Bizarre Rushing Stat

[Doomsday101]

Murray won't get a big payday. Rbs simply don't make that kind of money anymore.

But people are fooling themselves if they think that setting up your line for blocks is something all backs do easily.

Murray can also catch the ball and excels in pass blocking.

He's 26. If he stays healthy you sign him to a modest 3 or 4 year deal.

You say that yet that is not what I see when looking at the contracts of the top backs in the league. Without even talking about Peterson contract the rest of the top 10 are in the 9 to 7 mill range. This is not spin it is fact. While many here love to undervalue RB the teams around the league are not.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You say that yet that is not what I see when looking at the contracts of the top backs in the league. Without even talking about Peterson contract the rest of the top 10 are in the 9 to 7 mill range. This is not spin it is fact. While many here love to undervalue RB the teams around the league are not.

Peterson is an outlier. And no other rb checks in at 9 or 8 million.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I think this point becomes clear with our ability to run on 3rd and short. It doesn't matter if Murray was averaging 5yds a carry, we didn't have the ability to run it up the middle on 3rd and 2.

Today we can. I feel like the defense knows exactly what's coming but can't stop it.

Judging our offensive line on Murrays ypc over the years is meaningless.

Nail on the head here.

 

[Seven]

my goodness we've come a long way since arkin, holland, kowalski, nagy, and costa.

I just threw up a little............Thanks, Z.

 

[Stash]

I think this point becomes clear with our ability to run on 3rd and short. It doesn't matter if Murray was averaging 5yds a carry, we didn't have the ability to run it up the middle on 3rd and 2.

Today we can. I feel like the defense knows exactly what's coming but can't stop it.

Judging our offensive line on Murrays ypc over the years is meaningless.

I think what is 'meaningless' is this notion that we couldn't run the ball in short yardage.

The fact is that the former coordinators didn't even try.

If they tried and failed you might have a point, but that wasn't the case at all.

It's hard to fail at something when you don't even get to try.

 

[Longboysfan]

It will be interesting this week facing JJ Watt.
Free will have his hands full. I doubt they move him to the other side much.

 

[Noryb]

Throw out his big game against the Rams his rookie season and his average drops to 4.6 ypc. Just take away his 91 yard run against the Rams in that game and his average would have been 4.9 ypc for the season. Throw out his best game this season and his average is 5.1 ypc. He played in 13 games his rookie season starting out mostly as the back up. He averaged over 5 ypc in a game 5 times out of those 13. In those other 8 games he averaged less than 4 ypc. So far this season he has been over 5 ypc in 3 of the 4 games and zero times under 4 ypc.

The line this year looks more consistent and cohesive. And right now Murray is healthy. He has missed games and practices every year he has been in the league. It is difficult to stick to the run when the guy you are counting on to run the ball is missing time. And it hasn't just been Murray. Dallas has dealt with nicked up running backs a few times the last 3 seasons. At the end of 2011 they had to pick up Sammy Morris off the street as the 5th RB that season and give him significant playing time.

There is no doubt Murray needs to remain healthy but when healthy he is a very good back. Anything over 4 yds per carry for a RB is good, so 5.5 is elite. In 2011 Sammy Morris averaged 3.5 a carry, while Felix Jones averaged 4.5, throw out his longest run of 40 and he drops to 4.2 (not sure what the point of doing that is though). In 2012 our OL was garbage and he still managed to keep his yds per carry north of 4. On top of that he is elite when it comes to picking up blitzes.

Good RBs make the OL better. There is no wasted movement, they set up blocks, anticipate blocks, hit the hole quickly and break tackles. Emmitt Smith averaged over 5 yds a carry once in his illustrious career, Murray is well on his way to doing it 3 out of the 4 years he's been in the NFL. That's "Adrian Peterson" impressive!

 

[joseephuss]

There is no doubt Murray needs to remain healthy but when healthy he is a very good back. Anything over 4 yds per carry for a RB is good, so 5.5 is elite. In 2011 Sammy Morris averaged 3.5 a carry, while Felix Jones averaged 4.5, throw out his longest run of 40 and he drops to 4.2 (not sure what the point of doing that is though). In 2012 our OL was garbage and he still managed to keep his yds per carry north of 4. On top of that he is elite when it comes to picking up blitzes.

Good RBs make the OL better. There is no wasted movement, they set up blocks, anticipate blocks, hit the hole quickly and break tackles. Emmitt Smith averaged over 5 yds a carry once in his illustrious career, Murray is well on his way to doing it 3 out of the 4 years he's been in the NFL. That's "Adrian Peterson" impressive!

I'm not putting Murray down. He is good. The O-line is just better now than it was when Murray was a rookie. Felix Jones would look better behind this line as well. It is a good combination of Murray playing well and the O-line playing well. Much better than just two years ago and even last year.

 

[cowboyfan4lyfe]

Clearly no vision either.

I agree with all the above

 

[Stash]

I'm not putting Murray down. He is good. The O-line is just better now than it was when Murray was a rookie. Felix Jones would look better behind this line as well. It is a good combination of Murray playing well and the O-line playing well. Much better than just two years ago and even last year.

You take that back! That is just a cheap shot!

 

[cowboyfan4lyfe]

I still say let him walk at the end of the season and draft a RB..Achoo! Gurley

 

[joseephuss]

Yeah, this is my biggest gripe when the staunch defenders rally to the defense (yet again!) for why we didn't think to do this earlier.

They changed one piece on the offensive line - one! And now suddenly, we can run?

If that's the case, don't wait, enshrine Martin in the Hall of Fame today, because he has single-handedly changed the fates of an entire franchise.

What I would like to see - and will research myself if I can find the time - is the difference in the rushing attempts Murray and Co are getting this year compared to the first 4 games of last year.

I think they will prove enlightening to say the least.

They didn't just change once piece of the offensive line. They added one piece, but the line as a whole has changed. Tyron Smith has continued to develop. This is his third year as the left tackle. Remember he played right tackle during college and his first season in Dallas. He has benefitted with more experience. Frederick was a rookie last year. He is better now with more experience. Martin will probably be better next season after going through the learning curve of this year. Offensive lines also require some cohesion. Getting many of these guys to playing alongside each other over last season and into this year makes them all better. This line is no doubt better and more efficient than last season.

 

[pansophy]

that line and TE blocking has been great

This.

 

[Stash]

They didn't just change once piece of the offensive line. They added one piece, but the line as a whole has changed. Tyron Smith has continued to develop. This is his third year as the left tackle. Remember he played right tackle during college and his first season in Dallas. He has benefitted with more experience. Frederick was a rookie last year. He is better now with more experience. Martin will probably be better next season after going through the learning curve of this year. Offensive lines also require some cohesion. Getting many of these guys to playing alongside each other over last season and into this year makes them all better. This line is no doubt better and more efficient than last season.

Yeah, and DeMarco Murray suddenly learned how to run too, right?

Save the attempted excuses. The fact is that the team didn't run the ball nearly enough last year and there's no excuse for it and I'm not interested in seeing any excuses attempted.

I won't argue that there has been improvement, but none of it justifies the outright lack of attempting to run the football last year. Garrett has always needed a running game babysitter and he always will.

But I prefer to focus on the current positives and the fact that they are finally utilizing the strengths that they have and that they've had.

 

[CooterBrown]

Murray is a great running back. But, considering how many yards he has before contact, his total yardage might give a distorted view of his actual ability. With that said, his speed around the edges might be one reason that "Yards before contact" is as high as it is.

As far as his contract status goes, I'm not sure I'd spend a lot of money. Considering the relatively cheap position he plays, the franchise tag would save a lot of money. I understand that tag may be needed somewhere else, but I'd keep it as an option and wouldn't talk contract with Murray until the end of the season.

(and, on another note, If he can, or will, learn to pass protect, I think Ryan Williams' running style would suit this offense well.)

 

[CF74]

Exactly and that's what JG needs to be little more like.

I concur but Jerry initiated the power struggle between Garrett and Romo because he's an enabler, always has been since he ran Jimmy out of town, but let's digress here. Romo has been running the ball more because his physical issue forced him to lean more on Murray, but I suspect he will slowly start passing more, he can't help it he loves to pass....

 

[joseephuss]

Murray is a great running back. But, considering how many yards he has before contact, his total yardage might give a distorted view of his actual ability. With that said, his speed around the edges might be one reason that "Yards before contact" is as high as it is.

As far as his contract status goes, I'm not sure I'd spend a lot of money. Considering the relatively cheap position he plays, the franchise tag would save a lot of money. I understand that tag may be needed somewhere else, but I'd keep it as an option and wouldn't talk contract with Murray until the end of the season.

(and, on another note, If he can, or will, learn to pass protect, I think Ryan Williams' running style would suit this offense well.)

What are the stats for "yards after contact" for Murray? I couldn't find them with a quick google search.

 

[Noryb]

I'm not putting Murray down. He is good. The O-line is just better now than it was when Murray was a rookie. Felix Jones would look better behind this line as well. It is a good combination of Murray playing well and the O-line playing well. Much better than just two years ago and even last year.

Agree, I just hope we don't think we can bring the next back in and expect him to automatically average over five a carry while keeping Romo upright.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I'm not putting Murray down. He is good. The O-line is just better now than it was when Murray was a rookie. Felix Jones would look better behind this line as well. It is a good combination of Murray playing well and the O-line playing well. Much better than just two years ago and even last year.

Yes, agree and I think Ryan Williams will look good behind this line if anything happens to Murray. I think the running game will be consistent the entire season as long as we let it be.

 

[Stash]

Murray is a great running back. But, considering how many yards he has before contact, his total yardage might give a distorted view of his actual ability. With that said, his speed around the edges might be one reason that "Yards before contact" is as high as it is.

As far as his contract status goes, I'm not sure I'd spend a lot of money. Considering the relatively cheap position he plays, the franchise tag would save a lot of money. I understand that tag may be needed somewhere else, but I'd keep it as an option and wouldn't talk contract with Murray until the end of the season.

(and, on another note, If he can, or will, learn to pass protect, I think Ryan Williams' running style would suit this offense well.)

I think it's a very delicate situation to be in regarding Murray.

You have a potential MVP and league-leading rusher candidate, heading into the biggest contract of his career, at a position that the entire league is in the process of de-valuing.