Blame this player, blame that coach, blame ..

[Bob Sacamano]

Because you don't know if the result of any of the plays you mentioned would have been points on the board for Dallas. To say they would, is conjecture. But you do know the Cundiff field goal would have. It's really that simple.

thank you!! we know for a FACT that Cundiff left points on the field

 

[Reality]

Because you don't know if the result of any of the plays you mentioned would have been points on the board for Dallas. To say they would, is conjecture. But you do know the Cundiff field goal would have. It's really that simple.

So, you are telling me that on the play where Bledsoe thred the interception for a touchdown, the points would have been on the board for Denver even if he hadn't thrown it?

So, you are telling me that when Newman missed the interception where no one was between him and the end zone and given his speed, he would not have scored?

Oh, and thanks for proving my point that "we don't know the result of plays" if Denver had been behind by 3 points instead of tied late in the fourth quarter.

 

[Reality]

no, they weren't, despite that INT, and missed audible, Bledsoe did his job

So, by that logic, that must mean Jake Plummer didn't do his job since he didn't throw an interception for a touchdown and our cornerbacks didn't do their jobs because they didn't intercept a ball and run it back for a touchdown.

 

[Reality]

no, they weren't, despite that INT, and missed audible, Bledsoe did his job

That is like me saying, well despite his missed field goal, Cundiff did his job kicking off and kicking extra points. *rollseyes*

 

[Kilyin]

So, you are telling me that on the play where Bledsoe thred the interception for a touchdown, the points would have been on the board for Denver even if he hadn't thrown it?

No, I'm telling you that it happened, and that's what ultimately put Cundiff in a position to give Dallas the lead by 3. If Bledsoe hadn't thrown the interception, who's to say he'd have thrown the touchdown pass on the next possession?

So, you are telling me that when Newman missed the interception where no one was between him and the end zone and given his speed, he would not have scored?

Who knows? I don't have a crystal ball. Newman could have slipped and torn his ACL. Seriously, who knows? Terence Newman had an opportunity to make a play, the results of which we will never know because it didn't happen.

Oh, and thanks for proving my point that "we don't know the result of plays" if Denver had been behind by 3 points instead of tied late in the fourth quarter.

We know the only sure thing in this whole argument is that if Cundiff had made that chipshot, Dallas would have been in the lead for the first time and could have conceivably won the game. No?

You say Denver would have played differently if Cundiff had made the kick. I disagree. Even though the game was tied, Denver was still trying to get first downs and move the ball on offense. Denver didn't have the lead, so their offense should have been trying to score points, not run clock. Cundiff lost the game.

 

[Cowchips]

Motto:

Try not to ever leave the game on the leg of the kicker.

What are you talking about? New England just won 2 of 3 superbowls with the final play on the foot of A. Vinatieri. How about getting a reliable kicker like Vinitieri and the Cowboys would be 9-2 right now vs. 7-4.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So, by that logic, that must mean Jake Plummer didn't do his job since he didn't throw an interception for a touchdown and our cornerbacks didn't do their jobs because they didn't intercept a ball and run it back for a touchdown.

Yeah... It's always a good game for a QB when they toss 2 picks and have one returned for a TD.

 

[Reality]

No, I'm telling you that it happened, and that's what ultimately put Cundiff in a position to give Dallas the lead by 3. If Bledsoe hadn't thrown the interception, who's to say he'd have thrown the touchdown pass on the next possession?

LOL! It's so funny to me how you "try" to make 3 points missed by a kicker sound like a game killer yet 7 points given (as in EASY) to the other team by Bledsoe as "something that doesn't matter." That right there tells me this has nothing to do with assessing the game, but rather the lack of your ability to do so.

Who knows? I don't have a crystal ball. Newman could have slipped and torn his ACL. Seriously, who knows? Terence Newman had an opportunity to make a play, the results of which we will never know because it didn't happen.

Yeah, who knows what would have happened if Cundiff had made that kick. Denver would have been a LOT more aggressive, we definitely know that because all 32 teams would have been more aggressive when behind late in the game.

We know the only sure thing in this whole argument is that if Cundiff had made that chipshot, Dallas would have been in the lead for the first time and could have conceivably won the game. No?

I really love how you try to prove your argument by saying "We know" and then throw in the word "conceivably" .. yeah, we KNOW that we could have conceivably won the game had Bledsoe not thrown that interception for a touchdown or Newman had intercepted that ball and ran it back (he had an easy run for a TD had he caught it), or Glenn would have caught that 3rd and one pass. "We know" that we could have "conceivably" won the game from a lot of scenarios in the game.

You say Denver would have played differently if Cundiff had made the kick. I disagree. Even though the game was tied, Denver was still trying to get first downs and move the ball on offense. Denver didn't have the lead, so their offense should have been trying to score points, not run clock. Cundiff lost the game.

So, with less than two minutes (and only 2 timeouts) to play in a game, a team behind would punt the ball on 4th down KNOWING they would not get the ball back and they would lose? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight .. that right there tells me all I need to know about your "knowledge" of the game.

When teams are behind late in the game, they play with a completely different mindset. If you don't know this, then you honestly need to go watch a few more games before replying to this post. When teams are tied, they do not have to be aggressive and Denver wasn't .. they were throwing short passes, not aggressive passes down field .. because they know at worst, they will go to overtime. When they are behind, they know if they don't score, the game is over so they play like the game is on the line.

Keep arguing all you want on this but it is extremely narrow-minded to blame this game on one player, I don't care if Cundiff missed a 19 yard field goal with no time left on the clock or Bledsoe threw his interception that was run back for a touchdown with no time left on the clock. The game is 60 minutes long ..

I'm done with this topic because you apparently have an agenda against one player, where I'm a team fan and blame this loss on the team as a whole. There are too many plays that could have been made or avoided that would have changed the outcome of the game to where that kick would not have mattered.

-Reality

 

[Reality]

Yeah... It's always a good game for a QB when they toss 2 picks and have one returned for a TD.

I blame the Denver kicker .. if he had not made that kick, the Cowboys wouldn't have lost the game

/sarcasm off

-Reality

 

[DipChit]

You know, it's amazing to me how many people are so short sighted to think that Cundiff cost us the game. Of course, if Cundiff had made that field goal, the Cowboys would have been up 24-21 in the 4th quarter. However, if the Cowboys had the lead, the Broncos would have played completely different at the end of the game.

I agree. Hell, for all anyone knows, if he had made the kick, the Broncos would've run back the ensuing KO for a TD... or at least into FG range. But since he missed it, there was no KO return.

But are we saying a kicker can never be blamed no matter the circumstance because of all the other things that happen in a game? What if we were trailing by 2 with 3 seconds left in the game and he missed a 34 yarder? Then could we hang it on the kicker? Or no?

What if a kicker makes FG's of 19, 29, 39, 49 and 59 but you're still trailing 21-15 late in the game. If a defender picks up a fumble and runs it in to win 22-21, did the kicker win the game for you that day.. or did the defender?

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Right on Point Reality!

 

[Kilyin]

LOL! It's so funny to me how you "try" to make 3 points missed by a kicker sound like a game killer yet 7 points given (as in EASY) to the other team by Bledsoe as "something that doesn't matter." That right there tells me this has nothing to do with assessing the game, but rather the lack of your ability to do so.

It wouldn't have mattered if he made the FG.

Yeah, who knows what would have happened if Cundiff had made that kick. Denver would have been a LOT more aggressive, we definitely know that because all 32 teams would have been more aggressive when behind late in the game.

So you are telling me Denver wasn't already playing aggressively and trying to win the game? Uh, okay. Jake Plummer would have suddenly been able to do something against our defense? He sure as hell hadn't done anything up until that point. Neither had Dayne.

So, with less than two minutes (and only 2 timeouts) to play in a game, a team behind would punt the ball on 4th down KNOWING they would not get the ball back and they would lose? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight .. that right there tells me all I need to know about your "knowledge" of the game.

Now you put words in my mouth. I never said that. Whether they punted or not, Denver's offense was stagnant all day, until the OT which was a result of Cundiff missing the FG.

I'll deal with the facts, you deal with hypotheticals and fiction. I'm done arguing as well.