Blatant Coaching Errors

[cowboyjoe]

D: Dumb
U: Undisciplined Players
M: Management to blame too for allowing this to go on and on
B: Bone headed plays from coaches and players

Enough said Zoners?

:bang2:

 

[5Stars]

Not kicking the field goal bothered me more than anything else, besides getting the doors blown off.

Craig

I'm not sure what coach said it, maybe JJ, maybe someone else...but from what I remember, you never waste an opportunity to put points on the board when you can put points on the board.

Now, on the flipside of that, I think it was either Aikman or Steve Young that said that kicking field goals is just one more step to losing a game.

I have no idea what would have happened, but I would have thought yoi get points anyway you can get them if the chance is there.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Just because "everyone knows" and it's conventional wisdom doesn't make it right.

Adam already covered the "going for 2" stuff - that was the right call, IMHO. And I would argue that going for the TD instead of the FG was the right call too, that close to the end zone. I don't care at all what Mike Tirico thinks - my guess is that the odds favor going for it there, because you can't count on getting down that close twice more.

 

[5Stars]

Just because "everyone knows" and it's conventional wisdom doesn't make it right.

Adam already covered the "going for 2" stuff - that was the right call, IMHO. And I would argue that going for the TD instead of the FG was the right call too, that close to the end zone. I don't care at all what Mike Tirico thinks - my guess is that the odds favor going for it there, because you can't count on getting down that close twice more.

That is a good point...but, they missed, when they could have had at least 3 more on the board.

Also, missing getting points is just going to fire the other team up, and discourage the team trying to get a TD.

But, I do see your point...

 

[Apollo Creed]

No, that is not correct.

When it's late in the game, you go for two the first time you have a chance. You HAVE to know whether you were successful in converting, because you can manage the rest of the game.

If you fail to convert in the middle of the fourth quarter, you know you need two more touchdowns, and you won't waste one of your possessions kicking a field goal.

If you kick the PAT, kick a field goal on your next possession to pull within eight, then fail to convert after scoring a TD in the final seconds, it's probably too late to get yet another possession. You essentially wasted a possession kicking a field goal, and you'll probably lose because of it.

I don't think its that black and white.

You want your team fighting till the very last moment, which if things go correctly - will most likely be the 2 point conversion to tie the game.

If you go for 2 early, and they fail to get it - even if you understand what you have to do strategically for the rest of the game, the players will quit playing. Especially knowing they are down 12.

I understand where you're coming from, but its all relative. Certain coaches have different 2 point conversion charts. Last night I felt they needed to take the PAT and wait until the last opportunity to try for 2. Especially with a team full of quitters like we've been strolling onto the field this year.

 

[Kevinicus]

It is black and white. You need 3 scores either way. You need to know as soon as possible what kind of scores it's going to take.

 

[Apollo Creed]

It is black and white. You need 3 scores either way. You need to know as soon as possible what kind of scores it's going to take.

You also don't need to completely concede your teams chances. If you don't get it, you're basically out of the game.

But its also a moot point because instead of taking 3 points we went for it on 4th down, yet another colossally ignorant coaching decision.

 

[Kevinicus]

You also don't need to completely concede your teams chances. If you don't get it, you're basically out of the game.

But its also a moot point because instead of taking 3 points we went for it on 4th down, yet another colossally ignorant coaching decision.

Why are you out of the game? You still need 2 more scores either way. And if you think that means you're out of the game then so what? You have to get those points somehow. Putting it off til the end has no advantage at all, and only gives you less of a chance if you don't make it.

 

[links18]

Having a rookie undrafted FA fullback responsible for protecting your franchise QB.

Congratulating yourself for drafting a touchback kicker who was out kick-offed by the Giants regular kicker all night.

 

[AdamJT13]

If you go for 2 early, and they fail to get it - even if you understand what you have to do strategically for the rest of the game, the players will quit playing. Especially knowing they are down 12.

If your players quit playing when they're down by 12, you have MUCH bigger concerns than whether to go for two after a touchdown.

 

[5Stars]

If your players quit playing when they're down by 12, you have MUCH bigger concerns than whether to go for two after a touchdown.

That is the truth, right there.

:starspin

 

[links18]

If your players quit playing when they're down by 12, you have MUCH bigger concerns than whether to go for two after a touchdown.

Heck, they quit playing up 20-7.

 

[craig71]

I'm not sure what coach said it, maybe JJ, maybe someone else...but from what I remember, you never waste an opportunity to put points on the board when you can put points on the board.

Depends on the situation. In that particular case I would have taken the FG without hesitation and cut the lead to 15.

Now, on the flipside of that, I think it was either Aikman or Steve Young that said that kicking field goals is just one more step to losing a game.

They are right, when you start to settle for Fg's instead of TD's you are inviting the other team to beat you. How many games have you watched a team move the ball at will only to cap off the drive with a FG? How many times has that team lost because the opposition scored TD's instead of settling for FG's?

I have no idea what would have happened, but I would have thought yoi get points anyway you can get them if the chance is there.

You are right. In that situation you have to take the points because it cuts the game down from a three possession game to two. Point is, you have to have a FG to have a chance to tie the game being down 18. Take the FG and then commit to having to score some TD's to follow it up with.

Craig