Blatant pick plays

[Nova]

The picks are annoying. Denver has been doing them this entire year. But I'll be honest-- I'd be more okay with them if our offense could learn to do them.

But in reality, we're the Cowboys and we'd get flagged every time.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The picks are annoying. Denver has been doing them this entire year. But I'll be honest-- I'd be more okay with them if our offense could learn to do them.

But in reality, we're the Cowboys and we'd get flagged every time.

Well I was about to say i'd love if we could do it but I have a feeling if we do it that's a penalty. I'm not gonna blame the refs on the loss but its clear they allow the Bronco's play under different rules than everyone else.

 

[jterrell]

Saw a really ridiculous example of this in the game Sunday and was shocked it wasn't called.

5 or 6 yards off the LOS and the WR runs his slant but turns sidelines to deliver a basic NBA pick and free the WR.
It was crazy.
That's never been legal on any level of football.
You've always at least had to make it look like a real route you are running.

 

[Doomsay]

Blasting receivers at the LOS would help in the more obvious pick formations.

It would help in a lot of scenarios actually.

 

[31smackdown]

Picks and downfield blocking before receptions were made are two things I noticed during that game. I think Julius Thomas had a couple of catches where receivers were already engaged in blocks prior to the reception. Might have just been perfect timing, but I don't think so.

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

I've noticed this as well. He doesn't do any kind of pushing motion wit his arms. He has his arms extended to keep defenders out of his space because he has an incredible reach advantage (longer arms than Megatron). But he doesn't Michael Irvin/Randy Moss push them out of the way when the ball is in the air.

I do believe Terrance helped himself to a push off, too.

Pushing off from what I can tell what the refs call has to do with full extension of the arm. Also if it is subtle it never gets called. But that push by broncos defender in back of endzone WHILE ball was in the air definitely warranted a flag.

 

[Doomsday101]

There is a difference between a pick play and what they call a rub. I did not see anything illegal about what Denver WR were doing.

 

[renny]

I too believe the games are intentionally called against the Cowboys. When the Broncos tied the score at 48, a good kickoff return was negated by a holding call on Allen but CBS didn't show the replay. Every time the Cowboys start to gain momentum it seems some type of penalty is called to stop it.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Instead of complaining about it...how about we do it ourselves. Especially when we are down in the redzone and our coaching is struggling to figure out how to get the ball in from 3 yards out!!!!

Yea, this is what I dont get. If the refs say "we dont call that if its within 2 yards of the LOL"....................THEN WHY THE HELL ARE WE NOT DOING IT?????


Its like in a basketball game. Once you see how the crew is going to call the game you then adjust. Some crews call every bit of contact that there is and some crews let the guys play and only blatant contact in the paint is called. However the refs decide to call it...............YOU ADJUST AND PLAY ACCORDINGLY.


This is really not rocket science here......................you would think a head coach from an Ivy League school could figure this out................geez.

 

[BAT]

I too believe the games are intentionally called against the Cowboys. When the Broncos tied the score at 48, a good kickoff return was negated by a holding call on Allen but CBS didn't show the replay. Every time the Cowboys start to gain momentum it seems some type of penalty is called to stop it.

There was a replay. And it was a legit hold by Allen. The bum.

 

[Doomsay]

Just watched that Thomas goal-line pitch TD on NFLN. Sims was horse-collared and pulled backwards right in the hole. Insanely blatant and seen by all. Hopefully Karma will catch up the Broncos, they cheat like hell.

 

[CaptainCreed]

I posted a thread earlier where Bob Sturm breaks down Peyton's pick plays and it contained several gifs of plays showing Denver using picks and how effective the plays turned out.

Here's the link:
http://sturminator.blogspot.com/2013/10/xs-and-os-denver-pick-plays.html?m=1

 

[gimmesix]

You could call that stuff on every elite receiver in the game if you are going to call it on Dez.

And, not for nothing, I think he has been called for offensive PI twice this year.

I think Dez needs to be a little more subtle with it. He keeps sending defenders flying back away from him, he's going to get called for it, just like the NFL eventually went after Irvin's style of play.

 

[Cebrin]

I've noticed this as well. He doesn't do any kind of pushing motion wit his arms. He has his arms extended to keep defenders out of his space because he has an incredible reach advantage (longer arms than Megatron). But he doesn't Michael Irvin/Randy Moss push them out of the way when the ball is in the air.

Love the reference there haha. Trust me, Irvin has shown the dude a thing or two.

 

[Plankton]

First of all, I am indifferent to anybody who wants to claim I'm blaming the refs for losing the game. In fact, I'm accepting that as much as I'm accepting those same people wanting us to throw away a 2nd round pick on Josh Gordon and ignore our other problems.

Just wanting a point of clarity on something.

I don't do a lot of complete analysis of the games, but one thing I did notice that shouldn't be held against our defenders is the blatant picks thrown by WRs from Denver.

Late in the game, the jump ball thrown to Demaryius Thomas should have been a penalty. The other WR completely hurled his backside at Carr, and actually knocked him back for Thomas to make that catch.

Saw it all day on crossing routes and pretty much any time Denver needed 4-5 yards for a first down.

Like I said, I didn't analyze whether we do it or not, but I just don't understand why this isn't called and penalized.

Once the West Coast Offense came into vogue, the pick play essentially became leglalized. Hell, it's basically the core of that offense.

Every team runs versions of picks (though people try to call them "rub routes", as if that changes anything).

 

[big dog cowboy]

Honestly we shouldn't be complaining about offensive PI since Dez gets a nice little pushoff every time he's in the endzone and never gets called.

They used to say the same thing about Michael Irvin.

 

[sbark]

....and the announcers were bragging up Manning and the Denver Defense that they are putting up those kind of numbers and points and haven't even gone all that deep into their playbook....stated they haven't even had to use pik plays or bunch formations.......they stated in the 2nd or 3rd qtr

 

[Deep_South]

The picks are annoying. Denver has been doing them this entire year. But I'll be honest-- I'd be more okay with them if our offense could learn to do them.

But in reality, we're the Cowboys and we'd get flagged every time.

We've tried this in recent years. I recall Witten getting a flag thrown on him several times for "illegal pick".