Bledsoe 2002-2005 first half vs. second half of season

[Portland Fanatic]

OK...formatting is a pain, so I hope it makes sense.

I wanted to see if there was much truth in the numbers about Bledsoe tanking in the second half of the season for the previous few years...well...not feeling to great about what I see.

You can do with this what you want...I'm not calling Drew out or any of that, just trying to see if what has been posted has any validity...to my surprise it kinda does.

I hope Drew can change history, but he's not off to a good start.

Stats below are from 2002-2005...looking at first half of season numbers comparing to second half numbers...broke out by season, then a summary of all 2002-05 at the bottom.

With the exception of 2004...his numbers take a horrible dip in the second half of the season. Even in 2004 where it was not to bad...his rating still dropped...even though he went 6-2.

Have fun with it....don't hammer me...just trying to put it out there. IMO he's the best QB we've had in years...since Troy, but these numbers do concern me and do not lie!

 Drew Bledsoe stats since 2002-05
 
Year	 W/L Comp% QBRate% TD Pic Sac Fum
2002 1st Half 5-3 63% [b]98%[/b]16 5 30 4
2002 2nd Half 3-5 59% [b]75%[/b] 8 10 24 7
2003 1st Half 4-4 62% [b]78%[/b] 6 8 23 7
2003 2nd Half 2-6 54% [b]68%[/b] 5 4 26 8
2004 1st Half 3-5 56% [b]81%[/b] 9 7 24 4
2004 2nd Half 6-2 56% [b]75%[/b] 11 9 14 5
2005 1st Half 5-3 64% [b]97%[/b] 13 6 20 10
2005 2nd Half 2-2 56% [b]67%[/b] 4 5 8 3
 
Summary 2002-2005
		 W/L Comp% QBRate% TD Pic Sac Fum
1st Half of season 17-15 61% [b]89%[/b] 44 26 97 25
2nd Half of season 13-15 56% [b]71%[/b] 28 28 72 23

 

[Jimz31]

I wonder about injuries on the o-line from the first half to the second half as well.

By the numbers that you post, it is obvious that his output drops though.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I've tried to explain my opinions on the cause of this in another thread but I'll do it again.

First off, Bledsoe's a poor bad weather QB. Tight grips and strong arms don't mix with rain and snow.

Secondly, there are only so many ways to protect one 3x3 yard area on the field. As defenses have more tape to study on a team's various protection schemes and tendencies, the more success they have in getting to that spot in a shorter amount of time.


Pressure up, Bledsoe's success down.

 

[jay cee]

Good work on putting that together Portland Fan.......but I for one really wish you hadn't.

Somebody find me a depressed smiley.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Good work on putting that together Portland Fan.......but I for one really wish you hadn't.

Somebody find me a depressed smiley.

No kidding...I thought about it before I posted it, but then figured what the heck...at least it provides some facts from NFL.com for people to stew on.

I'm mixed on it all the way around. He's easily the best QB we've had since Troy, but these stats make me uneasy....

 

[big_neil]

But do note:

1994: 1st half: 3-5
1994: 2nd half: 7-1

1996: 1st half: 5-3
1996: 2nd half 6-2

1997: 1st half 5-3
1997: 2nd half 5-3

2004: 1st half: 3-5
2004: 2nd half 6-2

 

[big_neil]

Oh and:

1993: 1st 3/4: 1-11
1993: last 1/4f: 4-0

 

[big_neil]

I appreciate these stats, but could you show some stats of NFL great QBs who were consistently better in the 2nd half?

Historically, QBs tail off in the 2nd reason for several reasons:

1) Colder weather
2) Injuries to their team
3) Injuries to their QB himself

Why would it get easier?

 

[StanleySpadowski]

But do note:

1994: 1st half: 3-5
1994: 2nd half: 7-1

1996: 1st half: 5-3
1996: 2nd half 6-2

1997: 1st half 5-3
1997: 2nd half 5-3

2004: 1st half: 3-5
2004: 2nd half 6-2

Are you trying to tell us that4 times in his 12 seasons his team's had a better record in the second half?????


I know your trying to defend the object of your affection, but that's even scarier than Portland's stats.

 

[Tripod]

No kidding...I thought about it before I posted it, but then figured what the heck...at least it provides some facts from NFL.com for people to stew on.

I'm mixed on it all the way around. He's easily the best QB we've had since Troy, but these stats make me uneasy....

Cherry picking stats from a 12 year career. Bledsoe came to a 3-13 team in 2002 and helped them get to 8-8. He did it by throwing for 4300 yards and breaking 11 Bills offensive records. He still holds them all. He was voted to the Pro Bowl. Were his stats worse in the second half? I guess so. Multiply them by 2 and most QBs would be happy with that.

In 2003 he they traded away Price (1100yd #2 receiver), Reimersma a solid tight end, and Larry Centers maybe the best fullback safety valve to play in the AFC, and loaded up on D with some great talent. They said go get em
Drew but his 1400 yard RB Travis Henry was hurt for 4.5 games, Eric Moulds sat for 5 games and played with alligator arms the rest of the way. It was a badly coached and managed year all around. Drew was an average QB most of the year with zero weapons.

Last year the Bills started 0-4 before McGahee was given the RB job. The team and Drew finished 9-3. As Ws and Ls go a very strong second half.

This obsession with Bledsoe's second halves may have some validity in 3 of his 12 years. But overall? Not at all. Where do you think Favre falls in this?
Manning, Brunell, Vick... The strength of schedule and where you play
(New England, Buffalo) have an impact on how the weather effects your TEAM in the late season.

Let's look at the middle 5 games, the odd numbered games, the games against teams with animals on their helmets.

Bledsoe will play better in the last 4 games (and the playoffs) if the o line blocks a little better for the run and the pass. Its that simple and has little or nothing to do with the calendar.

 

[big_neil]

Yes, even in the 4 season stretch of 2002-2005:

1) In 2003 he had twice as many ints in the 1st half as the 2nd
2) In 2004 he had twice as many wins in the 2nd half as the 1st
3) In 2005 he started 2-2, and in the 2nd half started 2-2

 

[bbgun]

Alarming Yahoo blurb:

The playoff run sinks with Drew Bledsoe's mistakes. He's committed 17 of Dallas' 21 turnovers this season, and those errors have resulted in 54 points for opponents.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Cherry picking stats from a 12 year career. Bledsoe came to a 3-13 team in 2002 and helped them get to 8-8. He did it by throwing for 4300 yards and breaking 11 Bills offensive records. He still holds them all. He was voted to the Pro Bowl. Were his stats worse in the second half? I guess so. Multiply them by 2 and most QBs would be happy with that.

In 2003 he they traded away Price (1100yd #2 receiver), Reimersma a solid tight end, and Larry Centers maybe the best fullback safety valve to play in the AFC, and loaded up on D with some great talent. They said go get em
Drew but his 1400 yard RB Travis Henry was hurt for 4.5 games, Eric Moulds sat for 5 games and played with alligator arms the rest of the way. It was a badly coached and managed year all around. Drew was an average QB most of the year with zero weapons.

Last year the Bills started 0-4 before McGahee was given the RB job. The team and Drew finished 9-3. As Ws and Ls go a very strong second half.

This obsession with Bledsoe's second halves may have some validity in 3 of his 12 years. But overall? Not at all. Where do you think Favre falls in this?
Manning, Brunell, Vick... The strength of schedule and where you play
(New England, Buffalo) have an impact on how the weather effects your TEAM in the late season.

Let's look at the middle 5 games, the odd numbered games, the games against teams with animals on their helmets.

Bledsoe will play better in the last 4 games (and the playoffs) if the o line blocks a little better for the run and the pass. Its that simple and has little or nothing to do with the calendar.

No intention of cherry picking at all...simply took the last 4 years...reason is because those are the numbers folks have been talking about the most.

Like I said...I'm not trying to knock Drew...simply looking into what some have been talking about wanting to see for myself.

Not a Drew hater..I hope he flat out lights it up the next four games...he is what we have and the best that was available for us.

I've stated myself that given time he can light up a defense better then anyone....that said I truely believe we have oline issues that have a lot to do with what is going on this year. the Flo loss was huge in my opinion! the offense has change a lot since the day he went down.

 

[AdamJT13]

Alarming Yahoo blurb:

The playoff run sinks with Drew Bledsoe's mistakes. He's committed 17 of Dallas' 21 turnovers this season, and those errors have resulted in 54 points for opponents.

How is that alarming? Quarterbacks commit the majority of the turnovers, and any quarterback who has taken every snap (or almost every snap) is going to be responsible for the majority of his team's turnovers. Jake Delhomme, for example, has the exact same ratio -- he has committed 17 of the Panthers' 21 turnovers.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

big_neil....serious question...are you related to Drew? Family memeber, cousin, etc...?

I've been on this board since it's incepetion...and the one before it and have not seen anyone defend or throw positive stats towards any player like you have....makes be believe you may be related or something.

Nors being the only exception with ty Law of course

 

[bbgun]

How is that alarming? Quarterbacks commit the majority of the turnovers

True, but he has a lot of them, with four games to go. Take a sack if you must, but don't fumble. They're not just turnovers; they're killer turnovers: the int in Seattle; the boneheaded int before the half in Philly; the int by Champ Bailey; etc.

and any quarterback who has taken every snap (or almost every snap) is going to be responsible for the majority of his team's turnovers.

That's another Bled problem: taking the snap. Throw AJ and Gurode under the bus if you wish, but Bled ain't blameless.

Jake Delhomme, for example, has the exact same ratio -- he has committed 17 of the Panthers' 21 turnovers.

Cue Randy Galloway's "Great Jake" music.

 

[CowboyExpress]

Some people just got way too much time on their hands. I like him better then anything we've had since Aikman retired or anything I see coming this way in the near future, that's all I need to know. Oh, and he's leading the NFC QB's in Pro Bowl votes, must be doing something right. I mean I realize every non-Cowboy fan, coach and player who voted on this are nothing but utter retards, but come on give them some credit. By some of you, you would have us believe the world just freaking hated us and was only putting Bledsoe in the Pro Bowl to make a fool of us (The Cowboys).

Like it or not, Bledsoe is our Field General at the moment. He's almost got us to the playoffs. And many of those wins to get us to this point have been from late game comebacks Bledsoe orchastrated. The guy deserves some respect. At very least wait until the offseason to crucify him for trying.

It's not out of the question either; but what fools some would look like if in 7 weeks he's the one holding the Lombardi Trophy up over his head. But no, go ahead, continue to not root for us and inform me why that will never happen, please?

 

[kartr]

OK...formatting is a pain, so I hope it makes sense.

I wanted to see if there was much truth in the numbers about Bledsoe tanking in the second half of the season for the previous few years...well...not feeling to great about what I see.

You can do with this what you want...I'm not calling Drew out or any of that, just trying to see if what has been posted has any validity...to my surprise it kinda does.

I hope Drew can change history, but he's not off to a good start.

Stats below are from 2002-2005...looking at first half of season numbers comparing to second half numbers...broke out by season, then a summary of all 2002-05 at the bottom.

With the exception of 2004...his numbers take a horrible dip in the second half of the season. Even in 2004 where it was not to bad...his rating still dropped...even though he went 6-2.

Have fun with it....don't hammer me...just trying to put it out there. IMO he's the best QB we've had in years...since Troy, but these numbers do concern me and do not lie!

 Drew Bledsoe stats since 2002-05
 
Year	 W/L Comp% QBRate% TD Pic Sac Fum
2002 1st Half 5-3 63% [b]98%[/b]16 5 30 4
2002 2nd Half 3-5 59% [b]75%[/b] 8 10 24 7
2003 1st Half 4-4 62% [b]78%[/b] 6 8 23 7
2003 2nd Half 2-6 54% [b]68%[/b] 5 4 26 8
2004 1st Half 3-5 56% [b]81%[/b] 9 7 24 4
2004 2nd Half 6-2 56% [b]75%[/b] 11 9 14 5
2005 1st Half 5-3 64% [b]97%[/b] 13 6 20 10
2005 2nd Half 2-2 56% [b]67%[/b] 4 5 8 3
 
Summary 2002-2005
		 W/L Comp% QBRate% TD Pic Sac Fum
1st Half of season 17-15 61% [b]89%[/b] 44 26 97 25
2nd Half of season 13-15 56% [b]71%[/b] 28 28 72 23

The numbers you quote reflect what I've been saying all along. I looked up his numbers last year when he was still with Buffalo. But notice that his won lost record was just 2 more wins than losses even when his numbers looked good and if not for Philly blowing the game up there, we would be 6-6, which makes him a .500 qb as is reflected by his career winning percentage. Your numbers also show that he fumbles a lot whether his qb rating is good or not and he gets sacked a lot either way and throws a lot picks either way too. I don't see anything here that can offer any hope that he'll improve. When I brought up his poor numbers, I was accused of making things up. One more point. His second half numbers from last year were better, but only because Buffalo's second half schedule was extremely soft(SF,Cleveland,etc.). Don't take my word for it, check their second half schedule yourself.

 

[Homerun Trot]

The numbers you quote reflect what I've been saying all along. I looked up his numbers last year when he was still with Buffalo. But notice that his won lost record was just 2 more wins than losses even when his numbers looked good and if not for Philly blowing the game up there, we would be 6-6, which makes him a .500 qb as is reflected by his career winning percentage. Your numbers also show that he fumbles a lot whether his qb rating is good or not and he gets sacked a lot either way and throws a lot picks either way too. I don't see anything here that can offer any hope that he'll improve. When I brought up his poor numbers, I was accused of making things up. One more point. His second half numbers from last year were better, but only because Buffalo's second half schedule was extremely soft(SF,Cleveland,etc.). Don't take my word for it, check their second half schedule yourself.

Hey Quincy is not coming back, not to the Cowboys, not even to the NFL, let it go.

 

[kartr]

I appreciate these stats, but could you show some stats of NFL great QBs who were consistently better in the 2nd half?

Historically, QBs tail off in the 2nd reason for several reasons:

1) Colder weather
2) Injuries to their team
3) Injuries to their QB himself

Why would it get easier?

No one gave our previous two starters the same excuse. They were accused of being what was holding this team back and yet, the supposedly best qb we've had since Aikman is doing the same thing, but with a better supporting cast. Go figure.