Bledsoe 2002-2005 first half vs. second half of season

[kartr]

But do note:

1994: 1st half: 3-5
1994: 2nd half: 7-1

1996: 1st half: 5-3
1996: 2nd half 6-2

1997: 1st half 5-3
1997: 2nd half 5-3

2004: 1st half: 3-5
2004: 2nd half 6-2

YOu can't just look at the overall record. You have to look at who the teams were that the qb played against and how he played in those games. Some of Buffalo's blowout wins were attributable to the defense(number 2), cause he had poor stats in several despite the record. Ask your self this , was it Manning's great play that won the game for the Giants. Is it Kyle Ortons' great play that's causing the Bears to win. No to both questions. Contrast these questions about 2003.:
16-0 lost to @Tampa - Carter was 15-25 for 140 yards and no running game

12-0 lost to @Pats - Carter completed 60% of his passes for 210 yards with no running game, while Brady completed 47% of his passes for 212 yards

27-13 lost to Atlanta Carter completed 60% of his passes for 268 yards and 1 td and just one long td run

Second half lost @Philly, Carter only threw for 93 yards, but completed 60% of his passes and 1 td and no running game, and really, we hardly had the ball because our defense totally collapsed in the second half.

lost to the Dolphins Carter threw for 288 yards and I believe 2 tds and no running game

13-7 loss at @Saints Carter threw for 290 yards and 1 td and no running game

In summary, In those losses Carter had better qb ratings than what Bledsoe had Sunday and with a worser supporting cast. I hope you're satisfied with the upgrade we have now.

 

[kartr]

Cherry picking stats from a 12 year career. Bledsoe came to a 3-13 team in 2002 and helped them get to 8-8. He did it by throwing for 4300 yards and breaking 11 Bills offensive records. He still holds them all. He was voted to the Pro Bowl. Were his stats worse in the second half? I guess so. Multiply them by 2 and most QBs would be happy with that.

In 2003 he they traded away Price (1100yd #2 receiver), Reimersma a solid tight end, and Larry Centers maybe the best fullback safety valve to play in the AFC, and loaded up on D with some great talent. They said go get em
Drew but his 1400 yard RB Travis Henry was hurt for 4.5 games, Eric Moulds sat for 5 games and played with alligator arms the rest of the way. It was a badly coached and managed year all around. Drew was an average QB most of the year with zero weapons.

Last year the Bills started 0-4 before McGahee was given the RB job. The team and Drew finished 9-3. As Ws and Ls go a very strong second half.

This obsession with Bledsoe's second halves may have some validity in 3 of his 12 years. But overall? Not at all. Where do you think Favre falls in this?
Manning, Brunell, Vick... The strength of schedule and where you play
(New England, Buffalo) have an impact on how the weather effects your TEAM in the late season.

Let's look at the middle 5 games, the odd numbered games, the games against teams with animals on their helmets.

Bledsoe will play better in the last 4 games (and the playoffs) if the o line blocks a little better for the run and the pass. Its that simple and has little or nothing to do with the calendar.

If and if and if. Why does if only the line blocked better for Bledsoe and not the other qb's we've had. You're right about one thing, it's nothing to do with the calender, it's the schedule, he puts up big numbers against soft defenses and plays like a rook against tough defenses. Its that simple.

 

[kartr]

Alarming Yahoo blurb:

The playoff run sinks with Drew Bledsoe's mistakes. He's committed 17 of Dallas' 21 turnovers this season, and those errors have resulted in 54 points for opponents.

That's what I'm talking about.

 

[InmanRoshi]

So, you're telling me a QB playing in Buffalo has more success throwing the ball in September and October than he does in November and December?

This is absolutely shocking. I need to go sit down.

 

[kartr]

How is that alarming? Quarterbacks commit the majority of the turnovers, and any quarterback who has taken every snap (or almost every snap) is going to be responsible for the majority of his team's turnovers. Jake Delhomme, for example, has the exact same ratio -- he has committed 17 of the Panthers' 21 turnovers.

Carters' turnovers with a lesser supporting cast two years ago seemed to cause a lot of alarm, where was your understanding then.

 

[kartr]

Some people just got way too much time on their hands. I like him better then anything we've had since Aikman retired or anything I see coming this way in the near future, that's all I need to know. Oh, and he's leading the NFC QB's in Pro Bowl votes, must be doing something right. I mean I realize every non-Cowboy fan, coach and player who voted on this are nothing but utter retards, but come on give them some credit. By some of you, you would have us believe the world just freaking hated us and was only putting Bledsoe in the Pro Bowl to make a fool of us (The Cowboys).

Like it or not, Bledsoe is our Field General at the moment. He's almost got us to the playoffs. And many of those wins to get us to this point have been from late game comebacks Bledsoe orchastrated. The guy deserves some respect. At very least wait until the offseason to crucify him for trying.

It's not out of the question either; but what fools some would look like if in 7 weeks he's the one holding the Lombardi Trophy up over his head. But no, go ahead, continue to not root for us and inform me why that will never happen, please?

Lombardi Trophy!!! What are you smoking?

 

[kartr]

Hey Quincy is not coming back, not to the Cowboys, not even to the NFL, let it go.

Quincy has nothing to do with Bledsoe's Blunders. But the bottom line is we went to the playoffs with Quincy and so did the Jets and without him neither team is going anywhere.

 

[wileedog]

Carters' turnovers with a lesser supporting cast two years ago seemed to cause a lot of alarm, where was your understanding then.

Who cares?

 

[kartr]

So, you're telling me a QB playing in Buffalo has more success throwing the ball in September and October than he does in November and December?

This is absolutely shocking. I need to go sit down.

Didn't Bledsoe grow up in a cold weather state and play in college in a cold weather state and played professionly in two cold weather states. The excuses never end.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Didn't Bledsoe grow up in a cold weather state and play in college in a cold weather state and played professionly in two cold weather states. The excuses never end.

Two things are commen with Cowboy QBs. One is that they will always be ragged on. The other is that there will always be excuses for them. It happens with all of them and I mean ALL OF THEM.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Didn't Bledsoe grow up in a cold weather state and play in college in a cold weather state and played professionly in two cold weather states. The excuses never end.

Let's come to a quick understanding and get it over with.

A) I think you're a joke, and I don't take you seriously.

c) The fact that you've brought up Quincy YET AGAIN means you're going on my ignore list.

d) Please don't ever respond to anything I post, and I'll do likewise.

 

[AdamJT13]

Carters' turnovers with a lesser supporting cast two years ago seemed to cause a lot of alarm, where was your understanding then.

If anyone had posted an the stat that Carter had 24 of our 29 turnovers in 2003 and claimed it was "alarming," I would have had the exact same reply -- it's not alarming that the quarterback has the majority of the team's turnovers. It's perfectly normal.

 

[AdamJT13]

True, but he has a lot of them, with four games to go.

We're right in the middle of the league for turnovers committed, so I wouldn't consider it "a lot." I'd consider it average.

 

[joseephuss]

The numbers you quote reflect what I've been saying all along. I looked up his numbers last year when he was still with Buffalo. But notice that his won lost record was just 2 more wins than losses even when his numbers looked good and if not for Philly blowing the game up there, we would be 6-6, which makes him a .500 qb as is reflected by his career winning percentage. Your numbers also show that he fumbles a lot whether his qb rating is good or not and he gets sacked a lot either way and throws a lot picks either way too. I don't see anything here that can offer any hope that he'll improve. When I brought up his poor numbers, I was accused of making things up. One more point. His second half numbers from last year were better, but only because Buffalo's second half schedule was extremely soft(SF,Cleveland,etc.). Don't take my word for it, check their second half schedule yourself.

BS. It wasn't those comments that people claimed you were making things up. It was the comments about Quincy Carter that were questionable.

 

[joseephuss]

YOu can't just look at the overall record. You have to look at who the teams were that the qb played against and how he played in those games. Some of Buffalo's blowout wins were attributable to the defense(number 2), cause he had poor stats in several despite the record. Ask your self this , was it Manning's great play that won the game for the Giants. Is it Kyle Ortons' great play that's causing the Bears to win. No to both questions. Contrast these questions about 2003.:
16-0 lost to @Tampa - Carter was 15-25 for 140 yards and no running game

12-0 lost to @Pats - Carter completed 60% of his passes for 210 yards with no running game, while Brady completed 47% of his passes for 212 yards

27-13 lost to Atlanta Carter completed 60% of his passes for 268 yards and 1 td and just one long td run

Second half lost @Philly, Carter only threw for 93 yards, but completed 60% of his passes and 1 td and no running game, and really, we hardly had the ball because our defense totally collapsed in the second half.

lost to the Dolphins Carter threw for 288 yards and I believe 2 tds and no running game

13-7 loss at @Saints Carter threw for 290 yards and 1 td and no running game

In summary, In those losses Carter had better qb ratings than what Bledsoe had Sunday and with a worser supporting cast. I hope you're satisfied with the upgrade we have now.

Why are you leaving out the turnovers in these games?

QC threw 2 against Tampa.

QC threw 3 against the Pats.

QC threw 1 pick against Atlanta and had a fumble.

Quincy threw two bad interceptions against Philly. That is what led to the defensive meltdown. He gave the ball up deep in Dallas territory.

QC threw 3 against Miami.

QC threw 3 against the Saints.

You blame Bledsoe for every turnover, but not Quincy. Seems hypocritical to me. Several of the interceptions that Quincy threw in those games came at critical times. They prevented Dallas from scoring or set up the opposing teams in scoring position. You are right in one aspect. You have to look at how the QB played in those games. You can't just look at the stats especially if you are going to ignore the turnovers to make your point. It is laughable.

You also keep talking about Quincy having less talent. I don't think there is as much a difference as we all hoped there would be. The offensive line is playing worse now than it did in 2003. Injuries and players not meeting expectations are the reason. I think Julius and Marion are easily better than anything on that 2003 team, but there are fewer holes to run through. There were holes for Hambrick. He just couldn't hit them.

I also think Bryant and Galloway are talented receivers. Bryant is having a decent year and Galloway is playing at a pro bowl level. Most people think they are talented. It wasn't about talent with them, it was about how they fit in Dallas.

If you hate Dallas so much for releasing Quincy, then why do you watch the games? Or maybe if you love Quincy so much, why don't you find him and help him get through his drug problems and get his life in order. He needs help and guidance way more than he needs the pressure of the NFL right now in his life. Maybe someday he will play in the NFL. I hope he does because it will mean he overcame his personal demons.

 

[joseephuss]

I've tried to explain my opinions on the cause of this in another thread but I'll do it again.

First off, Bledsoe's a poor bad weather QB. Tight grips and strong arms don't mix with rain and snow.

Secondly, there are only so many ways to protect one 3x3 yard area on the field. As defenses have more tape to study on a team's various protection schemes and tendencies, the more success they have in getting to that spot in a shorter amount of time.


Pressure up, Bledsoe's success down.

I don't know about the weather aspect for the second half of this season. So far, Dallas only played in one game the second half of the season that was bad weather and that was against the Giants. It wasn't even that bad, just cold and a little windy. It was a nice night in Philly and the Denver and Detroit games were in Dallas.

Maybe it had more of an effect in his past season, but so far, the weather hasn't been a factor in the second half of the season.

I will wait until the season is over to evaluate if Bledsoe can handle the pressure that comes with the playoffs looming.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I don't know about the weather aspect for the second half of this season. So far, Dallas only played in one game the second half of the season that was bad weather and that was against the Giants. It wasn't even that bad, just cold and a little windy. It was a nice night in Philly and the Denver and Detroit games were in Dallas.

Maybe it had more of an effect in his past season, but so far, the weather hasn't been a factor in the second half of the season.

I will wait until the season is over to evaluate if Bledsoe can handle the pressure that comes with the playoffs looming.

But look back through this season. When did Bledsoe's numbers really plummet? It wasn't when Adams went out, but rather when he played poorly in the rain in Seattle.

Throughout his career, Bledsoe's been terrific when his confidence is high and he's on but down right pitiful when the confidence is gone.

A bad weather game seems to affect him for more than just that game because doubt seems to creep in.

 

[TunaFan33]

Why are you leaving out the turnovers in these games?

QC threw 2 against Tampa.

QC threw 3 against the Pats.

QC threw 1 pick against Atlanta and had a fumble.

Quincy threw two bad interceptions against Philly. That is what led to the defensive meltdown. He gave the ball up deep in Dallas territory.

QC threw 3 against Miami.

QC threw 3 against the Saints.

You blame Bledsoe for every turnover, but not Quincy. Seems hypocritical to me. Several of the interceptions that Quincy threw in those games came at critical times. They prevented Dallas from scoring or set up the opposing teams in scoring position. You are right in one aspect. You have to look at how the QB played in those games. You can't just look at the stats especially if you are going to ignore the turnovers to make your point. It is laughable.

You also keep talking about Quincy having less talent. I don't think there is as much a difference as we all hoped there would be. The offensive line is playing worse now than it did in 2003. Injuries and players not meeting expectations are the reason. I think Julius and Marion are easily better than anything on that 2003 team, but there are fewer holes to run through. There were holes for Hambrick. He just couldn't hit them.

I also think Bryant and Galloway are talented receivers. Bryant is having a decent year and Galloway is playing at a pro bowl level. Most people think they are talented. It wasn't about talent with them, it was about how they fit in Dallas.

If you hate Dallas so much for releasing Quincy, then why do you watch the games? Or maybe if you love Quincy so much, why don't you find him and help him get through his drug problems and get his life in order. He needs help and guidance way more than he needs the pressure of the NFL right now in his life. Maybe someday he will play in the NFL. I hope he does because it will mean he overcame his personal demons.

You know? This just occured to me too.

When QC was here-our defensive meltdowns was DUE to his bone-headed play.

As pissed as I am about Drew's ineffectiveness in recent weeks, the scores HAVE been very close nonetheless, and have had golden opportunities to win them.

Bledsoe will always give me the jitters-but people have to keep in mind that all our losses have been CLOSE losses, unlike when QC was here.

 

[joseephuss]

But look back through this season. When did Bledsoe's numbers really plummet? It wasn't when Adams went out, but rather when he played poorly in the rain in Seattle.

Throughout his career, Bledsoe's been terrific when his confidence is high and he's on but down right pitiful when the confidence is gone.

A bad weather game seems to affect him for more than just that game because doubt seems to creep in.

That is fine. I was using your initial critieria of games played in the 2nd half of the season. The Seattle game was in the first half of the season. It was also the first game that Flozell missed. Tucker took over in the Giants game in the week before. There is a strong correlation between Flozell and the offensive production.

By the way, Hasselback had poor perfomance that day as well.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

That is fine. I was using your initial critieria of games played in the 2nd half of the season. The Seattle game was in the first half of the season. It was also the first game that Flozell missed. Tucker took over in the Giants game in the week before. There is a strong correlation between Flozell and the offensive production.

By the way, Hasselback had poor perfomance that day as well.

Typically, the bad weather starts in the 2nd half of the year. This year it was a week or two early.


I understand Hassleback had a poor game, but he didn't let one poor weather game get in his head and shake his confidence.

Manning also had a bad game Sunday but I doubt it will affect the rest of his season.

I'm not so sure about Bledsoe. It's been his history. I hope he overcomes it but again I have my doubts.