Bledsoe is carrying this team so far

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Doomsday101 said:
An unrealistic standard, those QB's who have won SB did it because they played on great teams, it was never the Dallas Aikmans or the San fran Montanas QB's no doubt get the spot light but TEAMS wins championships. You could be the greatest QB of all time but it still takes the entire team to win it all. As important as the QB is he can still only do so much

Hahaha, tell that to Roger Staubach and John Elway.
 

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Hahaha, tell that to Roger Staubach and John Elway.

You mean Roger who played on a team with the Doomsday Defense who did their part to win many games by coming up with the big defensive play or the same Roger who had guys like Dorsett and some of the all time great O-Lineman around him. Same could be said for Elway he did not win a SB until he was at the end of his career and had Davis who carried a big load for the Broncos. I agree the QB is a very important position on a team but no QB has won a SB without a lot of the other part around him. I was a big fan of Roger but as good as he was Dallas was not going to the SB every year he was there and Roger had his bad days just like any other QB
 

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You mean Roger who played on a team with the Doomsday Defense who did their part to win many games by coming up with the big defensive play or the same Roger who had guys like Dorsett and some of the all time great O-Lineman around him. Same could be said for Elway he did not win a SB until he was at the end of his career and had Davis who carried a big load for the Broncos. I agree the QB is a very important position on a team but no QB has won a SB without a lot of the other part around him. I was a big fan of Roger but as good as he was Dallas was not going to the SB every year he was there and Roger had his bad days just like any other QB

Important? Try most important. Yes of course it helps to have a great team around you but if you don't have a QB that can get the job done you will not win. Don't give me crap about the Ravens and Dilfer, that was the exception to the rule. Let's hope Bledsoe continues to prove he is more than just driving the bus because we are going to need it to be anything better than 8-8.
 

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Bledsoe has a real oportunity to step up on Sunday against the Raider Nation. The run defense will be tough, but word has it the Raider's secondary be easy pickings.

Hey Portland Fanatic, Can your wife teach my wife how to use the stinkin Tivo! I mean, how hard can it be? Send a copy of the game buddy. Blind BayArea Cowboy
 

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stiletto said:
Important? Try most important. Yes of course it helps to have a great team around you but if you don't have a QB that can get the job done you will not win. Don't give me crap about the Ravens and Dilfer, that was the exception to the rule. Let's hope Bledsoe continues to prove he is more than just driving the bus because we are going to need it to be anything better than 8-8.

I would agree it is very important but don't give me this crud about it is just the QB it is the Team that wins the SB. I guess that is why all the members get rings not just the QB. Fact is I never saw Roger stop a RB in short yardage or pick off a pass to save a game. Teams win championship not just QB's I know many even in the media who judge a QB by rings but that is not even close to the reality because as you mention Dilfer I could add to that guys like Doug Williams as well as some others who were decent QB but not great by any means who played on championship teams.
 
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stiletto said:
Bus drivers throw for yards. Guys like Aikman, Brady, Montana, they win Super Bowls. Big difference in my opinion. Who cares about yards...? the ultimate goal is championships. I guess I just have different standards than some....

There's no doubt those guys are all great QB's....but you have to give credit where credit is do....Bledsoe is a hall of fame calibur QB despite what the critics may say....this guy makes players around him better, plain and simple. People keep saying the Bills defense and Mcgahee carried them...this is not true, Bledsoe's leadership and gritty play is what kept that team from being downright terrible the last few years. Going further back to 93 when Bledsoe came into the league he took a horrible New England franchise and single handedly made them a contender ultimately paving the way for Brady and company to do what they did. You can argue that if Bledsoe never got hurt we wouldn't even know who Tom Brady is...whether or not Drew would have won 3 championships is pure speculation, but given the fact Bellechek created the ultimate TEAM who knows.

Championships are a very good resume item...but there are many great players like Jim Kelly or Dan Marino that are empty handed as well. I really hope Drew caps off his great career with a championship or two here in Dallas.....anything is possible and we have to believe this team can make a serious run once the defense improves in the second half
 

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stiletto said:
Bus drivers throw for yards. Guys like Aikman, Brady, Montana, they win Super Bowls. Big difference in my opinion. Who cares about yards...? the ultimate goal is championships. I guess I just have different standards than some....

actually what a bus driver does is hand the ball off and off of play action pick up a first down once in a while. Bus drivers don't throw up gaudy statistics. This infatuation you have with Quarterbacks winning superbowls is pathetic. You believe that the Quarterback has more influence on the superbowl wins than he actually does and that is all there is too it. The Quaretback is the most important position on the field but it is not more important then ANY two positions together. If you surround a quarterback with wide receivers who create separation and an offensive line that gives the quarterback time to throw and a running threat - a quarterback with a big arm will deliver. I would say Aikman Brady and Montana all BENEFITED from the situations they were in more than adding to the situations they were/are in.
 

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Doomsday101 said:
An unrealistic standard, those QB's who have won SB did it because they played on great teams, it was never the Dallas Aikmans or the San fran Montanas QB's no doubt get the spot light but TEAMS wins championships. You could be the greatest QB of all time but it still takes the entire team to win it all. As important as the QB is he can still only do so much

True. Just ask Dan Marino.
 

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BayArea Cowboy said:
Bledsoe has a real oportunity to step up on Sunday against the Raider Nation. The run defense will be tough, but word has it the Raider's secondary be easy pickings.

Hey Portland Fanatic, Can your wife teach my wife how to use the stinkin Tivo! I mean, how hard can it be? Send a copy of the game buddy. Blind BayArea Cowboy

I would but she does not know how either...however, I can send Zach..my 5 year old...he knows how too. hehe
 

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stiletto said:
Bus drivers throw for yards. Guys like Aikman, Brady, Montana, they win Super Bowls. Big difference in my opinion. Who cares about yards...? the ultimate goal is championships. I guess I just have different standards than some....

Bus drivers are care-takers who throw just enough not-to-lose. Think Bob Griese. Bus drivers don't throw 40+ and 50+ deep passes in the clutch like Bledsoe did Sunday.

Great passers throw for big yards-- Marino, Moon, Bledsoe. True, big career yardage doesn't translate into championships (certainly not yet for those three), but it certainly does not reflect driving a bus!
 

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True. Just ask Dan Marino.

Best example out there as well as Dan Fouts, these guys could put scores on the board but they also played on teams that were not championship caliber. I think great QB's can do enough to get their teams to the playoffs but to take it the rest of the way you better have a solid team on both sides of the line. I'll also never confuse guys like Dilfer,Doug Williams,Brad Johnson and Phil Simms as some of the all time greats like Marino
 
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Bus drivers are care-takers who throw just enough not-to-lose. Think Bob Griese. Bus drivers don't throw 40+ and 50+ deep passes in the clutch like Bledsoe did Sunday.

Great passers throw for big yards-- Marino, Moon, Bledsoe. True, big career yardage doesn't translate into championships (certainly not yet for those three), but it certainly does not reflect driving a bus!

Don't forget about the frauds like Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, etc who only won a superbowl out of pure luck because they had phenomenal defensive and special team units that carried them.

Neither of those clowns are half the QB Bledsoe is
 

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New to the board, so HI everyone. Bledsoe is playing great football and IMO if they would've opened the playbook a little more we'd be 3-0. I hope that the development of the passing game continues so JJ can have some room to run a little more.
 
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