Bledsoe or Roethlisberger?

[gbrittain]

gbrittain, could you do that for just this last year? There are significant differences between Bledsoe's dallas and buffalo numbers.

It might take a few, but I will certainly do it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Elway carried his team to the SB twice with little to no help...

Bledsoe had guys like

this on offense
Byars, Keith
Martin, Curtis
Coates, Ben
Glenn, Terry
Jefferson, Shawn
Vinatieri, Adam
Meggett, Dave

and guys like this on Defense

McGinest, Willie
Eaton, Chad
Bruschi, Tedy
Law, Ty
Milloy, Lawyer
Slade, Chris
Tupa, Tom

and abunch of other "name" players

and he still couldn't get it done

go check out Elway's 2 trips to the SB before terrell davis and look at his roster

Elway = Great (maybe the greatest)
Bledsoe = barely adequate (sorry but it is true)

that's a little unfair since Elway didn't win a SB until Terrell Davis became his RB

 

[theogt]

It might take a few, but I will certainly do it.

Thanks. I'm kind of in the middle of class and should be paying attention right now.

 

[Slyster]

Bledsoe the last two years when he throws 25+ a game:

Average Completions Per Game - 19
Average Completion % Per Game - 57.5
Average Yards Per Game - 224.3
Average TDs Per Game - 1.4
Average INTs Per Game - 1.1
Average QB Rating Per Game - 79.4
Average Sacks Per Game - 2.6
Average Sack Yards Lost Per Game - 15.5
Average Fumbles Per Game - .7

Ben R the last two years when he throws 25+ a game:

Average Completions Per Game - 18.7
Average Completion % Per Game - 65.0
Average Yards Per Game - 227.6
Average TDs Per Game - 1.6
Average INTs Per Game - 1.0
Average QB Rating Per Game - 93.1
Average Sacks Per Game - 2.4
Average Sack Yards Lost Per Game - 15.1
Average Fumbles Per Game - .1

Based on the last two years when throwing 25+ times a game the stats suggest that Ben R would put up better stats.

Just for Bledsoe4MVP I am not hating on your boy. Since he is a Cowboy he is also my boy. Just like JuJo is my boy too, but he is not the RB that LaDanian Tomlinson is.

Dont forget to use the team rushing aswell. Pitt the last 2 years have a total of 4046 rushing yards while the last 2 years for Bledsoe his teams had a total of 3508 yards.

I would also like to see how well Ben plays on a team like Buffalo.

 

[Zaxor]

that's a little unfair since Elway didn't win a SB until Terrell Davis became his RB

that is true but Elway got them there twice with nothing much to speak of on there roster.

 

[gbrittain]

gbrittain, could you do that for just this last year? There are significant differences between Bledsoe's dallas and buffalo numbers.

Bledsoe last year when he throws 25+ a game:

Average Completions Per Game - 20.6
Average Completion % Per Game - 57.3
Average Yards Per Game - 254.2
Average TDs Per Game - 1.6
Average INTs Per Game - 1.3
Average QB Rating Per Game - 79.7
Average Sacks Per Game - 3.0
Average Sack Yards Lost Per Game - 17.3
Average Fumbles Per Game - .9

 

[Bob Sacamano]

that is true but Elway got them there twice with nothing much to speak of on there roster.

those were pretty good rosters

 

[Seven]

that's a little unfair since Elway didn't win a SB until Terrell Davis became his RB

AND....Reeves was given the boot.

 

[gbrittain]

Thanks. I'm kind of in the middle of class and should be paying attention right now.

LOL...too funny. Know the feeling, well remember the feeling is more like it.

 

[Slyster]

Elway carried his team to the SB twice with little to no help...

Bledsoe had guys like

this on offense
Byars, Keith
Martin, Curtis
Coates, Ben
Glenn, Terry
Jefferson, Shawn
Vinatieri, Adam
Meggett, Dave

and guys like this on Defense

McGinest, Willie
Eaton, Chad
Bruschi, Tedy
Law, Ty
Milloy, Lawyer
Slade, Chris
Tupa, Tom

and abunch of other "name" players

and he still couldn't get it done

go check out Elway's 2 trips to the SB before terrell davis and look at his roster

Elway = Great (maybe the greatest)
Bledsoe = barely adequate (sorry but it is true)

Are you seriously comparing the 96 Pats to the SB Broncos?

Keith Byars? You are joking right?

You have 2 people on offense that are / were good. What happened to Terry when he no longer played with Drew? Thought so.

You have 3 on defense that are good ( Millow , Law and Mcginest ). Tedy was hardly the player then as he is now.

 

[gbrittain]

Dont forget to use the team rushing aswell. Pitt the last 2 years have a total of 4046 rushing yards while the last 2 years for Bledsoe his teams had a total of 3508 yards.

I would also like to see how well Ben plays on a team like Buffalo.

You can never create an equal playing field. If I do that, do I also take into consideration that Ben Rs stats are from his rookie and second year? Most concede that it is in a QBs third and fourth year when things start jiving for them.

 

[aikemirv]

There is really 1 reason, IMO, that Bledsoe's career comp % numbers are as low as they are and at the same time his main weakness as a QB.

He refuses to throw to the checkdown guy. I would happily take all of Bledsoe's other faults, but this is the one that is most critical and seperates him from being a very good QB to one of the great QB's.

But that is just my opinion.

 

[Slyster]

that is true but Elway got them there twice with nothing much to speak of on there roster.

In 96 Curtis Martin ran for 1152 yards with a 3.6 yards a carry and 14 TDs. The Pats D was also #14 in points allowed.

In 97 Terrell Davis ran for 1750 yard with 4.7 yards a carry and 15 TDs. The Broncos D was #7 is points allowed.

In 98 Terrell Davis ran for 2008 yards with a 5.1 yards a carry and 21 TDs. The Broncos D was #8 in points allowed.

Would you like to change your line of thinking?

 

[Slyster]

There is really 1 reason, IMO, that Bledsoe's career comp % numbers are as low as they are and at the same time his main weakness as a QB.

He refuses to throw to the checkdown guy. I would happily take all of Bledsoe's other faults, but this is the one that is most critical and seperates him from being a very good QB to one of the great QB's.

But that is just my opinion.

You have to ask yourself. Does he not checkdown or is the checkdown guy not open? Though he does stay with his first read a little longer than most QBs just to give them a chance to get open. Sometimes it backfires and sometimes it doesnt.

 

[juck]

I will continue to sell Bledsoe. Especially when being compared to a QB whos career high in passing is 2621 yards and 17 TDs. Amazing how a SB Ring somehow makes people think players are better than they really are.

 

[juck]

All bledsoe haters will change their tune after this season with T.O. It is IMO a match made in football heaven.

 

[aikemirv]

You have to ask yourself. Does he not checkdown or is the checkdown guy not open? Though he does stay with his first read a little longer than most QBs just to give them a chance to get open. Sometimes it backfires and sometimes it doesnt.

He does not checkdown like he should. That is the reason Brady kept the job in NE, because he was willing to take what the Defense gives him. That is Bledsoe weakness, it contributes to his sack numbers, his fumble numbers and his Completion percentage and probably to his interceptions.

 

[Slyster]

You can never create an equal playing field. If I do that, do I also take into consideration that Ben Rs stats are from his rookie and second year? Most concede that it is in a QBs third and fourth year when things start jiving for them.

I know but having a running game as good as the Steelers have had the past 2 years ( 2229 in 04 and 2015 in 05. I was wrong in the total before hehe ) grealy increases the teams ability to pass ( effieciently ).

The Bills had 1707 in 04 and Dallas had 1801 in 05.

I didnt even mention the offensive line play either.

 

[jem88]

1 ) Im sure all those sacks are his fault alone.

2 ) Which is still less INTs than some HoFers. You also forgot to mention the 244 TD passes.

3 ) Thats odd. ESPN has his fumbles at 44 with 13 lost since 93.

4 ) 57.3 is considered bad now? Dont forget his 6500 attempts either.

5 ) Show me where you got this stat. I have never seen it anywhere. It certainly isnt an official stat. Is this only QBs or does it include running backs and recievers?

6 ) Bledsoe had an 87 QB rating against the Blitz this year.

7 ) I have no clue how you came to this conclusion.

Elway was in the same boat as Bledsoe untill Terrell Davis came along. So I would say Bledsoe is one of the elite QBs to have played.

Elway took his team to 5 Super Bowls, 3 of them were pre-Terrell Davis. Bledsoe has led a team to the Super Bowl 1 time. I'm not really sure how they're in the same boat. Any neutral would scoff at an attempt to put Bledsoe and Elway in the same class. There's simply no comparison at all.

 

[RCowboyFan]

All bledsoe haters will change their tune after this season with T.O. It is IMO a match made in football heaven.

Okie Dokie, So you are Hater if you think Bledsoe is not good as Big Ben? I guess we learn something new here on this board.