Bledsoe or Roethlisberger?

[Slyster]

He does not checkdown like he should. That is the reason Brady kept the job in NE, because he was willing to take what the Defense gives him. That is Bledsoe weakness, it contributes to his sack numbers, his fumble numbers and his Completion percentage and probably to his interceptions.

Again. How do you know he doesnt?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Okie Dokie, So you are Hater if you think Bledsoe is not good as Big Ben? I guess we learn something new here on this board.

no, you're a hater, that in your quest to prove that Ben is better, you lower Bledsoe to a level that he isn't at

 

[Gibbs II]

I will continue to sell Bledsoe. Especially when being compared to a QB whos career high in passing is 2621 yards and 17 TDs. Amazing how a SB Ring somehow makes people think players are better than they really are.

Honestly, an incredibly dumb statement.

There are so many holes in your reasoning its ridiculous, but ill go through some.

1st(in no particular order), Ben has played 2 seasons in the NFL and you are going on "Career highs".

At his point in Bledoe's carreer, he had 2 more INTs than TDs, while Ben has 14 more TDs than INTs. His completion % is 10+pts higher than Bledsoe was at his career. Far more efficient and more productive.

Also, Ben has certain intangibles than Bledsoe has shown he does not have. Ben walked along as his team went 15-1 in 2004, but in 05 he showed he can be relied on in clutch situations. I mean he lead the team in cinci, made that saving tackle in Indy, he destroyed the bronocs, and made the plays when he had to in the SUPERBOWL. I dont care who you are, if you can have a part in all of those, you are special.

If it was the system or not, Ben has shown he can win which is all you need.

 

[aikemirv]

Again. How do you know he doesnt?

It has been documented over his career, has it not?

"He goes for the long ball" -it has been stated time after time about Bledsoe.

I can't see the checkdowns every time, obviously, so you have to take some peoples word for things.

I made a statement that said "IMO" I believe, that is what I observed last year also where checkdowns were open at times.

If you don't think that is his main weakness, that is fine with me. I do.

 

[Slyster]

Elway took his team to 5 Super Bowls, 3 of them were pre-Terrell Davis. Bledsoe has led a team to the Super Bowl 1 time. I'm not really sure how they're in the same boat. Any neutral would scoff at an attempt to put Bledsoe and Elway in the same class. There's simply no comparison at all.

First Bledsoe gets basehd because of his numbers in the SB. Now its because he only lead the Pats to 1?

Elway the Great has 3 TDs and 8 INTs in the SBs. With 1 TD and 2 INT coming with Terrell Davis. Including 2 SBs in which he did not throw a TD pass.

Bledsoe = Elway.

 

[iceberg]

All bledsoe haters will change their tune after this season with T.O. It is IMO a match made in football heaven.

and what will TO do when bledsoe is rushed and bounces a few passes at TOs feet?

 

[Slyster]

It has been documented over his career, has it not?

"He goes for the long ball" -it has been stated time after time about Bledsoe.

I can't see the checkdowns every time, obviously, so you have to take some peoples word for things.

I made a statement that said "IMO" I believe, that is what I observed last year also where checkdowns were open at times.

If you don't think that is his main weakness, that is fine with me. I do.

Based on last year Bledsoe checked down alot ( as he did with Buffalo in 2002 when he had checkdown recievers like Larry centers and Jay Remiersma ). Bledsoe uses the TE as he checkdown guy for the most part. As you could see with Ben Coates and with Witten.

Guys like Brady use his RB as his checkdowns.

Again. These scouts and so called experts are not on the field and in Bledsoes head to know if he checksdown or not.

 

[Doomsday101]

and what will TO do when bledsoe is rushed and bounces a few passes at TOs feet?

Hopefully he will not do anything and relize every QB in the league will bounce passes at a WR when under extream pressure.

 

[Slyster]

and what will TO do when bledsoe is rushed and bounces a few passes at TOs feet?

He lived with Mcnabb and he bounces more passes than any QB I have ever seen.

 

[Slyster]

Honestly, an incredibly dumb statement.

There are so many holes in your reasoning its ridiculous, but ill go through some.

1st(in no particular order), Ben has played 2 seasons in the NFL and you are going on "Career highs".

At his point in Bledoe's carreer, he had 2 more INTs than TDs, while Ben has 14 more TDs than INTs. His completion % is 10+pts higher than Bledsoe was at his career. Far more efficient and more productive.

Also, Ben has certain intangibles than Bledsoe has shown he does not have. Ben walked along as his team went 15-1 in 2004, but in 05 he showed he can be relied on in clutch situations. I mean he lead the team in cinci, made that saving tackle in Indy, he destroyed the bronocs, and made the plays when he had to in the SUPERBOWL. I dont care who you are, if you can have a part in all of those, you are special.

If it was the system or not, Ben has shown he can win which is all you need.

Your reasoning has more holes than mine.

What does Ben have now that Bledsoe didnt? A running game and a dominate o-line! ( ~1700 yards in 93 and ~1300 in 94 ). Big Ben has a superior cast compared to those Pats teams.

Next.

 

[jem88]

Bledsoe = Elway.

The moronic nature of this last quote means you can't be reasoned with.

 

[jem88]

Anybody who equates Elway with Bledsoe, obviously didn't see much of Elway's career.

 

[junk]

I'm not even going to read all 12 pages, but anyone that seriously would rather have Bledsoe over Roth right now needs to have their head examined.

 

[Doomsday101]

Anybody who equates Elway with Bledsoe, obviously didn't see much of Elway's career.

I agree Elway was better but even Elway could not get a ring on his finger until Denver brought in a running back who went over the 2,000 yard mark in a season.

 

[jem88]

I agree Elway was better but even Elway could not get a ring on his finger until Denver brought in a running back who went over the 2,000 yard mark in a season.

No doubt he struggled to get over the hump, but we're talking about a first-ballot, top-5 QB here vs a guy who is a long shot, at best, to make the HOF (I know, I know, the HOF is biased, blah, blah, blah... -> that wasn't aimed at you Doomsday101.)

 

[Doomsday101]

No doubt he struggled to get over the hump, but we're talking about a first-ballot, top-5 QB here vs a guy who is a long shot, at best, to make the HOF (I know, I know, the HOF is biased, blah, blah, blah... -> that wasn't aimed at you Doomsday101.)

If his post season does not improve I agree he will not make it. He may get on the ballot but I doubt he would get in. On the other hand if he is able to play 2 or 3 more years and get a couple of rings in Dallas then I think he will have a chance to make it. As great as Elway was he had some stinker games in the playoffs as well and getting those 2 rings in his last 2 season I think was a big help for him getting to the Hall.

 

[RCowboyFan]

If his post season does not improve I agree he will not make it. He may get on the ballot but I doubt he would get in. On the other hand if he is able to play 2 or 3 more years and get a couple of rings in Dallas then I think he will have a chance to make it. As great as Elway was he had some stinker games in the playoffs as well and getting those 2 rings in his last 2 season I think was a big help for him getting to the Hall.

Actually I do agree with that statement. But where I differ is, Elway was great in regular season, no way can Bledsoe be compared to what Elway was in most regular season games.

And true, if he gets couple of rings, heck even if he gets a ring, when he starts and plays for SB, then I guess he might be able to get into Canton. And I hope that is true too. Because I have high hopes on him this year, barring injuries ofcourse.

Having said that, I will take Ben over Bledsoe any day and twice on Sundays if given the option.

 

[jem88]

If his post season does not improve I agree he will not make it. He may get on the ballot but I doubt he would get in. On the other hand if he is able to play 2 or 3 more years and get a couple of rings in Dallas then I think he will have a chance to make it. As great as Elway was he had some stinker games in the playoffs as well and getting those 2 rings in his last 2 season I think was a big help for him getting to the Hall.

If Bledsoe can replicate what Elway did in his last two years (regardless of the players around Bledsoe,) then my estimation of Bledsoe will go way up and you'll hear no argument from me regarding his HOF status. I have little confidence that he'll be able to do that.

 

[Gibbs II]

Your reasoning has more holes than mine.

What does Ben have now that Bledsoe didnt? A running game and a dominate o-line! ( ~1700 yards in 93 and ~1300 in 94 ). Big Ben has a superior cast compared to those Pats teams.

Next.

Really? I mean you could say that if that was the case for only his first few seasons, but he has been inaccurate and int happy his whole career. I mean for christ's sake he avg. more than 1 INT a game!


Also, I would love for you to explain how Ben seems to keep making great plays while drew can barely do that.

 

[Doomsday101]

Actually I do agree with that statement. But where I differ is, Elway was great in regular season, no way can Bledsoe be compared to what Elway was in most regular season games.

And true, if he gets couple of rings, heck even if he gets a ring, when he starts and plays for SB, then I guess he might be able to get into Canton. And I hope that is true too. Because I have high hopes on him this year, barring injuries ofcourse.

Having said that, I will take Ben over Bledsoe any day and twice on Sundays if given the option.

Different style QB but Drew does rank in the tops in many categories in the NFL over his career no one can take that away from him and I think that will be taken into consideration I think the thing that can give him a great chance at the Hall would be getting a SB ring or 2. As for Ben and Bledsoe I think Ben is a very good QB and I would love to have him but I also realize he went to a QB's dream in Pitt I mean Tommy Maddox was putting up some good numbers in Pitt because they don't place all the pressure on the QB they want to run the ball and use that to set up play action and when you can be consistent running it freezes those LB and Safeties so they are not just pinning their ears back and coming after the QB. This is not a knock on Ben he is doing exactly what Pitt wants him to do and he does it very well but again throwing an average of 22 passes per game lowest in the league among starting QB's keeps him from shouldering all the responsibility for the teams success.