Bledsoe vs. Brunell

[cfujskins]

He is fast, straight line fast, but he is not exceptionally limber. He is also as brittle as Terry, and if TG fails to extend for a pass over the middle once a year, mulitply it that by 10 for Moss his years in NY.

Agility is about body control, about ability to contort and bend, flexiblility that is inherent, not learned. Moss is fast, like Joey G is fast, but neither of them can do what TG does. Taking screen passes to the house...Moss blows by defenders, but that is not agility per se.

I would have to disagree. Remember, Moss is also an excellent return man which itself requires a great deal of agility (if not, then teams would hire track sprinters and no team would have return man woes). Moss has the ability to elude defenders better than most players in the league. Ask Jets fans. They will tell you that in a straight line, Laveranues Coles is faster than Moss but is "quicker".

 

[Tricked]

i love terry glenn, he's fast, he has great hands (love his finger tip catches, even though he hasn't had as many this year as last), but moss is the guy who you throw a WR screen to and just blows by all the defenders...

that's what i mean by him single handedly winning them games, they throw the ball to him and he just does amazing things with it after the catch..

i haven't watched any skins games this year except for the 2 where we played them, but the highlights are amazing

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I would have to disagree. Remember, Moss is also an excellent return man which itself requires a great deal of agility (if not, then teams would hire track sprinters and no team would have return man woes). Moss has the ability to elude defenders better than most players in the league. Ask Jets fans. They will tell you that in a straight line, Laveranues Coles is faster than Moss but is "quicker".

Jets fans will also tell you Wayne Chrebet is better than Keyshawn Johnson. But yeah, Moss is quicker than Coles. and Glenn is quicker than Moss. Moss is faster than Glenn.

But do you know what 'agility' is?

It isn't speed, it isn't quickness, and it isn't even 'elusiveness', altho all three factors enhance it.

Top notch agility is a characteristic you see in gymnasts and in dancers as well as in some athletes. There are many many very good speed receivers, some as accomplished as Marvin Harrison, who do not have exceptional agility.

Agility starts with the feet, and goes all the way up the body. When
you watch a receiver you can gauge it easily, it's a size-limber-strength- flexibility ratio, a muscular-skeleto correlation, it's sinew based, not brawn, it's the quality that allows for GREAT catches..the ones that defy gravity, probability, and don't necessarily have to do with speed. It's behind not just the balance and body control of sidelines toe stepping but the 'flying' catches in which the receiver seems to take a diving leap into the ball...and find it.

The Glenn TD catch in Detroit in 2003 that was such a staple of NFL highlights that Burger King superimposed the King' body over TG's for a commrcial (LMAO!) is a great example. You won't see Moss making such a catch. He is too stiff jointed, despite his speed.

In today's dc.com player interview with Patrick Crayton, the young receiver mentioned this offseason he is going to be working on his 'quick twitch fibers, so my feet will be constantly moving more and more" . The interviewer mentioned that was a "Terry Glenn speciality", and PC added yeah it might be a 'natural' quailty. Of course it is. I don't know how much PC can do to improve his, but my guess is his success won't derive from that particular quality.

Parcells also mentioned today TG has some ongoing toe issues, due to the amount of torque he's able to put on his cuts. Some athletes are simply more gifted in flexibility, and can do more with their bodies than others can. I have yet to see ANY receiver who has Terry's agility, and tho Santana has often amazed me with his speed and occasionally with his moves, he has little of that particular athletic gift.

I will allow that Moss's age and speed make him a more valuable commodity than Glenn today. But I also know that few athletes are capable of the freakish concoctions of body control Glenn is, and that doesn't seem to have diminished with age.

 

[Nors]

I ran track

quickness versus high end speed are two different things. I think you can improve quickness and speed and some but mostly its a god given talent. You aren't training slow twitch to fast twist.

I was a hurdler with high twitch and all that quick. No one ever beat me to first hurdle. In football I could separate from faster guys. Its a really neat discussion.

Troy Brown on Bethel Johnsons renowned speed. Sure he's all that. But he can't beat me in the 10 yard dash.....

Glenn's magic is separation. Those lucky enough to see him get that. Way to beat him is double a safety over him. Exactly what we did to Steve Smith!

 

[ArmchairRedskin]

Both those guys perfomed well over most expectations. And if one certain thing came out of the season concerning them both, they each got robbed of a trip to Hawaii by one of the popular kids in the class.

 

[cfujskins]

Jets fans will also tell you Wayne Chrebet is better than Keyshawn Johnson. But yeah, Moss is quicker than Coles. and Glenn is quicker than Moss. Moss is faster than Glenn.

But do you know what 'agility' is?

It isn't speed, it isn't quickness, and it isn't even 'elusiveness', altho all three factors enhance it.

Top notch agility is a characteristic you see in gymnasts and in dancers as well as in some athletes. There are many many very good speed receivers, some as accomplished as Marvin Harrison, who do not have exceptional agility.

Agility starts with the feet, and goes all the way up the body. When
you watch a receiver you can gauge it easily, it's a size-limber-strength- flexibility ratio, a muscular-skeleto correlation, it's sinew based, not brawn, it's the quality that allows for GREAT catches..the ones that defy gravity, probability, and don't necessarily have to do with speed. It's behind not just the balance and body control of sidelines toe stepping but the 'flying' catches in which the receiver seems to take a diving leap into the ball...and find it.

The Glenn TD catch in Detroit in 2003 that was such a staple of NFL highlights that Burger King superimposed the King' body over TG's for a commrcial (LMAO!) is a great example. You won't see Moss making such a catch. He is too stiff jointed, despite his speed.

So Moss didn't display such ability when he made that catch at the goaline against the Cowboys a few weeks ago? Or when he was running a go route at full speed against Will Allen and shifted his hips effortlessly and smoothly to turn around and catch the ball while staying on balance to run into the endzone?

Moss has a 43 inch vertical so I find it rather difficult to believe that there isn't a catch he COULD NOT make.

 

[roughneck266]

Both those guys perfomed well over most expectations. And if one certain thing came out of the season concerning them both, they each got robbed of a trip to Hawaii by one of the popular kids in the class.

Couldn't agree more. They were BOTH beat out of it by media darlings in my opinion.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Moss has a 43 inch vertical so I find it rather difficult to believe that there isn't a catch he COULD NOT make.

Sigh. Why do I insist on having these conversations with the aesthetically challenged? But at least I've got Juke.

Of course there is no catch Moss couldn't make! He is, after all, a Commander.

I don't expect you to 'get it', but there are 'degrees' of grace and fluidity. There are fine-tuned athletes galore, but there is also an 'X' factor where the conventional definition of agility, based on some incalculable estimation of explosivity and fluidity takes a turn into pure mystery. There are amazing 'moves' made by professional athletes on a daily basis, born of precision timing and an extrasensory perception, but again, there are moments of grace that quicken the imagination, and whether it was Mohammed Ali's firefly dance of bobbing and weaving or Michael Jordan's full body-mind instantaneous reaction quotient, you know it when you see it.
It's sheer physical beauty that doesn't stun you with its power but with its grace.

Now don't go tell your fellow homers the Boys fans are comparing their receivers with Ali or MJ...but the next time you contemplate a hummingbird suspended in sunlight over a rose garden, I doubt it will remind you (or anyone) of Santana Moss.

 

[Doomsday101]

Less attempts for Brunnell with just as many touchdowns and 2-0 head to head. 9 INTs to 15 is a hell of a difference.
btw: Nobody in the media is on a QB's genetils like Simms is on Bledsoe's.

Well Brunnell also has a running back who is currently rushing for 1404 with 1 game left. It is a big help to the QB to have a running game to help slow down a pass rush. It is also the reason why Brunnell has not had to throw the ball as much as Bledsoe has had to.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

All this talk of Glenn, Moss and fluid, makes me feel funny where I make water...I better go make water.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

All this talk of Glenn, Moss and fluid, makes me feel funny where I make water...I better go make water.

Wierdo.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Also consider and compare the resources invested them .. in signing bonus and draft picks.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Wierdo.

That's Mr Fancy Pants to you young lassie.

 

[RCowboyFan]

All this talk of Glenn, Moss and fluid, makes me feel funny where I make water...I better go make water.

 

[Cowchips]

I would take Bledsoe for the X factor. That little unknown variable in sports called injuries. Maybe it is in part because he is not mobile and doesnt put his body at risk but Bledsoe is incredibly durable and TOUGH. Your talking about a guy who has played games with pins in his throwing fingers, come back into games with concussions and even tried to come back into a game with a torn artery that almost killed him.

Brunnell for all his good qualities is injury prone. In his later years he has that Chad Pennington, finding a way to get hurt, syndrome.