Bledsoe's last 7 games

[peplaw06]

I actually could have went back a little further than just 7 games by the way

David

Yeah you could have... but is it a coincidence that you threw in the last 6 games from last season when we were 2-4 as opposed to the first 10 games when we were 7-3? I think not.

 

[peplaw06]

But the fact is Bledsoe is easily defended and I'm hoping the coaching staff can do something to get him going. His "bouncing around" due to phantom pressure last week was somewhat scary-- that's not a good sign.

Good post mike, didn't come off as haterish at all. i wanted to comment on this paragraph though. I think he still has the ability to perform if put in the right position, and I think BP has tried very hard to do that this season.

As for the bouncing around under phantom pressure, I agree. It was pretty frustrating to see Bledsoe make bad throws (or any throw for that matter) when he had a lot more time. But I think it's a combination of a two things.

1) he has to be somewhat skittish back there given the number of times he was hit last season. Hopefully if you give him some more time, he won't look so gunshy.

2) it's been pretty well documented that BP wants him getting rid of the ball earlier. The bullhorn drills, etc. Maybe they're working. Bledsoe seems to be getting rid of it quicker. When he looks skittish, maybe it's him knowing his bullhorn in his mind has already gone off and he still has the ball. It's hopefully a sign that the drills are working. Now we just need to see him make the RIGHT throws quicker, instead of trying to force throws just so he gets rid of it quicker.

 

[Clove]

I think Bledsoe has to play well this weekend or his career in Dallas is over with.

I liked the entire post (but I thought it would be rude to copy and paste the entire quote so here's my favorite part). And BTW, you my friend are a genius.

 

[Angus]

The scary thing is he usually starts a season pretty strong, then has a reputation for fading down the stretch, but this season he has started off poorly. On the bright side, maybe he's flipping the script and will get better as the season progresses instead of getting worse.

Don't count on it.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I'm sure someone will read this and say that "Mike Winicki is a hater". But I truly believe I've painted an accurate picture of the Bledsoe years in Buffalo-- both good & bad.

Excellent summary, "Hater", especially on the 2002 season when Gilbride had defenses stymied for that first half of the season. Then, as you say, DCs added the second quick Bledsoe fix of Drew's career (the first being Bill and Mumbles' applying pressure up the middle on him when Tuna coached the Jets), the taking away of the long ball.

And then when Kevn G got canned, and Mularky came in, Bledsoe claimed that Gilbride's O failed because it was too cerebral for the receivers. LOL! (remember, they had to do some creative scheming on their own routes, long as they end up in the right place..and Moulds and Price were pretty good at it.)

As you say, Bledsoe is a slow reader of defenses, and it's often painful to see him go thru his 'progression'. When he's forced to go shorter, and has to check off, his slowness of mind matches his slowness of foot.

Imo, he's slipped the poor read tag only because he got lucky being labled a 'tough' QB who will hang in the pocket so long in order to make a big play. In truth, I think it's more like he waits in the pocket so long because looking short confuses him. He'd rather wait for someone to get open downfield than have to process the entire field. And then, accuracy is much more vital at ten than at thirty.

Anyway, it was his lack of ability to read defenses and make quick adjustment that made Mumbles go with Brady over Bledsoe. At Drew's age, I don't think he 's just suddenly going to "get it".

I'm ready for Romo. And the sooner the better.

 

[jrumann59]

How many of those games that bledsoe sucked did we have a back gain over 100 yrds.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Excellent summary, "Hater", especially on the 2002 season when Gilbride had defenses stymied for that first half of the season. Then, as you say, DCs added the second quick Bledsoe fix of Drew's career (the first being Bill and Mumbles' applying pressure up the middle on him when Tuna coached the Jets), the taking away of the long ball.

And then when Kevn G got canned, and Mularky came in, Bledsoe claimed that Gilbride's O failed because it was too cerebral for the receivers. LOL! (remember, they had to do some creative scheming on their own routes, long as they end up in the right place..and Moulds and Price were pretty good at it.)

As you say, Bledsoe is a slow reader of defenses, and it's often painful to see him go thru his 'progression'. When he's forced to go shorter, and has to check off, his slowness of mind matches his slowness of foot.

Imo, he's slipped the poor read tag only because he got lucky being labled a 'tough' QB who will hang in the pocket so long in order to make a big play. In truth, I think it's more like he waits in the pocket so long because looking short confuses him. He'd rather wait for someone to get open downfield than have to process the entire field. And then, accuracy is much more vital at ten than at thirty.

Anyway, it was his lack of ability to read defenses and make quick adjustment that made Mumbles go with Brady over Bledsoe. At Drew's age, I don't think he 's just suddenly going to "get it".

I'm ready for Romo. And the sooner the better.

Well said B.

Now this probably teeters on "hate"! LOL!

But when I hear Bledoe's name connected with Canton other than him buying a ticket and walking in I just cringe.

I look at the list of HOF QB's I just can't see Bledsoe being the equivalent of any of them. To me he's the most flawed and the most easily defensed "big name" QB of the last 25 years.

Hey, every QB has some kind of flaw... Montana and his lack of arm strength and being a "system" QB, Aikman and his poor deep ball. Marino not being able to win a SB... yada-yada-yada.

But the flaws Bledsoe brings to the table-- the slow setup, the slow decision making and the slow release are just way too big to consider him a HOFer in my opinion.

The two most often named HOF QB's that seem to "justify" Bledsoe's place in the HOF are Fouts and Moon.

The problem with that argument is that in my mind both Fouts and Moon were far better passers than Bledsoe-- faster setups, faster reads, faster releases. And on top of that both were more mobile than Drew.

Bledsoe put up some huge numbers early in his career and many still remember the "1996" Bledsoe and think he's always played that way when he hasn't outside of a brief hot stretch here & there.

Bledsoe reminds me of a guy that comes up and hits .325 with 40 homeruns but the next year he hits .318 with 37 homers. Within 10 years he's hitting .275 with 25 homeruns. By the end of his career he has a .285 average with 450 homeruns and people are talking HOF... He's put up some decent numbers but is he a true HOFer?

I think not.

 

[bbgun]

Who in the world thought that this line and this QB could co-exist? They couldn't have picked a worse combination if they tried.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

But when I hear Bledoe's name connected with Canton other than him buying a ticket and walking in I just cringe.

Bledsoe will belong in Canton when they start voting arms in. To me, that's the ONLY thing he's ever had that's top-notch. Arm strength and the ability to put up huge passing yardage with it. Send out Glenn on another go-route - wheeee! Canton!!

Drew and Vinnie T.

Same animal, only VT threw more picks, Drew takes more sacks. VT had better pocket presence and could get the ball off faster, Bledsoe somewhat more durability over the long haul. VT the infamous "ten-cent head", Drew worth about eleven on the dollar.

There are 'flaws' as you say, and then there are 'flaws'..or mere arms connected to a slew of 'em.

So as long as 'whole' quartebacks are what get elected, I too cringe at the idea of 'enshrinement'.

PS Mike, PLEASE don't put Dan Fouts in the same sentence with Drew Bledsoe.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Bledsoe will belong in Canton when they start voting arms in. To me, that's the ONLY thing he's ever had that's top-notch. Arm strength and the ability to put up huge passing yardage with it. Send out Glenn on another go-route - wheeee! Canton!!

Drew and Vinnie T.

Same animal, only VT threw more picks, Drew takes more sacks. VT had better pocket presence and could get the ball off faster, Bledsoe somewhat more durability over the long haul. VT the infamous "ten-cent head", Drew worth about eleven on the dollar.

There are 'flaws' as you say, and then there are 'flaws'..or mere arms connected to a slew of 'em.

So as long as 'whole' quartebacks are what get elected, I too cringe at the idea of 'enshrinement'.

PS Mike, PLEASE don't put Dan Fouts in the same sentence with Drew Bledsoe.

I don't thing Fouts gets the props he deserves. I think he was sorta shortchangd because Marino came in right behind him and started out-doing the magnificent numbers that Fouts put up at the end of the 70's beginning of the 80's.

But Fouts was incredible. I remember watching him against Dallas in the fall of 1981. Now Dallas had an outstanding pass rush but time and time again Fouts would take a 3-step drop and launch the ball well before any Cowboy could get near him... and this happened over & over. It was so incredibly frustrating just watching it!

Nors use to "knock" Fouts about his relative poor numbers prior to 1979... but he never took into consideration the change from 14 to 16 games in 1978 along with the tougher rules against pass defenses.

 

[Hostile]

I don't thing Fouts gets the props he deserves. I think he was sorta shortchangd because Marino came in right behind him and started out-doing the magnificent numbers that Fouts put up at the end of the 70's beginning of the 80's.

But Fouts was incredible. I remember watching him against Dallas in the fall of 1981. Now Dallas had an outstanding pass rush but time and time again Fouts would take a 3-step drop and launch the ball well before any Cowboy could get near him... and this happened over & over. It was so incredibly frustrating just watching it!

Nors use to "knock" Fouts about his relative poor numbers prior to 1979... but he never took into consideration the change from 14 to 16 games in 1978 along with the tougher rules against pass defenses.

I doubt very seriously that he understood that. Fouts never played for the Patriots. He had no point of reference for comparison.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I doubt very seriously that he understood that. Fouts never played for the Patriots. He had no point of reference for comparison.

The thing fans either didn't witness or conveniently forget is that the NFL prior to the 16 game season and the changing of the pass defense rules was a much different league.

This should show how much the league has changed when it comes to passing offense...

In 1977 the Dallas Cowboys were 1st in overall offense for the entire NFL, Roger Staubach passed for an average of 187 yards per game-- Taking the stats from 2006, that average would rank no higher than 10th FROM THE BOTTOM. Drew Pearson has the "huge" total of 48 receptions.

So when someone says, "Well Drew Bledsoe has ranked up over 43,000,000,000,000 passing yards"-- let's keep the context of era's in mind.

And I'm sure we'll get a knucklehead that suggests that Bledsoe is better than Staubach because Bledsoe had more passing yards. Ugh.

 

[Hostile]

The thing fans either didn't witness or conveniently forget is that the NFL prior to the 16 game season and the changing of the pass defense rules was a much different league.

This should show how much the league has changed when it comes to passing offense...

In 1977 the Dallas Cowboys were 1st in overall offense for the entire NFL, Roger Staubach passed for an average of 187 yards per game-- Taking the stats from 2006, that average would rank no higher than 10th FROM THE BOTTOM. Drew Pearson has the "huge" total of 48 receptions.

So when someone says, "Well Drew Bledsoe has ranked up over 43,000,000,000,000 passing yards"-- let's keep the context of era's in mind.

And I'm sure we'll get a knucklehead that suggests that Bledsoe is better than Staubach because Bledsoe had more passing yards. Ugh.

Of course someone will claim that. Just like the claims Aikman was only a bus driver, Namath and Archie Manning weren't great QBs, etc. You have to know the History of the game to respect it.

 

[Frosty]

It don't really matter how many yards Bledsoe has thrown for, The Botom line is Parcels went out and got Bledsoe. Fully understanding his downside and that he needed the protection to do the job.. Parcels has done a totally crappy Job of getting the personnel to protect him. Parcels wants to recreate the old ravens approach to football,,,, WIN with defense and thats going now where fast, Parcels is washed up and the Cowboys are feeling the wrath

Clean house Jerry....

 

[Kilyin]

The hatred is strong in this thread, Skywalker. I am by no means a Deadslow fan, but I'm still pulling for him, even if part of me suspects he will come up short down the stretch.

I think Parcells knows all too well what Bledsoe's limitations and weaknesses are. His own ego (thinking he can 'coach around' the deficiencies) and personal relationship are what get in the way.

We won't see Romo this year, this ship sails or sinks with Bledsoe.

 

[Hostile]

The hatred is strong in this thread, Skywalker. I am by no means a Deadslow fan, but I'm still pulling for him, even if part of me suspects he will come up short down the stretch.

I think Parcells knows all too well what Bledsoe's limitations and weaknesses are. His own ego (thinking he can 'coach around' the deficiencies) and personal relationship are what get in the way.

We won't see Romo this year, this ship sails or sinks with Bledsoe.

Good post K.

 

[Vegas_Cowboy]

If you want to 7-9 with Romo than be my guest....Bledsoe is our best chance period.

I would much rather watch Romo go 7-9 and let him take his "first year lumps," as you said earlier in this thread, so he can be ready to make a run next year, rather that watch Bledsoe go 9-7 and miss the playoffs by one game again. At some point we need to see what Romo has so we know where we stand with the QB situation. If we wait until 07 to start Romo, we would have to wait until 08 (assuming he has to take his "first year lumps") to see what he can really do. Then if he stinks it up, we'll have to draft a QB and let him take his "first year lumps" and so on and so on and so on.

I've noticed that there are two types of football fans in this world.
1. The instant gratification fan. He wants to sacrifice whatever it takes to try and win one Super Bowl this year consequences and future be damned.
2. The dynasty fan. He wants to take the longer road and try to win 2 or 3 Super Bowls in a decade. I fall under the latter and it seems like alot of people fall under the former. Now i'm not saying that Tony Romo is going to lead us to 2 or 3 Super Bowls but I know Bledsoe can't and at some point were going to have to find the guy that has that potential and the interview process starts with Tony Romo.

 

[SloppyOctopuss]

I would much rather watch Romo go 7-9 and let him take his "first year lumps," as you said earlier in this thread, so he can be ready to make a run next year, rather that watch Bledsoe go 9-7 and miss the playoffs by one game again. At some point we need to see what Romo has so we know where we stand with the QB situation. If we wait until 07 to start Romo, we would have to wait until 08 (assuming he has to take his "first year lumps") to see what he can really do. Then if he stinks it up, we'll have to draft a QB and let him take his "first year lumps" and so on and so on and so on.

I've noticed that there are two types of football fans in this world.
1. The instant gratification fan. He wants to sacrifice whatever it takes to try and win one Super Bowl this year consequences and future be damned.
2. The dynasty fan. He wants to take the longer road and try to win 2 or 3 Super Bowls in a decade. I fall under the latter and it seems like alot of people fall under the former. Now i'm not saying that Tony Romo is going to lead us to 2 or 3 Super Bowls but I know Bledsoe can't and at some point were going to have to find the guy that has that potential and the interview process starts with Tony Romo.

Then count me as option 1....because I know that Bledsoe is our best chance to win this season.

People keep thinking because Brady replaced Bledsoe and went on to win 3 superbowls that Romo is another God in the making. Sure Romo has shown he has the skills it takes to make it in this league, but at a preseason level...nothing more. Let's not kid ourselves...Tom Brady was an anomoly, yet we think Romo is going to step right into this team and lead us to a superbowl?

I'm all for the future, and if Romo is the guy than so be it...But right now I want to win with a proven veteran that's already won two conference title games...I know the critics will say Bledsoe hasn't led a team to the playoffs this decade, but facts are facts regardless.

One game, one loss...at least 15 more to play...we have a lot of talent on offense and when we gel in a few weeks the critics will be silenced.