Blitz the Defensive Coordinator, keep the offense

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Rod Marinelli has forgotten more about defense and football than anyone on this forum and more than anyone else in Dallas, so I always hesitate to make snap judgements that might look foolish the next year, but.......................

I agree, he's got to go!

I get the base defense and the philosophy of bend but don't break and make teams earn those points by executing on long TD drives, but ****** man, we're going down the crapper week after week, watching our season drift away, and that prick won't take a chance and blitz!

Sometimes when you have a team backed up on it's goal line, it's worth selling out and trying to make them punt to midfield. Sometimes, the blitz rushes a QB into a poor decision or an errant throw that becomes a turnover; sometimes the QB or the RB get drilled for a fumble; sometimes the blitz brings about a holding call.

Even on the high school level, we hated playing inferior teams that would sell out and blitz a lot because you might win on big plays, but you had to count on those big plays because they never let you get into your comfort zone of x's and o's and just executing or following a game plan, so until you had a nice lead, you were nervous as hell. Never in the history of the Dallas Cowboys, not even when we had Ed Jones, Harvey Martin, and Randy White did we ever blitz as seldom as we do now. Not only does it mean the offense can just sit back and stick to the game plan they came in with, nickel and diming us up and down the field, the QB standing in the pocket all day at times, but they also know on every play what their damn run game blocking assignments are. We don't make the QB audible; we don't make the line change their blocking; we don't even pretend to show blitz and back out of it.

Why isn't McClain blitzing? At least it would get his lazy slow butt out of everyone's way and occupy a blocker!
Where's the safety blitz? We used to occasionally line both safeties up over the center and one would back out at the snap, making a delay in the C/G knowing which guy to block, and sometimes we'd send both...sometimes they'd both drop back in coverage, but then the middle of the OL was late giving help to the the other guys. When Scandrick went down, we abandoned the Corner blitz altogether!

Blitzing isn't just about sacking the QB or even rushing him into mistakes or incompletions, it also mucks up the running game; it makes the OL, RB, TE, WRs, and QB come to the line on every play looking for certain players, wondering if it's coming from here, there, or nowhere. It creates doubt. Yes, the greatest QBs beat it and make plays. But it also creates 3 and outs and turnovers.

It's every freakin' week we just sit in that vanilla base defense, maybe trying to disguise coverage in the secondary, but when there's little pass rush, that disguise effort ends up hurting us more than the offense as guys are late getting to their areas. I'm not looking at data, but I'm betting Marinelli blitzes less than 5% of the time and at the bottom of the league. You've lost 6 games in a row, but you've been close in all but one, and he won't even blitz the dang Eagles when they're gassing our defense up and down the field!

I love the 4-3, and I think we do have on paper the best defenders we've had in while right now, with a mixture of young guys who may turn it on in the next couple of years. It's time to bring in a young guy who is somewhere between the Ryan brothers' "blitz till it kills one of us" and Marinelli's "the base defense works if everyone does his job perfectly and my rushmen beat the OL" mentalities.

I don't feel the same way about the offense. Romo is still our QB for the next 2-3 years at least, and I seriously doubt that he wants to change the offense that he can now run in his sleep. It's been infuriating this year with our backups, but when Romo returns with Dez, this offensive system is still our best option.
 

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Even the vanilla defense is not getting it done. Maybe we need smarter players. This years d has regressed to what it was a few years ago. Where is all this talent at, and why are they not producing.

Next year several players need replaced regardless of anything else.
Carr, Heath, Wilber to start. Church possibly, if a replacement is found, but i am ok to keep him, but not to start. Still think Wilcox can play S if Jones, or someone else can be a true FS.
Cut Carr, sign Mo. Draft a CB and S.

And those players are just a start.
 

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I agree. Rod has forgotten more than I have.

He's been living off the nicknames for years. Even though that's awesome at some point it has to wear off.

But our problem isn't coaching. It's terrible talent evaluation that did us in this year.
 

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I agree. Rod has forgotten more than I have.

He's been living off the nicknames for years. Even though that's awesome at some point it has to wear off.

But our problem isn't coaching. It's terrible talent evaluation that did us in this year.

Your probably half right in that our CB's/DB's suk or are they put into position to suk? My own opinion is they are just average to poor players the FO thought they could ride with since our front 4 was going to be so spectacular. However those up the middle stunts/blitzes that we were burned on throughout the last 2 quarters in last Sunday's game were called by someone without a clue on the sideline. Or the eagle offense was reading our signals. I don't think Bradford is smart enough to read to his kids at night so there you have it.
 

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Even the vanilla defense is not getting it done. Maybe we need smarter players. This years d has regressed to what it was a few years ago. Where is all this talent at, and why are they not producing.

Next year several players need replaced regardless of anything else.
Carr, Heath, Wilber to start. Church possibly, if a replacement is found, but i am ok to keep him, but not to start. Still think Wilcox can play S if Jones, or someone else can be a true FS.
Cut Carr, sign Mo. Draft a CB and S.

And those players are just a start.

Agree with exception to signing Mo (unless he signs a Waterboy's contract). Mo's coverage skills are average to bad and the worst is his tackling skills. He's worse than Carr which is embarrassing. They both refuse to go low and wrap up so they go high and give up another 4 to 5 yards waiting for pursuit. Honestly I can't see how they can face their teammates in film or on the sideline with their wimpy technique, I used to play Safety and any CB that dodged a tackle in game or practice would be ostracized and eventually replaced.
Sorry for the rant. I just HATE a wimpy DB. Oh yes Deion was not a good tackler but he made up for it with amazing coverage skills so he gets a break. Carr and Mo can't do either very well. Church will wrap up but he's lousy in coverage so I agree with you. Wilcox, on the bubble with Church IMO.
 

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Rod Marinelli has forgotten more about defense and football than anyone on this forum and more than anyone else in Dallas, so I always hesitate to make snap judgements that might look foolish the next year, but.......................

I agree, he's got to go!

I get the base defense and the philosophy of bend but don't break and make teams earn those points by executing on long TD drives, but ****** man, we're going down the crapper week after week, watching our season drift away, and that prick won't take a chance and blitz!

Sometimes when you have a team backed up on it's goal line, it's worth selling out and trying to make them punt to midfield. Sometimes, the blitz rushes a QB into a poor decision or an errant throw that becomes a turnover; sometimes the QB or the RB get drilled for a fumble; sometimes the blitz brings about a holding call.

Even on the high school level, we hated playing inferior teams that would sell out and blitz a lot because you might win on big plays, but you had to count on those big plays because they never let you get into your comfort zone of x's and o's and just executing or following a game plan, so until you had a nice lead, you were nervous as hell. Never in the history of the Dallas Cowboys, not even when we had Ed Jones, Harvey Martin, and Randy White did we ever blitz as seldom as we do now. Not only does it mean the offense can just sit back and stick to the game plan they came in with, nickel and diming us up and down the field, the QB standing in the pocket all day at times, but they also know on every play what their damn run game blocking assignments are. We don't make the QB audible; we don't make the line change their blocking; we don't even pretend to show blitz and back out of it.

Why isn't McClain blitzing? At least it would get his lazy slow butt out of everyone's way and occupy a blocker!
Where's the safety blitz? We used to occasionally line both safeties up over the center and one would back out at the snap, making a delay in the C/G knowing which guy to block, and sometimes we'd send both...sometimes they'd both drop back in coverage, but then the middle of the OL was late giving help to the the other guys. When Scandrick went down, we abandoned the Corner blitz altogether!

Blitzing isn't just about sacking the QB or even rushing him into mistakes or incompletions, it also mucks up the running game; it makes the OL, RB, TE, WRs, and QB come to the line on every play looking for certain players, wondering if it's coming from here, there, or nowhere. It creates doubt. Yes, the greatest QBs beat it and make plays. But it also creates 3 and outs and turnovers.

It's every freakin' week we just sit in that vanilla base defense, maybe trying to disguise coverage in the secondary, but when there's little pass rush, that disguise effort ends up hurting us more than the offense as guys are late getting to their areas. I'm not looking at data, but I'm betting Marinelli blitzes less than 5% of the time and at the bottom of the league. You've lost 6 games in a row, but you've been close in all but one, and he won't even blitz the dang Eagles when they're gassing our defense up and down the field!

I love the 4-3, and I think we do have on paper the best defenders we've had in while right now, with a mixture of young guys who may turn it on in the next couple of years. It's time to bring in a young guy who is somewhere between the Ryan brothers' "blitz till it kills one of us" and Marinelli's "the base defense works if everyone does his job perfectly and my rushmen beat the OL" mentalities.

I don't feel the same way about the offense. Romo is still our QB for the next 2-3 years at least, and I seriously doubt that he wants to change the offense that he can now run in his sleep. It's been infuriating this year with our backups, but when Romo returns with Dez, this offensive system is still our best option.

Looking at Sturm's stats, our D has blitzed 14% of pass plays on the year (through Seattle game...Philly stats not in yet). Against Seattle, BTW, we blitzed 6% of the plays (two 5 man rushes on 32 plays).
 

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Agree with exception to signing Mo (unless he signs a Waterboy's contract). Mo's coverage skills are average to bad and the worst is his tackling skills. He's worse than Carr which is embarrassing. They both refuse to go low and wrap up so they go high and give up another 4 to 5 yards waiting for pursuit. Honestly I can't see how they can face their teammates in film or on the sideline with their wimpy technique, I used to play Safety and any CB that dodged a tackle in game or practice would be ostracized and eventually replaced.
Sorry for the rant. I just HATE a wimpy DB. Oh yes Deion was not a good tackler but he made up for it with amazing coverage skills so he gets a break. Carr and Mo can't do either very well. Church will wrap up but he's lousy in coverage so I agree with you. Wilcox, on the bubble with Church IMO.

Carr always goes too low, and players just need to shuffle their feet a little, or jump over him (murray), and they're gone. He tries to tackles everyone's ankles.
 

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Maybe our players just aren't that good.

Last year's defense overachieved, I think that is pretty evident. It was helped a lot by a ball control offense and limited exposure. A sputtering offense this year and this goes back to even when Romo was healthy in the first week, they get exposed.

In a way, I can only guess why there is the regression. Most of the players, plus more. But different. I do think we focused a lot on pass rush (not paying off) and seemed to move more to press bail/man versus softer zones. Without question they have been hammered to not give up the big plays since Romo has been hurt and they are fulfilling that for the most part. But teams have figured out you can nickel and dime them to death.

They appear to struggle how to turn that safe mode off and playmaking mode on late in games to seal the deal. That is hard to ask for. Biggest trend is we seem to be a lot more aggressive defensively on the first few drives. That is usually all but gone late in games.
 

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If it's 3rd and long, we get blitzed pretty much all the time and it's effective against us. Non blitzing teams even do it.
 

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Marinelli might want to start by getting rid of or limiting Golden Cock's snaps and then conditioning the rest of those Lineman so they can last 4 quarters.
 

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Agree with exception to signing Mo (unless he signs a Waterboy's contract). Mo's coverage skills are average to bad and the worst is his tackling skills. He's worse than Carr which is embarrassing. They both refuse to go low and wrap up so they go high and give up another 4 to 5 yards waiting for pursuit. Honestly I can't see how they can face their teammates in film or on the sideline with their wimpy technique, I used to play Safety and any CB that dodged a tackle in game or practice would be ostracized and eventually replaced.
Sorry for the rant. I just HATE a wimpy DB. Oh yes Deion was not a good tackler but he made up for it with amazing coverage skills so he gets a break. Carr and Mo can't do either very well. Church will wrap up but he's lousy in coverage so I agree with you. Wilcox, on the bubble with Church IMO.

And while Deon didn't put himself in harm's way to lay any wood, I never saw him miss a tackle....he'd grab the jersey or something, but you never saw him miss.
 

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The fact that our defense is gassed on every 4th quarter points to poor coaching. So does the allowing McClain to come in overweight and out of shape.
 

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I don't know if the problem is Marinelli's D because it has to go against Garrett's O in practice, and we know how awesomely vanilla the latter is.
 

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Problem with our defense is that Rod's scheme is based on CBs who can play zone well and tackle well. We have CBs that fit Ryan's scheme which is based on CBs who can play man well.
 

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Another coordinator thrown under the bus to cover up Garrett.
 
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