Blitz the Defensive Coordinator, keep the offense

lostar2009

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I guess he play zone to generate turnovers if the front 4 can cause havoc. With all the pieces we invested in this Dline it should work. But Mincey, Dlaw has vanish and Gregory is not healthy. I only notice one player play and that's Hardy. You can't do a whole lot if the pass rush isn't there.
 

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2012 Bears: 1st in the NFL with 44 takeaways...3rd in points allowed...top 10 in sacks & vs. the run

2014 Cowboys: 2nd in the NFL with 31 takeaways...8th vs. the run

In his last 2 DC gigs...Marinelli's defenses have forced a combined 75 takeaways, to finish 1st & 2nd respectively.

Last season, guys like Ro. McClain & T. Crawford played much better than they have this season. Durant was playing very well prior to his injury...and Carter notched 5 Int's on his own.

This season...too many guys have underperformed. The only guys making a difference on the DL right now are Hardy and Irving. Law is inconsistent...and T. Crawford has been underwhelming thus far. Gregory has of course been injured and on a pitch count since returning. The LB's are not what we thought. McClain has simply been one of the bigger disappointments on defense IMO...and Lee once again is dealing with injuries. Byron Jones has been a nice surprise with all they've thrown at him, and Claiborne has rebounded a bit. They continue switching between White and Patmon at NCB.
 

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My guess is he doesnt blitz more because he has figured out the secondary and LBs have a propensity for giving up the big plays behind them in pass coverage. Hard to argue when the NO and Phi games ended that way.
 

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Even when they do blitz, they're not getting to the qb nearly enough. The bottom line is that this defense plays hard but they fade fast, make dumb mistakes, and can't get turnovers. I've never seen anything like it, and I don't want to again.
 

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Problem with our defense is that Rod's scheme is based on CBs who can play zone well and tackle well. We have CBs that fit Ryan's scheme which is based on CBs who can play man well.

If this is in fact true. It certainly says a lot about the defecencies of our CB's.
 

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I agree. Rod has forgotten more than I have.

He's been living off the nicknames for years. Even though that's awesome at some point it has to wear off.

But our problem isn't coaching. It's terrible talent evaluation that did us in this year.
No it's the coaching, i'm sick of us cutting players because they "can't play" then they go somewhere else and become productive.
 

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If this is in fact true. It certainly says a lot about the defecencies of our CB's.

Our secondary in general aren't good tacklers. Church used to be the only one that was real good at it but for some reason he hasn't been this year.
 

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Rod Marinelli has forgotten more about defense and football than anyone on this forum and more than anyone else in Dallas, so I always hesitate to make snap judgements that might look foolish the next year, but.......................

I agree, he's got to go!

I get the base defense and the philosophy of bend but don't break and make teams earn those points by executing on long TD drives, but ****** man, we're going down the crapper week after week, watching our season drift away, and that prick won't take a chance and blitz!

Sometimes when you have a team backed up on it's goal line, it's worth selling out and trying to make them punt to midfield. Sometimes, the blitz rushes a QB into a poor decision or an errant throw that becomes a turnover; sometimes the QB or the RB get drilled for a fumble; sometimes the blitz brings about a holding call.

Even on the high school level, we hated playing inferior teams that would sell out and blitz a lot because you might win on big plays, but you had to count on those big plays because they never let you get into your comfort zone of x's and o's and just executing or following a game plan, so until you had a nice lead, you were nervous as hell. Never in the history of the Dallas Cowboys, not even when we had Ed Jones, Harvey Martin, and Randy White did we ever blitz as seldom as we do now. Not only does it mean the offense can just sit back and stick to the game plan they came in with, nickel and diming us up and down the field, the QB standing in the pocket all day at times, but they also know on every play what their damn run game blocking assignments are. We don't make the QB audible; we don't make the line change their blocking; we don't even pretend to show blitz and back out of it.

Why isn't McClain blitzing? At least it would get his lazy slow butt out of everyone's way and occupy a blocker!
Where's the safety blitz? We used to occasionally line both safeties up over the center and one would back out at the snap, making a delay in the C/G knowing which guy to block, and sometimes we'd send both...sometimes they'd both drop back in coverage, but then the middle of the OL was late giving help to the the other guys. When Scandrick went down, we abandoned the Corner blitz altogether!

Blitzing isn't just about sacking the QB or even rushing him into mistakes or incompletions, it also mucks up the running game; it makes the OL, RB, TE, WRs, and QB come to the line on every play looking for certain players, wondering if it's coming from here, there, or nowhere. It creates doubt. Yes, the greatest QBs beat it and make plays. But it also creates 3 and outs and turnovers.

It's every freakin' week we just sit in that vanilla base defense, maybe trying to disguise coverage in the secondary, but when there's little pass rush, that disguise effort ends up hurting us more than the offense as guys are late getting to their areas. I'm not looking at data, but I'm betting Marinelli blitzes less than 5% of the time and at the bottom of the league. You've lost 6 games in a row, but you've been close in all but one, and he won't even blitz the dang Eagles when they're gassing our defense up and down the field!

I love the 4-3, and I think we do have on paper the best defenders we've had in while right now, with a mixture of young guys who may turn it on in the next couple of years. It's time to bring in a young guy who is somewhere between the Ryan brothers' "blitz till it kills one of us" and Marinelli's "the base defense works if everyone does his job perfectly and my rushmen beat the OL" mentalities.

I don't feel the same way about the offense. Romo is still our QB for the next 2-3 years at least, and I seriously doubt that he wants to change the offense that he can now run in his sleep. It's been infuriating this year with our backups, but when Romo returns with Dez, this offensive system is still our best option.

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Keep the O and get rid of the only decent coach we have?? Brilliant plan!

More like scrap the O and move into the 21st century and the D will be just fine!
 

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Our secondary in general aren't good tacklers. Church used to be the only one that was real good at it but for some reason he hasn't been this year.

Totally agree. He was one of the better surer tacklers and I think he's just beat up. I was hoping for more from him this year too. As for Carr, Mo and Wilcox, I hope they are all replaced next year. Perhaps these players can find a system that suits their "skills" elsewhere but if we keep Marinelli and his defensive strategy, I cut those 3 loose and start working with Oscan, Church and Jones in next years lineup.
 

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Problem with our defense is that Rod's scheme is based on CBs who can play zone well and tackle well. We have CBs that fit Ryan's scheme which is based on CBs who can play man well.

that's just another sorry excuse, they've been in this system for 3 years, they should have learned the techniques by now. Furthermore,when they play press coverage, they get beat even worse then they do in zone. WRs are always wide open against our defense. And one post in this thread mentions Wilcox is okay at safety..... really? This is the worst safety in football. Heath and McCray are better. Wilcox has no instincts for the position, is always out of position, takes bad angles and hurts our own players more than theirs. There's a reason he is no longer starting, and hopefully plays less on defense as the season continues.
 

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that's just another sorry excuse, they've been in this system for 3 years, they should have learned the techniques by now. Furthermore,when they play press coverage, they get beat even worse then they do in zone. WRs are always wide open against our defense. And one post in this thread mentions Wilcox is okay at safety..... really? This is the worst safety in football. Heath and McCray are better. Wilcox has no instincts for the position, is always out of position, takes bad angles and hurts our own players more than theirs. There's a reason he is no longer starting, and hopefully plays less on defense as the season continues.

I am not making any excuses for Rod. Just stating the fact that his scheme is predicated on having zone CBs that tackle well.

And I'm not sure why you are posting about Wilcox to me since I wanted him benched since begining of last year. I said he is as bad if not worse than Heath last year considering Heath played like every snap (ST and Defense).

Also, I said our CBs suck at zone.

JG and FO did Rod no favors by keeping these CBs and expect him to do well with them.
 

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I'd have to lean towards the D having poor conditioning. We've won time of possession 4 straight games with 2 where the D was on the field for 25 mins or less. Meanwhile we have posts about how Tony looks fat from time to time.
 
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