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How important is it for Dallas to pursue a cornerback this season, such as Asomugha?

When a team only has a single or two corners that play at a top level, teams will then attack their third and fourth roster players consistently.

Asomugha additionally, only plays the right side of the field...so, considering Dallas and it's current roster, what would be the best approach for them?
 
Name a team that has great 3rd and 4th corners.

Our corners, I think, are above average. Where we really trail off is safety play.

It's fairly obvious we'll be going after a free safety. I think we'll have another free agent acquisition on the d-line.

The secondary is a funny place. A lot of things can influence the effectiveness of your secondary besides the receivers actual covering ability.

I think we'll keep the current roster and add a safety or two. I don't believe the dropoff in 2010 was from a lack of talent. An improved scheme and pass rush will go a long way.
 
CCBoy;3991358 said:
How important is it for Dallas to pursue a cornerback this season, such as Asomugha?

When a team only has a single or two corners that play at a top level, teams will then attack their third and fourth roster players consistently.

Asomugha additionally, only plays the right side of the field...so, considering Dallas and it's current roster, what would be the best approach for them?

I think you're over-simplifying things.

I feel that if you can man-up on one side of the field, your defense can then dictate where the offense can throw the football, giving them a huge advatnage.

Much like when the Cowboys had Deion Sanders, he could cover one side of the field and you can scheme to cover the other side more effectively and creatively.

One only need look at Rex Ryan and the Jets and how the use Revis.

If it's economically feasible, I'm all for signing Asomugha.
 
those with little football knowledge always underestimate the importance of good safety play.
 
gmoney112;3991371 said:
Name a team that has great 3rd and 4th corners.

Packers with Tramon Williams (Pro-Bowl), Woodson (DPOY 2009), and Sam Shields go 3 deep. That's probably the best set of corners 1-3.

I dunno if any team measures up when looking at corners 1-4.

Your point is taken -- it is rare. The Packers depth at corner certainly contributed to them winning the Superbowl.
 
burmafrd;3991465 said:
those with little football knowledge always underestimate the importance of good safety play.

And those suffering from true ignorance always think they know more than they actually do.
 
The whole defense needs to be fixed not just the cb position. Hopefully Ryan does that.
 
CCBoy;3991358 said:
How important is it for Dallas to pursue a cornerback this season, such as Asomugha?

When a team only has a single or two corners that play at a top level, teams will then attack their third and fourth roster players consistently.

Asomugha additionally, only plays the right side of the field...so, considering Dallas and it's current roster, what would be the best approach for them?

CC, Asomugha has played LCB for years in Oakland. I don't see any reason why he couldn't man that spot again if the coaches (for whichever team he goes to) wanted him to.

Most teams don't have a pair of top level corners, a few are lucky to have just one. The idea is if you can shut down one side of the field you're dictating how the other team plays offense, which makes them more predictable.
 
You can NO longer shut down half the field with ONE CB. Too many teams are using 3 WR sets much of the time.
 
burmafrd;3991658 said:
You can NO longer shut down half the field with ONE CB. Too many teams are using 3 WR sets much of the time.

Hmmm, fair enough, Asomugha simply shuts down whichever reciever he's covering.
 
Not important. It is far more important that we find legitimate players for the Safety positions and re-sign Doug Free.
 
Getting a good safety would be more beneficial to our D than getting Nnamdi.
 
We already have one cornerback over 30 (TNew), and when he's not hurt he ALWAYS plays at a pro bowl level. Yes, I said PRO BOWL level. Alot people forget that for two seasons TNew only gave up one TD in 32 games, but he never recieved a Pro Bowl appearance. Mike Jenkins and TNew both were pro bowlers just a year removed. OScan is a serviceable #3 CB. AOA, McCann, and Thomas are young guys. Let's see what they can do first and worry about CB IF its a problem this year, and address it in the draft. Our Defensive needs are safety and DE now. IMO with good defensive play calling and a good set of safeties this defensive will return to it 2009 form.
 
realtick;3991781 said:
Hmmm, fair enough, Asomugha simply shuts down whichever reciever he's covering.

Teams now realistically have to have 3 quality CBs; the SS position is slowly disapearing. I can see a time soon when you will be starting 3 CBs and 1 FS.
 
Like others have said, Safety is a much bigger need. I think we'll address the Safety position and cross our fingers that Jenkins bounces back... if not then I guess it's good for us that next year's corner class is excellent.
 
stasheroo;3991422 said:
I think you're over-simplifying things.

I feel that if you can man-up on one side of the field, your defense can then dictate where the offense can throw the football, giving them a huge advatnage.

Much like when the Cowboys had Deion Sanders, he could cover one side of the field and you can scheme to cover the other side more effectively and creatively.

One only need look at Rex Ryan and the Jets and how the use Revis.

If it's economically feasible, I'm all for signing Asomugha.

You missed what was my point...and that was to point towards differences in types of cornerbacks and also the importance of depth at this particular position. As with a top quality linebacker who can actually cover a tight end up field and on the run, there is quality involved with corners as well. Asomugha is glued into his side of the field. Teams can then just limit focus by their quarterback to overloads in the other side of the field.

Name the real and complete cover corners and one probably has only Revis. As he covers any receiver all over the field. He is a shut down corner. Asomugha is just a step below that, granted, but he presents a different skill set even here.

As I pointed towards in the opening post, even with a single or pair of good corners, teams will still circumvent this and attack team's third and fourth corners until they can shut the door. The same with a tight end not being coverred by a team's weak linebacker or poorly skilled safety.

Teams will slaughter that secondary even with a very good number one or two corners.

Now, considering the Cowboys:

I feel that Terrence Newman is not far off the upper echelon of corners when he is fully healthy. That is a strong corner.

I feel that both Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick are very solid corners in a league wide consideration.

I still have reservations as to addition that Alan Ball brings at the low end of this consideration. Adding, say an Asomugha would expand very dramatically, the effect they as a group would present do an opposing team. Even a lower level skillset added to this group, would be important in a coverage set.

Burma was target on, in the coverage skills being added by a safety. This very reason is why Huff is getting a lot of attention in a consideration with the Dallas secondary.

The need for a dominant and strong tackling strong safety could be mitigated by the fact that Terence Newman makes a tremendous amount of tackles for a corner. Then, if Asomugha were mixed in, he makes a huge amount of tackles as well.

This would add to a very strong group in coverage, as well as negate the need for an 'additional' strong safety effect on early and running downs situations in a defensive series of downs.

As Burma attested, the effect of coverage is important in this type of consideration, and with carry over skills of tackling being premium in any downgraded view.

The league is now a passing league, that should NOT be missed in an examination of what should constitute ability within that group.

From all accounts, obviously the Cowboys need a quality coverage safety. That is why I am so high on Huff becoming a Cowboy. I have confidence in Gerald Sensabaugh to hold up in a 'zone defense' type setting.

The Zone can take away a team's ability to adjust receivers to set up a particular coverage ability of a team's secondary.

Myself, I'm not real high on Ball. He to me, is the Cowboy's 'weakest link.' I was not impressed with his over-the-top coverage, even in a Zone.

Here, I'll defer to you, to establish his projected merit on a shorter distance zone participation in the defense. I don't know. Would his strengths better serve a job in this reduced zone at corner?

But a rock hard set of corners would make adaptation inclusive of safety positional players from the arena of need or even lacking in ability to shut off what propells opponent teams the most. The passing game throughout an entire set of plays in a series.

Healthy, I am happy with Newman, Jenkins, and Scandrick. I also like what Sensabaugh brings to the safety position. But there are two other considerations to add...and one well could still be at corner.
 
a ball hawk safety and an improved pass rush will do wonders for our corners. Not even Nnamdi can cover for 5 seconds with no safety help consistently.
 
casmith07;3992055 said:
Not important. It is far more important that we find legitimate players for the Safety positions and re-sign Doug Free.

1st resign Free to a 5 yr

2 get some safty in here which ever one Ryan likes

3 I would like to bring in say an Eric Wright (CLE)

just in case Jenkins or Newman go down
 
To best cover the passing attacks, here is the concept behind it:

*(from KC Joyner's article on cornerbacks)

'There's a Bill Walsh saying that you can't hide a weakness on defense, and the Cowboys have several weaknesses on defense. If you have a corner who can't handle picks, we'll run picks his way. If he's not fast, we'll run nine routes at him all day long. Whatever it is, we'll find a way to go after your guy and to beat him.

That's the problem in Dallas. Jenkins was a liability last season but I still think there was something physically wrong with him. If he gets back up to his ceiling, and that's possible because he's not old; if you can get a solid free safety. Not a superstar, but just a solid free safety and then you get solid play from Orlando Scandrick as you did last year. Now those deep passes are gone.

If you cut 3, 4, 500 yards off the totals, you're probably adding a couple of wins.'

http://www.cowboyszone.com/2011/07/finding-cornerback-bang-for-dallas-free.html
 

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