Board question on Giant game

[CCBoy]

How should Rob Ryan approach his pass defense against the Giants?

Should he go to a lot of man coverage to bring the heat up front? Should he do a lot of man off and attempt to pull the plug on long plays and scoring. Or should he approach coverage to make short passes much harder to complete?
And then rely upon man up to defend against the deep ball.

 

[Doomsday101]

How should Rob Ryan approach his pass defense against the Giants?

Should he go to a lot of man coverage to bring the heat up front? Should he do a lot of man off and attempt to pull the plug on long plays and scoring. Or should he approach coverage to make short passes much harder to complete?
And then rely upon man up to defend against the deep ball.

I think it is always best when you give different looks that opposed to staying with one look all day. Caughlin will still want to run the ball and if they can be effective doing it they will become a much harder team.

 

[ShiningStar]

How should Rob Ryan approach his pass defense against the Giants?

Should he go to a lot of man coverage to bring the heat up front? Should he do a lot of man off and attempt to pull the plug on long plays and scoring. Or should he approach coverage to make short passes much harder to complete?
And then rely upon man up to defend against the deep ball.

whatever it takes to win, this question also requires a simple answer, hes not paid on style, hes paid to make the defense work, if that means moving, confusing or dare i say HIT THE QB, he'll do whatever it takes to win and not worried about who do what. If taking the QB's head off works, STICK WITH IT, if takign the qbs head off and he changes tactic, kill the DC. Its relatively simple.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I would say cover 2 play by the safeties and man up on the outside receivers with alot of nickel and dime play to help cover the middle of the field with an extra DB. Try to press the receivers and disrupt their routes early to give the pass rush a chance to get their, with safety help over top.

 

[JohnsKey19]

How should Rob Ryan approach his pass defense against the Giants?

Should he go to a lot of man coverage to bring the heat up front? Should he do a lot of man off and attempt to pull the plug on long plays and scoring. Or should he approach coverage to make short passes much harder to complete?
And then rely upon man up to defend against the deep ball.

There is no 1 answer. If he does one or the other, we'll get repeatedly burned. Ryan has to mix up his coverages and pressure schemes. As we've seen, our personnel isn't good enough to sit back in one scheme/approach and be successful. Ryan needs to help the players out with his gameplanning.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think it is always best when you give different looks that opposed to staying with one look all day. Caughlin will still want to run the ball and if they can be effective doing it they will become a much harder team.

Yea, i have yet to see many of these crazy looks or lots of pre snap movement that he is supposedly known for. Not sure what the problem is.

 

[kmd24]

In the past, Eli has had the most success against us when we played man coverage. In fact, I recall that he was asked what we did to confuse him after the game in NY last year and he replied, "They played zone." I can't find the quote anywhere, so I could be mistaken.

 

[BHendri5]

what he should do is meet with his defense and challenge them to hold, stop, stifle, disrupt, limit and anyhting else that will keep them from scoring more points than what our offense puts on the score board.

If they want to play man to man, then he needs to have the DBs manup, holdup and stop their assigned man.

He also needs to have Scandrick and Jenkins man the outside and Newman the slot, although Victor Cruz is a very elusive guy.

He should also challenge everyone to wrap up and to knock the crap out of the giants RBs, especially Jacobs, Bradshaw is a tough guy, but Jacobs he will start to tiptoe and then he will eventually tiptoe to the sidelines where he will spend a lot of time.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

From what I see, whether we play man or zone, our secondary gives up the same kind of yardage. And like last year, when the pressure is not there up front they prove to be a coverage-liability, whether in zone or a nam scheme.

So I would force them to play man up and basically stack the line with 8 men. That puts 3 DBs on 3 WRs (or 3 on 2), and if they send out 4 (a TE) then a LB would have ot read that first before coming in to rush. This 8 man fronting will also help temper their run game.

Basically, Eli Manning is a damn good QB (I hate admitting that) so the best thing to do is pressure him because his passes are off when that happens. And if he releases erratic thorows early to escape pressure, then the DBs MUST be in position for the INTs.

Basically we need to play them this way because this is how they will play us for the very same reasons. The team that wins will be the one whose QB threw the ball away after one missed read or took the sack; the loser will be the QB who tries to be a hero with his arm abd ends up thriwing picks. Both QBs are prone to having hero-envy. It's up to Romo to control himnself in this game because Eli alwas tries to be the hero (he just doesn't get criticised for it, even though he's worse than Romo at it, becuase he's not a Dallas Cowboy).

 

[noshame]

Gilbride will take a page out of Reids playbook and design plays to attack holes in the defense, man coverage may be our best option.

 

[cowboys2233]

How should Rob Ryan approach his pass defense against the Giants?

Should he go to a lot of man coverage to bring the heat up front? Should he do a lot of man off and attempt to pull the plug on long plays and scoring. Or should he approach coverage to make short passes much harder to complete?
And then rely upon man up to defend against the deep ball.

Honestly, I've always thought the cover two is the most effective type of defense, overall. Just don't allow any receivers to get deep and force them to dink and dunk their way down the field. That was really evident in the Patriots game on both sides, neither team was allowed to go deep and the whole game was filled with check downs, screens, etc.

Playing man-to-man is just too scary these days with the way they're calling PI. But if playing man-to-man, play it tight and jack them off the line. It's the only opportunity a defensive back has to make contact with the receiver, might as well make use of it.

 

[sonnyboy]

There is no 1 answer. If he does one or the other, we'll get repeatedly burned. Ryan has to mix up his coverages and pressure schemes. As we've seen, our personnel isn't good enough to sit back in one scheme/approach and be successful. Ryan needs to help the players out with his gameplanning.

There is no 1 answer. You need to mix it up every week, especially in today's game. Too many rule changes in favor of offense and against physical play.

Even the best defenses facing weaker offenses can't afford to run the same scheme play after play and win on talent.

With that said, I want to see a good mix erroring on the side of caution. More zone and cover two, less biltzing or anything that puts us at risk and or have trouble defending this.......

Deep passes and screens.

I think we'll do real well offensively. We'll move the ball on the ground, in the air, 3-5 yards at a time and in big chunks. And we're going to do well in the red zone.

On defense we need to minimize the big play. Let them drive the field and kick FGs. We just have to be patient. Let 4 rushers get the pressure and play sound behind them.
We don't need TOs to win this game. So no sense in taking risks to get them. Lets just make the Giants earn every point.

 

[Doomsday101]

Honestly, I've always thought the two-deep zone is the most effective type of defense, overall. Just don't allow any receivers to get deep and force them to dink and dunk their way down the field. That was really evident in the Patriots game on both sides, neither team was allowed to go deep and the whole game was filled with check downs, screens, etc.

Playing man-to-man is just too scary these days with the way they're calling PI.

In my view if you play zone you know the WR will make catches in the seams I can live with that as long as you make them pay the price by making solid tackles.

I think it is a bit harder to do since you can't intimidate WR since the league has gone to the defenseless WR BS. Years past guys like Woodson would clean your clock now you can't put the big hit without giving up the 15 and it makes the zone coverage less effective

 

[cowboys2233]

In my view if you play zone you know the WR will make catches in the seams I can live with that as long as you make them pay the price by making solid tackles.

I think it is a bit harder to do since you can't intimidate WR since the league has gone to the defenseless WR BS. Years past guys like Woodson would clean your clock now you can't put the big hit without giving up the 15 and it makes the zone coverage less effective

Eh, it's still worth the 15 yards. When a guy like Woodson or Roy W. hit a receiver, that receiver was done for the day. I'll trade 30 yards of personal fouls to see Cruz and Nicks with smelling salts on the sidelines.

 

[Doomsday101]

Eh, it's still worth the 15 yards. When a guy like Woodson or Roy W. hit a receiver, that receiver was done for the day. I'll trade 30 yards of personal fouls to see Cruz and Nicks with smelling salts on the sidelines.

Might not be a bad trade off. :laugh2:

 

[cowboys2233]

Might not be a bad trade off. :laugh2:

Now that I think about it, which teams have intimidators like Darren and Roy back there these days? I honestly can't think of any of the top of my head. What happened to all the Roys, Woodsons, Lynchs and Rodney Harrison's?

 

[sonnyboy]

From what I see, whether we play man or zone, our secondary gives up the same kind of yardage. And like last year, when the pressure is not there up front they prove to be a coverage-liability, whether in zone or a nam scheme.

So I would force them to play man up and basically stack the line with 8 men. That puts 3 DBs on 3 WRs (or 3 on 2), and if they send out 4 (a TE) then a LB would have ot read that first before coming in to rush. This 8 man fronting will also help temper their run game.

Basically, Eli Manning is a damn good QB (I hate admitting that) so the best thing to do is pressure him because his passes are off when that happens. And if he releases erratic thorows early to escape pressure, then the DBs MUST be in position for the INTs.

Basically we need to play them this way because this is how they will play us for the very same reasons. The team that wins will be the one whose QB threw the ball away after one missed read or took the sack; the loser will be the QB who tries to be a hero with his arm abd ends up thriwing picks. Both QBs are prone to having hero-envy. It's up to Romo to control himnself in this game because Eli alwas tries to be the hero (he just doesn't get criticised for it, even though he's worse than Romo at it, becuase he's not a Dallas Cowboy).

I respect what you saying here, but disagree with most except Manning. He's a dam good QB and he's playing as well as I've seen him......that sucks!

But there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Every QB hates pressure, every QB plays poorer under pressure. But the only thing worse for a QB than pressure, is no where to go with the ball.

Good QB's like Manning and Romo thrive when you send 6 or 7 guys. It just makes their job easier. OH ya here comes 7! Just let me find that extra defender with my periphial vision and bang! There goes the quick pass to my hot receiver. It's like stealing!

We need to pick our spots for the blitz. I've always favored it in situations where there is a higher tendency for the offense I'm facing to go play action pass.
Nothing better than a slightly delayed blitz that the QB doesn't see til he finishes his fake and the defender is in his lap.

I'd like to see a lot of read type delayed blitzes. An extra DB and LB are the designated blitzers and blitz after Manning takes the snap and IF he turns his back to the LOS to hand off for a run.

If it's a run, as it more often will be, we may get better penetration to create a small loss. If it is a play action pass than we may just have a defender running free at Mannning with a great chance for the big hit, strip and fumble.

 

[Stautner]

I believe right now the Giants offense is playing pretty well, so I don't think we can afford to be passive. And I don't think we can rely on our DB's to play man with Nicks, Cruz, Manningham etc ...... Giving different looks is a huge key, and of course Eli can be pressured into some mistakes. Anything we can do to confuse and pressure Eli is a plus.

 

[sonnyboy]

Now that I think about it, which teams have intimidators like Darren and Roy back there these days? I honestly can't think of any of the top of my head. What happened to all the Roys, Woodsons, Lynchs and Rodney Harrison's?

They all went broke paying fines.

 

[Doomsday101]

Now that I think about it, which teams have intimidators like Darren and Roy back there these days? I honestly can't think of any of the top of my head. What happened to all the Roys, Woodsons, Lynchs and Rodney Harrison's?

The league rules put the hammer down on them. These guys are not just getting hit with the 15 they are being fined so after a while the only one who is affaid of the big hit over the middle in the DB