Board question on Giant game

Stautner;4295407 said:
I believe right now the Giants offense is playing pretty well, so I don't think we can afford to be passive. And I don't think we can rely on our DB's to play man with Nicks, Cruz, Manningham etc ...... Giving different looks is a huge key, and of course Eli can be pressured into some mistakes. Anything we can do to confuse and pressure Eli is a plus.

and make the damn tackle. None of this arm grabbing where the ball carrier picks up an extra 20 or 30 yards because a guy did not wrap up. I want to see 3 and 4 guys getting after the ball carrier. Don't stand around watching get that runner down
 
sonnyboy;4295411 said:
They all went broke paying fines.

I would be all for starting a fund that doesn't lighten the wallets of hard-hitting, intimidating safeties. I realize the rules have changed and there is more of a premium on coverage abilities, but you can't tell me there isn't still value in destroying receivers over the middle. Folks always talk about top-flight cover corners who can "shut down" their third of the field. Guys like Roy and Woodson shut down the middle third of the field because no receiver in their right mind would go over the middle with any kind of motivation with guys like that lurking back there.

Ryan Clark of the Steelers is the first one that comes to mind, he's got that same intimidating, heavily-fined hitting style.
 
Doomsday101;4295417 said:
and make the damn tackle. None of this arm grabbing where the ball carrier picks up an extra 20 or 30 yards because a guy did not wrap up. I want to see 3 and 4 guys getting after the ball carrier. Don't stand around watching get that runner down

You not on board with the Deangelo Hall school of tackling? I can't even tell you many times I saw that guy simply trying to rip the ball out and watching our receivers/running backs gain five extra yards because of it. Why that guy is still employed, I'll never know.
 
cowboys2233;4295422 said:
I would be all for starting a fund that doesn't lighten the wallets of hard-hitting, intimidating safeties. I realize the rules have changed and there is more of a premium on coverage abilities, but you can't tell me there isn't still value in destroying receivers over the middle. Folks always talk about top-flight cover corners who can "shut down" their third of the field. Guys like Roy and Woodson shut down the middle third of the field because no receiver in their right mind would go over the middle with any kind of motivation with guys like that lurking back there.

Ryan Clark of the Steelers is the first one that comes to mind, he's got that same intimidating, heavily-fined hitting style.

Rules committe did this and guys are doing what they can to play by the rule.

Lynch was saying the same thing, tackles guys were taught early on in their football careers are now outlawed and you will get fined if it continues you will get suspened for a game or more.

I think it sucks but this is the world they live in now
 
cowboys2233;4295429 said:
You not on board with the Deangelo Hall school of tackling? I can't even tell you many times I saw that guy simply trying to rip the ball out and watching our receivers/running backs gain five extra yards because of it. Why that guy is still employed, I'll never know.

Frank Walker had a missed tackle in the Cards game guy scampers for an extra 20 to 25 yards we can't have that. I like the job Walker is doing for the most part but him and others need to get after the ball carrier and others need to be hustling to the ball to help out.
 
kmd24;4295300 said:
In the past, Eli has had the most success against us when we played man coverage. In fact, I recall that he was asked what we did to confuse him after the game in NY last year and he replied, "They played zone." I can't find the quote anywhere, so I could be mistaken.

I have a similar recollection.
 
For this game, the big play and long score are the most dangerous with the Giant receivers and Eli Manning....of course, in my sight.

That means that both safeties would have to be strongly involved in a top umbrella. And handle both sides of the field completely. This would take away from the run defense, somewhat.

Myself, I would leave Terrence Newman on the slot receiver and always with an inside positioning to make a play on quick throws. I would give him an early read and a later responsibility, in his man covereage. Double moves would be what he personally is responsible in man coverage and react either way. Give him a simple role...inside pass deflection/interception, or guarding against the deep pass and breaking it up.

I would then break the field up in two halves. That being the box area with linemen and linebackers, and the secondary. That would cover some of the sliding adjustments between the two, from Eli Manning. On running plays, I would call a lot of stunts and blitzes that would bring in four to five players even if it were play action.

Acting independently, somewhat, the linebackers can have multiple roles and move into pass coverages that assists the lanes for the secondary. Carter and Sean Lee should be pretty effective in a deeper role for coverage.

A half-time adjustment would be all important. As the tendencey to pull the plugs and for Manning to sling the leather deep being dependent upon whether they were going for the away game juglar, or to catch up. Otherwise, if they were ahead, and trying to dominate the field and clock, the safeties would be moved up and responsible for play action as before. But push the need for third and longs.

I'm thinking that the Cowboys should force Eli to throw the short pass and bring the heat upon him. May Eli be patient and walk the ball down the field all night, and put the pressure on the Giants to arrive at a viable running game, and not just for the start of the game.

But whether or not the Cowboy secondary has to do their job with or without handcuffs, is dependent upon the Dallas offense. This is one game where the offensive line has to show up at the start of the game, and win a whole game fight for dominance within the NFC East. It's on their shoulders to fight it out this very game. No excuses up front any longer there. In the offensive line's interior, it's either make the grade now, or move along after the season's over.

Even with turnovers, their play is paramount for moving the ball and scoring. That will dictate final outcomes...in my book. The defense is good enough, if there aren't additional burdens continually mounted upon their load.
 
The defensive outcome will depend on our DL consistently pressuring and hitting Eli. When Eli is hit he will make mistakes.

We also have to vary things up so that he can never be confident about what he is seeing on the field.

If we play too passive Eli will pick our secondary apart with pressure.

If we play too aggressive he will quickly find the 1-on-1 matchups against Walker/Ball and TNew that he wants and exploit the man coverage oppontunities he gets.

I actually think the key to this game is our offense. The Giants will score 28+ points against this defense. Our offense will have to be on the top of their game to counter. We killed them last year with screens and deep passes when they became too aggressive. We will need to do the same this year. Felix and Dez were the keys to victory last year and will be important keys again this year. The Giants have a heck of a time matching up against these two guys. Felix due to his speed in the open field and Dez due to the physical mismatch against their depleted secondary.
 
Dallas Cowboys Fan;4296207 said:
Zone coverage.

Mr. (ALL TALK no show) Rob Ryan better learn to stop the run first then figure out how to help TNEW from getting burned. The Giants always seem to attack two areas of the Cowboys, the run defense and TNEW. They will force the cowboys to stop the run game where Brandon Jacobs always runs hard and torments the boys and secondly, they will attack TNEW, let him get flat footed and ELi will burn him with the deep pass. Happens every year.
 
noshame;4295319 said:
Gilbride will take a page out of Reids playbook and design plays to attack holes in the defense, man coverage may be our best option.

He can try but Gilbride don't have Vick and McCoy to implement Reids playbook.
 

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