Bob's blog; 1310---His take on # 31

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Alexander;1637310 said:
The solution is not to bench him.

The player we have in reserve is worse (Keith Davis). But the point with 3rd down is correct. It shouldn't be a problem if he is pulled for that duty. Until he shows he can make plays blitzing or in coverage, his role should be reduced if things do not change.

Overall, what needs to be done is change the way that Williams is handled. He needs to be challenged. He needs to be held and assume more accountability. He should be offended and angered that his area is constantly being targeted.

I don't know what is being said behind closed doors, but if it is anything like the enabling comments from his mouth and also the staff's then it is clear we are not taking steps to correct it.

There comes a time and place where the simple "you don't know" isn't a valid or useful explanation.

Teams are targeting his areas. Whose "fault" it is does not even matter. It is there. It is happening. If we continue to shift blame that still isn't solving the problem.

There is a problem, whether it is Williams, or the communication between him and others. It needs to be worked on, not ignored or excused.


Absolutely.

I'm not one to pile on, but there is a problem. Like many, I have been critical of the safety play here for a while now - and not just the performance of our strong safety. All around, it's been less than stellar.

Certainly, the opening touchdown to Burress was not the fault of Roy Williams. But big plays continue to occur. People continue to get lost in coverage. We do not play the ball well.

Who's fault is it? Once the opponent is lining up for extra points, does it matter?

I want to believe this defense will get better, and it very well might. Naturally our personnel will become better acquainted with the scheme, the blitz packages, timing, etc. Hopefully, we can add a relatively healthy Terence Newman to that mix soon enough.

Still, offenses know what they're targeting on our defense. Hell, it's there for all to see. And while Phillips/Stewart could utilize Roy Williams closer to the line of scrimmage, more in-the-box, he will still be called on to cover quite a bit.

The deepest third of this defense is what it is. Both guys in back can definitely lay the wood, and that's nice. Personally, I would trade some of that capability in exchange for limiting big plays.
 

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stilltheguru;1637983 said:
Honestly. I think he was trying not to get beat by a juke by Shockey. Shock is a very good athlete and if he got by Roy on that play it was off to the races. Its not like when Marion Barber had that run on the sideline with nowhere to go and he trucked Corey Webster. Now if Roy was in that situation with Shockey and got trucked then i would never hype Roy up again. But that didnt happen. I will say Roy pisses me off giving Shockey that much cusion. But his tackle didnt really bother me it was the coverage. I taped the game and watched it again. Roy was trying to knock heads off. Maybe you should watch it again because the way he was throwin his body around i highly doubt hes protecting a shoulder injury. But anyway Dolphins are DEAD. Basically. And watch on Sunday all over this thread..........


"ROYYYYYYYYYYYYY" "Roy is a beast".yea yea
Hey...I am a Cowboy fan...and I don't care who is wearing the star...If they are TRYING and making plays, I am cheering and happy as h*ll...I am not COMPELTELY down on Roy...but at this point and time ROY, AND Bradie James..AND Anthony Henry...AND Marcus Spears are just guys runnnig around making big money...they are NOT who we THINK they are...and that is why we have given up an average of 32 points in our last 5 games
 

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superpunk;1637996 said:
I appreciate your open-mindedness.

Does it really matter if he has huge games vs scrub teams if he continues to get owned by the better ones?
 

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bbailey423;1638030 said:
Hey...I am a Cowboy fan...and I don't care who is wearing the star...If they are TRYING and making plays, I am cheering and happy as h*ll...I am not COMPELTELY down on Roy...but at this point and time ROY, AND Bradie James..AND Anthony Henry...AND Marcus Spears are just guys runnnig around making big money...they are NOT who we THINK they are...and that is why we have given up an average of 32 points in our last 5 games

If they really are the problem, then I would support at least a temporary benching, for them to get their heads straight, get embarassed, and come out pissed off.

I'm just not entirely sure at this point that we have anyone on defense worth a damn past Ware, Newman and Ferguson. And two-thirds of that group isn't playing.

I think anyone would be hard pressed to find anyone who has defended Roy more than I have. But what can you say about the other night? He was bad.

But some people act like he was the only one. None of them showed up to play defense on Sunday night.
 

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Doomsday;1638034 said:
Does it really matter if he has huge games vs scrub teams if he continues to get owned by the better ones?

He had two INTs against good teams last year, and another one in the playoffs. You don't seem to care about that. There's never two sides to the "Roy sucks" barrage of his detractors. At least the fans that support him can admit when he's playing poorly.
 

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Im just saying. We are in a new defense and NOBODY really played that great. Give it more than 1 week to throw this defense under the bus. It could be worse. We couldve given up 23 yards per catch like another defense with a new coordinator. Please watch the game again. The plays were there to be made, you just have to be a little patient. From week 2 on you are going to see the defense grow. They deserved that performance for karma reasons. Yes, Parcells held the players back, but they didnt all have to come out and talk about it. They have been humbled. Now its time to dominate starting with the Miami Dolphins.

I would be soooooooooo shocked if Roy didnt have a big impact on this game.
 

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stilltheguru;1637950 said:
This is just disgusting to read. First when Newman had a tiny slump everyone was talking about how garbage he is and how we shouldve got Leftwhich. Now every Cowboy fan is on his jock HARD. Now Roy should be benched, he sucks, blah blah blah. Bottom line, if Roy Williams got hurt i guarantee everybody in here running their mouths would be crying for him to get healthy. This cat had a bad game, probrably the worst game of his career. SO WHAT? Everybody is allowed a game like this. I know some are gonna say "its not just this game he always sucks in coverage". Well he may have gotten beat in the past but so does every other safety in the league. Just so happens he got pretty embarassed last night. I say all of this to ask one question.


Why is everybody jumping on Roys neck after Week 1?

I guess Saints fans think Reggie Bush still sucks at running the ball. NOT!

Its WEEK 1!

I guarantee you Roy will not play anywhere near as bad as he did last Sunday. Its a reason he has gone to 4 straight pro bowls. Shouldve been 5. AND WILL BE 6 BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.


Bench Roy?????????? Just ridiculous. This thread just proves once again that Cowboy fans either love Roy Williams or they love to hate him.
OK, WE GET YOUR POINT. hehe

We'll check back with you in a couple of weeks. But be prepared for a barrage if nothing has changed. Roy can still play physical even if his coverage skills are sub-standard. But there is no excuse for both being the case. :eek:
 

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InmanRoshi;1637626 said:
I thought we were already playing Roy at LB in dime packages, with Watkins and Hamlin as the deep safeties.

We were. Some people just don't watch the game closely.
 

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For all the BS about Roy and his bad game, he led the team in tackles. To me that may be due to whats going on upfront. So what he got blasted by shockey, he made the tackle. Shockey was 5/41 0 tds.
week1.jpg


RW is still the man.

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ive defended Roy SOME not a lot the last couple days saying that while he did play like garbage that it wasnt all his fault because he was put in bad spots because of the injury to Newman and the Giants have great playmakers. but still if the freaking Dolphins are able to Own Roy then he might as well go home and stay there for the rest of the season!!! there would be no excuse for him not having a great game against them!
 

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I love having Roy on this team but he did not have a good game and gave up some plays as well. As I said earlier I have no doubts that Roy will come up big in other games this season but as for the Giants game Roy like many others had a very poor game.
 

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Da Hammer;1638102 said:
ive defended Roy SOME not a lot the last couple days saying that while he did play like garbage that it wasnt all his fault because he was put in bad spots because of the injury to Newman and the Giants have great playmakers. but still if the freaking Dolphins are able to Own Roy then he might as well go home and stay there for the rest of the season!!! there would be no excuse for him not having a great game against them!



^^I am probrably the biggest RW fan in the world and i have to agree on that. If the Dolphins abuse him im done.
 

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Doomsday101;1638112 said:
I love having Roy on this team but he did not have a good game and gave up some plays as well. As I said earlier I have no doubts that Roy will come up big in other games this season but as for the Giants game Roy like many others had a very poor game.

I agree. Woodson said it best: Roy is a game changer when the action is in front of him. He is not good in zone coverage.

Hopefully TNew will help the whole secondary.

I do think he can make up for his apparent lack of coverage skills by become a smarter football player (film study).
 

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Haley94;1638137 said:
I agree. Woodson said it best: Roy is a game changer when the action is in front of him. He is not good in zone coverage.

Hopefully TNew will help the whole secondary.

I do think he can make up for his apparent lack of coverage skills by become a smarter football player (film study).

True. Anyone who watched Roy at OU and his 1st couple of years in Dallas should understand this. Roy is a playmaker when you can keep him closer to the line of scrimmage and allow him to attack. I think he can improve on his pass coverage skills on the deep balls but that is not his strenght. While I like Roy a lot I will not make excuses for him and from what I saw Sunday night he along with most everyone on D played poorly.
 

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Doomsday101;1638172 said:
True. Anyone who watched Roy at OU and his 1st couple of years in Dallas should understand this. Roy is a playmaker when you can keep him closer to the line of scrimmage and allow him to attack. I think he can improve on his pass coverage skills on the deep balls but that is not his strenght. While I like Roy a lot I will not make excuses for him and from what I saw Sunday night he along with most everyone on D played poorly.

Unfortunately you cannot get by as a safety in this league by only being able to make plays when attacking at the line.You need to be able to hold up your end in coverage and if you can't you will be toasted in the pass happy new NFL.#31 is being exposed as an undersized linebacker trying to play safety.
 

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Vtwin;1638215 said:
Unfortunately you cannot get by as a safety in this league by only being able to make plays when attacking at the line.You need to be able to hold up your end in coverage and if you can't you will be toasted in the pass happy new NFL.#31 is being exposed as an undersized linebacker trying to play safety.

Well Roy also had 5 ints last season and created some big plays for us. Will he get beat at times yes but he also makes big game changing plays.
 
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