Boise State Throws Down The Gauntlet

[rkell87]

You shouldn't drop Baylor because Baylor is actually good in other sports. People need to get over TCU. They would be the Baylor of the Big 12 in football if Baylor never came into the league.

tcu puts out good players and is well coached, and lets face it football is where the money is at. yeah had they been in baylors spot in the big 12 they would never have got this good but they have now and recruit good prospects and graduate players. if they want to be contenders and want to be in the big 12 i think the big 12 should consider it.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Beat Boise St. and they drop like a rock in the polls, lose and your season is screwed. No benefit for schools that actually have to play more than one tough game a year. If there was some great benefit teams would be lining up to play them.

Utah and Boise State playing in their Super Bowls against teams that are playing in their consolation games just doesn't mean as much to me as it does to some people.
TCU should be in the Big 12. TCU is not going to wipe the field with anyone in the top 5 except maybe Boise State.
Boise State, get rid of the stupid blue field.

To claim something is pointless. You have to do it. TCU is in the top 4, either Texas, Florida, or Alabama should be forced to play them next year and prove that TCU won't wipe the floor with them.

A lot of these big schools don't want to play TCU, Boise State, Utah and others BCS buster teams, because it blocks them out of the ability to play for a Championship. If these teams don't beat the elite BCS teams, they can in no way be considered to play for the BCS championship unless all the top teams lose. Even though, it doesn't ensure anything.

Look at Alabama last year. They ended up being forced to accept playing Utah in the Sugar Bowl and Utah wiped the floor with Alabama!

 

[Hoofbite]

Boise state is probably looking at another Fiesta bowl appearance.

 

[DIAF]

Strength of schedule improvement, relative to the cupcakes most of the BCS conference contenders bring in to play for their out of conference matchups.

And why not bring in BSU in, beat them soundly, get them off their backs, and end talk of their "system" needing to give non-AQs a shot?

Maybe because they saw BSU suffocate a terrific Oregon offense two years in a row?
Or because they saw BSU dominating Oklahoma for most of the '07 Fiesta Bowl (what most people don't remember about that game) before the fantastic finish?
Maybe because of what Utah did to Alabama?
Maybe because the BCS conferences understand that this year's TCU team could wipe up the field with any team in the Top 5?

Arkansas and Georgia brought BSU in several years ago while they were still building their program and beat them pretty good.

I don't see those schools stepping up to play BSU now.

When Georgia brought BSU in to play in 2005, they were not just building their program, they were pretty damn good and ranked in the top 20. At that point, BSU had only lost like 6 games in the past 4 years or something and a lot of people were picking an upset.

 

[peplaw06]

Texas played TCU in 2007.... and the Horns won 34-13.

 

[joseephuss]

Texas played TCU in 2007.... and the Horns won 34-13.

TCU opened the 2005 season at OU and won. TCU played OU again just last year and lost.

 

[Phoenix]

Boise State, get rid of the stupid blue field.

Ah yes, the Smurf Turf. Watching that right now against Nevada...the players in blue tend to disappear lol. I don't really like it either.

As for the 2011 challenge, Boise St called out the Big Boy schools with that almost unheard of challenge of not having a return game, and none of them have the guts to accept. Boise St has a legitimate beef here. Their coach said recently that (paraphrasing) "Hey, you guys all say we don't deserve to be in the Championship game because of who we play. Well, the challenge is out there, and nobody will accept. So I don't want to hear that BS any longer."

 

[2much2soon]

Beat Boise St. and they drop like a rock in the polls, lose and your season is screwed. No benefit for schools that actually have to play more than one tough game a year. If there was some great benefit teams would be lining up to play them.

Utah and Boise State playing in their Super Bowls against teams that are playing in their consolation games just doesn't mean as much to me as it does to some people.
TCU should be in the Big 12. TCU is not going to wipe the field with anyone in the top 5 except maybe Boise State.
Boise State, get rid of the stupid blue field.

You sound like a sterotypical, BCS conference front-runner. Get used to the fact that the times are changing.

And, TCU sure wiped up the field with BSU last year. If you consider a 1 point win due to a missed chip-shot field goal by BSU "wiping up the field". And that was a BSU team that was 80% freshmen and sophomores.

 

[jimmy40]

You sound like a sterotypical, BCS conference front-runner. Get used to the fact that the times are changing.

And, TCU sure wiped up the field with BSU last year. If you consider a 1 point win due to a missed chip-shot field goal by BSU "wiping up the field". And that was a BSU team that was 80% freshmen and sophomores.

OK so TCU can't wipe the field with anyone. Who is BSU's rival? Idaho?

 

[DFWJC]

Most good non-BCS confernce teams already want to play anyone anywhere. It has been that way forever it seems. I guess at some point some want to scedule home and home or at worst 2 away and one home, but they all want to play the BCS teams.

When they are criticized for lack of schedule strength it's due to their conference schedules. Take an East Carolina for example: they play West Virgina, Virginia Tech, UNC, etc...but they also have to play in C-USA and it's pretty weak. Boise has that same problem. TCU's is not quite as bad b/c the MWC has a few ranked teams in it....yet TCU still usaully play 1-2 of the better BCS teams.

Bottom line as always is that College Football is a joke by not having a playoff. SI.com (I think) lists a bracket each weak showing what a 16 team playoff would look like if they had one at that time. it always gets me pumped to see it. 16 teams may be too big, but just seeing the layout reminds me of how silly it is to not settle this on the field.

While Boise St (or even TCU) could possibly beat anyone in a one game scenario, I highly doubt that a they could win 3-4 straight games vs top ranked teams to win a tourney. But we will never know until we settle it on the field.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ah yes, the Smurf Turf. Watching that right now against Nevada...the players in blue tend to disappear lol. I don't really like it either.

As for the 2011 challenge, Boise St called out the Big Boy schools with that almost unheard of challenge of not having a return game, and none of them have the guts to accept. Boise St has a legitimate beef here. Their coach said recently that (paraphrasing) "Hey, you guys all say we don't deserve to be in the Championship game because of who we play. Well, the challenge is out there, and nobody will accept. So I don't want to hear that BS any longer."

Guys, they want 1.2 Million Dollars Guaranteed to play anybody. That's a lot of DOE but they won't guarantee a home and home with the same level of compensation. This is not just Boise St. asking to play the big boys. This is them wanting to cash in.

 

[Phoenix]

Bottom line as always is that College Football is a joke by not having a playoff. SI.com (I think) lists a bracket each weak showing what a 16 team playoff would look like if they had one at that time. it always gets me pumped to see it. 16 teams may be too big, but just seeing the layout reminds me of how silly it is to not settle this on the field.

Wow. Didn't know about this. Thanks.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/11/22/college.football.poll/index.html



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[Hoofbite]

BSU's gonna grab the Fiesta bowl again. Aside from being obvious, I talked to a good friend of mine with solid ties and that was pretty much the word on the street.

Oklahoma needed to knock Oklahoma State out of the mix. I think there might have been some implications with the Georgia/Georgia Tech game but while watching the BSU game the other night the announcers made no mention of it so that angle might have been cut out.

Any how, looks like its gonna be Iowa or Penn State. I think they go Penn State. Iowa may have beaten Penn State but with Iowa's QB being hurt and status uncertain, I don't see how Iowa could get the nod.

I mean, they should get the nod between the two teams. In a just system they would because they beat Penn State but everyone knows the BCS is not just.

Not only does the BCS need good games, the BCS is in dire need of a team to beat BSU badly in the bowl game to help end some of the talk about small schools in the title game.

With or without their QB, I think Boise would stand a good chance at beating Iowa. Very good chance.

Penn State, I dunno. Be interesting to see how it shakes out.

 

[Hoofbite]

Guys, they want 1.2 Million Dollars Guaranteed to play anybody. That's a lot of DOE but they won't guarantee a home and home with the same level of compensation. This is not just Boise St. asking to play the big boys. This is them wanting to cash in.

Who doesn't want to cash in? Every program is looking for the money.

It'd be foolish of Boise State to play for pennies against just any school willing to accept their challenge.

Having that money out there eliminates the bull crap that would follow an acceptance from some no-name school trying to get some attention. If they are willing to do it for free, anyone can accept just to get the attention and if it were some unheard of school, Boise would take a beating if they refused to play them. Well, maybe not against some 100% no-name school but if some team that was notoriously average in a bigger conference stepped up, Boise would almost have to take it.

Money isn't the issue.

As much as I hate it, jimmy is right. Teams just don't see ANY benefit at all in playing Boise. Beating them would be viewed no better than beating the local high school team and losing to them would end any shot of Championship.

Sucks for Boise but that's how it is. Pretty stupid if you ask me. If the BCS is going to hang their hat on the fact that small schools don't play anyone then the BCS should at least provide a "someone" for the small school to play.

But, they won't and really I'm not sure I blame them too much. Small schools typically make small runs and disappear. If you set up a game even the following year, there's no guarantee that the small school will be able to produce what they had the year prior. By the time the game rolls around, you could have the big program playing a junior varsity team.

Pretty much a problem with the system. I would like to see a playoff as much as the next guy but I know that small schools would probably get shafted in the rankings and be left out in that system as well. If you're going to take the top 16, small schools probably won't crack 20.

The BCS is a crock of **** in every possible way. Too much money involved for it to be an honest system.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Who doesn't want to cash in? Every program is looking for the money.

It'd be foolish of Boise State to play for pennies against just any school willing to accept their challenge.

Having that money out there eliminates the bull crap that would follow an acceptance from some no-name school trying to get some attention. If they are willing to do it for free, anyone can accept just to get the attention and if it were some unheard of school, Boise would take a beating if they refused to play them. Well, maybe not against some 100% no-name school but if some team that was notoriously average in a bigger conference stepped up, Boise would almost have to take it.

Money isn't the issue.

As much as I hate it, jimmy is right. Teams just don't see ANY benefit at all in playing Boise. Beating them would be viewed no better than beating the local high school team and losing to them would end any shot of Championship.

Sucks for Boise but that's how it is. Pretty stupid if you ask me. If the BCS is going to hang their hat on the fact that small schools don't play anyone then the BCS should at least provide a "someone" for the small school to play.

But, they won't and really I'm not sure I blame them too much. Small schools typically make small runs and disappear. If you set up a game even the following year, there's no guarantee that the small school will be able to produce what they had the year prior. By the time the game rolls around, you could have the big program playing a junior varsity team.

Pretty much a problem with the system. I would like to see a playoff as much as the next guy but I know that small schools would probably get shafted in the rankings and be left out in that system as well. If you're going to take the top 16, small schools probably won't crack 20.

The BCS is a crock of **** in every possible way. Too much money involved for it to be an honest system.

They want that amount to play in any game, not just BCS. It's always about money. Yeah, everybody wants to make money, that's true but when your screaming to everybody who will listen that nobody will play you but you turn around want 1.2 to play but won't commit to a home and home well, don't tell me it's not about money.

 

[jimmy40]

BSU should guarantee that any money would be used to get a grown up field to play on.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The BCS is a crock of **** in every possible way. Too much money involved for it to be an honest system.

Very true. What I get tired of is the "well it's better than it used to be" line of BS. Until there is a playoff system where a true championship is won on the field instead of the polls any system is a joke.