Bonds Did It

[Big Dakota]

good

now I hope he chokes to death

Can we get a few festering boils first??

 

[locked&loaded]

i dont know if it was mentioned but what does everyone things about the so called mechanical device in his elbow pad.

 

[CowboyJeff]

I doubt if anyone truly knows. Maybe Mickey Mantle or Reggie Jackson.

Per the tour director of the Yankee Stadium tour I took back in May 2007, it was Josh Gibson. He said it was a mammoth shot that left the stadium. Truth? Fiction? Who knows.....

 

[joseephuss]

i dont know if it was mentioned but what does everyone things about the so called mechanical device in his elbow pad.

I haven't heard of a mechanical device in his elbow pad.

I know they talk about the armor he wears and how it can be an unfair advantage for him or any player that puts on so much padding. I thought MLB was looking at changing the rules that limited how much protection they could wear. It doesn't seem to have changed most players attire.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Per the tour director of the Yankee Stadium tour I took back in May 2007, it was Josh Gibson. He said it was a mammoth shot that left the stadium. Truth? Fiction? Who knows.....

No record of it in the history books. Could of happened but you would figure that there would be some record of something like that somewhere. Nothing ever reported on it. Who knows?

 

[CowboyJeff]

No record of it in the history books. Could of happened but you would figure that there would be some record of something like that somewhere. Nothing ever reported on it. Who knows?

If it's true, I wonder if it wasn't properly documented for a reason. Think about it: Here's a black baseball player in the 1930s hitting a baseball farther than any white baseball player. That's pretty much heresy back then.

 

[locked&loaded]

I haven't heard of a mechanical device in his elbow pad.

I know they talk about the armor he wears and how it can be an unfair advantage for him or any player that puts on so much padding. I thought MLB was looking at changing the rules that limited how much protection they could wear. It doesn't seem to have changed most players attire.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003621797

 

[Rampage]

he just hit 757 tonight

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I'm really mixed about this record. I'm a baseball fan first before any other sport.

I knew Barry Bonds in the early 90s and can tell you the person I knew then isn't he one portryayed in the media today but can also tell you that he's changed.


Once upon a time, ball players were like sailors, a girl in every port. They played ball, answered the media questions then went about their lives. Bonds saw this growing up in the game. If Bobby walked into a bar, everybody there lined up to buy him a drink and when he left with a girl, everyone went home and bragged that they drank with a ball player. Barry walks into a bar and everyone's looking for an autograph they can sell on ebay. If he leaves with a girl, it's in the paper the next morning complete with pictures thanks to cell phone cameras.

Barry is much more jaded today.


We all know that Bonds took steroids. It's part of grand jury testimony that's been leaked. He claims it was unknowingly but he took them none the less.


The important question that's never been asked is whether Bonds knowingly took HGH. It's not normal for someone to gain three shoe sizes in their thirties, nor is it normal to gain 7/8 in hat size. 'Roids doesn't account for that.

The biggest stain on Bonds is inside the numbers though. His HR/AB increased by an incredible 57% after he turned 35. Aaron's dropped by 48% by comparison.

The best way to compare HR hitters is by comparing them to the "average" for their eras. Ruth is a God by that comparision. He once hit more HRs than any other team in the league.

The pro-Aaron argument is the insane pitching of his era. Many point to Bob Gibson's 1.12 ERA before the mound was raised but few remember that sub 2.00 ERAs weren't the exception.






*** The longest official HR ever at Yankee Stadium was one Mantle put off the facade on the upper deck that was estimated at over 540'. There's been a rumor that Bob Muesel hit one out of the stadium in BP but that's never been substantiated.

 

[joseephuss]

If it's true, I wonder if it wasn't properly documented for a reason. Think about it: Here's a black baseball player in the 1930s hitting a baseball farther than any white baseball player. That's pretty much heresy back then.

That theory is possible. It would not surprise me if that were true.

I haver heard the story of Gibson's HR in Yankee Stadium before. There are several stories out there of monster home runs in Yankee Stadium and other stadiums, but most are just stories. For some reason many of these home runs are not officially recorded. Maybe a case of poor record keeping. Gibson hit so many mamouth home runs that people may not have thought it was important to record each one.

 

[joseephuss]

I'm really mixed about this record. I'm a baseball fan first before any other sport.

I knew Barry Bonds in the early 90s and can tell you the person I knew then isn't he one portryayed in the media today but can also tell you that he's changed.


Once upon a time, ball players were like sailors, a girl in every port. They played ball, answered the media questions then went about their lives. Bonds saw this growing up in the game. If Bobby walked into a bar, everybody there lined up to buy him a drink and when he left with a girl, everyone went home and bragged that they drank with a ball player. Barry walks into a bar and everyone's looking for an autograph they can sell on ebay. If he leaves with a girl, it's in the paper the next morning complete with pictures thanks to cell phone cameras.

Barry is much more jaded today.


We all know that Bonds took steroids. It's part of grand jury testimony that's been leaked. He claims it was unknowingly but he took them none the less.


The important question that's never been asked is whether Bonds knowingly took HGH. It's not normal for someone to gain three shoe sizes in their thirties, nor is it normal to gain 7/8 in hat size. 'Roids doesn't account for that.

The biggest stain on Bonds is inside the numbers though. His HR/AB increased by an incredible 57% after he turned 35. Aaron's dropped by 48% by comparison.

The best way to compare HR hitters is by comparing them to the "average" for their eras. Ruth is a God by that comparision. He once hit more HRs than any other team in the league.

The pro-Aaron argument is the insane pitching of his era. Many point to Bob Gibson's 1.12 ERA before the mound was raised but few remember that sub 2.00 ERAs weren't the exception.






*** The longest official HR ever at Yankee Stadium was one Mantle put off the facade on the upper deck that was estimated at over 540'. There's been a rumor that Bob Muesel hit one out of the stadium in BP but that's never been substantiated.

The amount of times he is walked and walked intentionally plays a part in his HR to AB ratio. A walk does not count as an At Bat. It does however give him a clue as to how the pitcher is throwing that day, gives him a read on his throwing motion, the speed on the fast ball, the break on his breaking pitches and how he is being pitched. Bonds walked so much during his big HR total seasons that his official At Bats is less than 500 each season.

His walks don't explain it all. There is obviously a performance enhancing factor, but the walks do play a part in the stats.


Did you mean before the pitching mound was lowered when talking about Gibson? The higher the mound, the better for the pitcher. It was lowered in 1968 from 15" to 10" and has been at that height since.

 

[WoodysGirl]

PFT slays me sometimes

HITTING THE NFL PAUSE BUTTON
We don't follow baseball and pay little or no attention to it, but we had to stop for a second to share this picture we received of the Barry Bonds' rookie card.
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We have no idea who made it, and we suspect that it's one of those things that will migrate on the web as rampantly as that picture of a dog trying to bite Mike Vick in the *** as he runs out of bounds.​

Still, we laughed our ***es off over this one.​

 

[03EBZ06]

he just hit 757 tonight

If he plays next year, and that is a big if, He'll surpass 800 HRs.

 

[Rampage]

man! he just hit 758!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If it's true, I wonder if it wasn't properly documented for a reason. Think about it: Here's a black baseball player in the 1930s hitting a baseball farther than any white baseball player. That's pretty much heresy back then.

Well, I read an article from a guy who looked into it. He looked at the history books for both MLB and NLB. According to the writter, he looked at the local papers in NY of the times, the papers for both teams Pittsburgh and Baltimore (the two teams playing) and even the home town papers for Gibson and he claims that there is no report of the incident. I do think that you have a point worth considering but without any cooberating documentation, I don't think that it can be considered as valid even if it did happen.

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to see it, did it really fall?

I don't know. That's a question for a much better man then I.

 

[HopeCowboyFan]

Before 92-93 he was a line drive hitter. His swing was short and compact but it was not a HR swing. You look at his stats and they prove it out. Griffey has a natural HR swing. It is not as efficiant but because of his superior ability, IMO, it is better. Compare the two players side by side and you will see that Griffey's production was better then Bonds. In the mid 90s, you started seeing Bonds line drives leave the yard. That was simple strength. His swing really didn't change much. He was simply stronger and those balls started leaving the park because of it. You also start seeing his Stolen Base numbers decline. With Griffey, that swing is a natural long ball cut. To me, if your just talking about a guy who is going to hit dingers, there is no question, Griffey has the better swing. JMO but the numbers will bare this out, IMO, if you just look at what both players did at a young age. Take out Griffey's injury seasons and Bonds later seasons where he is suspected of juicing.

Bonds has won 7 MVP's, back as far as 1990 and 1992. How many does Griffey have?

Pull back the one "73" home run season his stats mirror Hank Aarons. Bonds never hit more than 50 in a season other than the 73 season. Aaron also never hit 50 and played in the "launching pad" most of his career. Bonds also played in the old Vet and Candlestick early in career. Both Home run killing parks.

Griffey's injuries set him back, In 1989/1990 I predicted Griffey was going to break the record. His health robbed him that chance.

A-rod and steroids? Canseco was laughed at a few years ago on his comments and has been vindicated today. He says Arod is on roids, look at him today. He has to be 30-40 pounds heavier than when he came up. Why do he and Cleamens avoid the scrutiny?

Because Bonds is a jerk and broke all the records. The public and MLB are passively enjoying selectively deciding "who was guilty" - JMO

Bonds is the best player of his era. I'll let God figure out who the good guys are.

Signed,
Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson and Ty Cobb

 

[HopeCowboyFan]

The amount of times he is walked and walked intentionally plays a part in his HR to AB ratio. A walk does not count as an At Bat. It does however give him a clue as to how the pitcher is throwing that day, gives him a read on his throwing motion, the speed on the fast ball, the break on his breaking pitches and how he is being pitched. Bonds walked so much during his big HR total seasons that his official At Bats is less than 500 each season.

His walks don't explain it all. There is obviously a performance enhancing factor, but the walks do play a part in the stats.


Did you mean before the pitching mound was lowered when talking about Gibson? The higher the mound, the better for the pitcher. It was lowered in 1968 from 15" to 10" and has been at that height since.

Bingo- Bonds was so dominant they just walked him. I question the stat that Aaron had more home runs per at bat than Aaron at 35.

Fact is Bonds has hit more home runs with less than 3,000 at bats than Aaron did. Aaron hit a lot of home runs 35+ too....

Ruth, Aaron, Bonds are the 3 greatest HR hitters to have ever played in the past 100 years. Mays may be the guy who would be in that group in a different ballpark....

 

[HopeCowboyFan]

Fascinating Bonds versus Aaron Stats!

Bonds career 758 HR's on 9784 AB's or 1 per 12.91 AB's
Aaron career 755 HR's on 12,364 AB's or 1 per 16.38 AB's

Aaron hit more home runs age 35-39 than any other 5 year span in career. 203 - 140,202,168 first 3 5 year spans. Never getting below 1 in 13 at bats until age 35.

Bonds hit 247 age 35-39 following 189 and 157. Note in 1994 and 1995 Bonds was homering in every 11th or 10th at bats. He was clouting mega homers pre steroid era.

Bonds has 2544 career walks to Aarons 1405

Bonds has 100 career home runs in 40's. Aaron had 42 and dropped off and out faster. 43 year old Bonds is still homering once every 11 at bats, a fete Aaron bested ONLY TWICE in his career.

Other than 73 season Bonds has never hit more than 46 in a season

16
25
24
19
33
25
34
46
37
33
42
40
37
34
49
73
46
45
45
5
26
24

Aaron never hit more than 47

13
27
26
44
30
39
40
34
45
44
24
32
44
39
29
44
38
47
34
40
20
12
10


Looking at the facts - Bonds eclipsed Aaron in his 40's production. Not the "steroid era" 35-39 time frame which was also Aarons best power years.....VERY SIMILAR CAREERS STAT WISE

 

[HopeCowboyFan]

Interesting Bonds twist -

I backed his steroid era homers per at bat to more reasonable trendage and he's still at 720 today.....

playing against his pitching peers of era also guilty by association.

Again Aaron had his best HR per at bat of career at age 39 and second best at age 37.