Bones Jones

[Risen Star]

I see Jones and Cormier fighting again. There are not alot of active fighters in the LHW and HW divisions, and Cormier will easily follow him.

DC has the tools to beat Jones no doubt. He was en route to doing so until he got stalled against the cage for the later 2 rounds. Jones has some pretty horrid boxing, and that is his weakness.

Jones does not have KO power, and I believe Gus/ AJ can easily beat him.

Granted I think Gus already did imo, but it will happen again.

Anthony Johnson can beat anyone. I'm not saying he's the best and would beat anyone, but he's got the scariest power in that division and is one punch away at any time. Cormier hit Jones with about two dozen uppercuts. If that's Johnson swinging, I don't know that Jones survives.

I agree, I actually walked away from this fight thinking Cormier is the tougher guy. Jones is just the most gifted and his length won him the last two rounds. The thing with DC though is he's 35 years old. I don't know how long he can fight at his peak.

 

[Szczepanik]

Basically ROFL.
There was a lot of silly in that post man.
Wayyy too much haterade to be taken seriously.

Feel free to point out where I stated something completely inaccurate. There are certain individuals that are so physically gifted that their build gives their opponents trouble.

JBJ and Lesnar are good examples. Lesnar dominated the majority of his opponents due to his massive size. When he fought someone just as big, he lost against Overeem. When JBJ fought someone with just as lanky and long, Jones arguable lost as well.

 

[Szczepanik]

Anthony Johnson can beat anyone. I'm not saying he's the best and would beat anyone, but he's got the scariest power in that division and is one punch away at any time. Cormier hit Jones with about two dozen uppercuts. If that's Johnson swinging, I don't know that Jones survives.

I agree, I actually walked away from this fight thinking Cormier is the tougher guy. Jones is just the most gifted and his length won him the last two rounds. The thing with DC though is he's 35 years old. I don't know how long he can fight at his peak.

Yeah AJ isn't the most skilled fighter, but it takes 1 good punch from him to put your lights out. He actually has displayed quite good takedown defense lately since he is fighting in his natural weightclass. I remember when AJ put a massive beating on Little Nog simply based on his punching power. I wouldn't expect Jones to survive a flush hit from AJ, but who knows anything can happen.

I have high respect for DC, he went in there right away to close that distance and fight Jones where the fight needed to be done. The LHW division is not as deep as it used to be, so even though Cormier is 35, I could see him winning a rebound fight or 2 and getting another crack at Jones.

Dana White tends to not really use the ranking system as a title challenger system, Jones will fight the winner of AJ/Gus which gives DC more than enough time to take a quick fight or 2 to get back in contention. Especially moreso if the PPV numbers were high.

I also don't like the UFC PPV cost increasing. They really water down most of their cards nowadays and with the relative ease of streaming a fight from someone's computer, I think it is a poor decision on the UFC's part. If they wanted to increase purchases, I would of thought they would of actually had done the opposite and reduced the price..

 

[Risen Star]

Yeah AJ isn't the most skilled fighter, but it takes 1 good punch from him to put your lights out. He actually has displayed quite good takedown defense lately since he is fighting in his natural weightclass. I remember when AJ put a massive beating on Little Nog simply based on his punching power. I wouldn't expect Jones to survive a flush hit from AJ, but who knows anything can happen.

I have high respect for DC, he went in there right away to close that distance and fight Jones where the fight needed to be done. The LHW division is not as deep as it used to be, so even though Cormier is 35, I could see him winning a rebound fight or 2 and getting another crack at Jones.

Dana White tends to not really use the ranking system as a title challenger system, Jones will fight the winner of AJ/Gus which gives DC more than enough time to take a quick fight or 2 to get back in contention. Especially moreso if the PPV numbers were high.

I also don't like the UFC PPV cost increasing. They really water down most of their cards nowadays and with the relative ease of streaming a fight from someone's computer, I think it is a poor decision on the UFC's part. If they wanted to increase purchases, I would of thought they would of actually had done the opposite and reduced the price..

Did you see Johnson's fight with Phil Davis? He put a beating on what I thought was a top contender and who would later take out Glover Teixeira. Just destroyed him. Scary dude.

Yeah, I was hoping the price would go down. I don't know how many cards I'm going to be willing to shell out $60 for. It really isn't worth it unless the card is just stacked. 182's card did nothing for me but the main event was epic.

 

[jterrell]

Feel free to point out where I stated something completely inaccurate. There are certain individuals that are so physically gifted that their build gives their opponents trouble.

JBJ and Lesnar are good examples. Lesnar dominated the majority of his opponents due to his massive size. When he fought someone just as big, he lost against Overeem. When JBJ fought someone with just as lanky and long, Jones arguable lost as well.

First, Lesner didn't give many people issues. His size was effective versus a COUPLE guys who walk around at 225 like Randy Couture and wanted to wrestle.
Overeem crushed him but most quality HW would. Brock had a 5-3 record. Bones has NEVER been beaten. That's NEVER.

Brock is NOTHING like Bones who is very skilled and wrestles like world class guys even tho he has the worst possible wrestling build.
JBJ was looking for a real job when he got the UFC call. He wasn't a marketing move.
He's walked through SIX former UFC Champs.

The amount of nonsense you are tossing out trying to do everything but give Bones credit makes it clear you are a hater of epic proportions.
You and Risen can get a room and make out over clips of Bones getting hit or something... you are wasting everyone else's time.

As to the specific notes:
BOTH Gus and Bones went to the hospital. They took pictures together from the hospital smiling.
It was a true war but Bones admitted he wanted a war as he'd never had one.
He wanted to go deep into a fight and he clearly won round 5 that fight much like he did versus Cormier.

Rumble has 3 LHW fights in the UFC. A KO over 38 year old Rogerio, a loss to Vitor Belfort and a decision over Phil Davis.
He has a lot of power and makes for fun fights, but he isn't a threat to Bones in any way or fashion.
He has terrible BJJ and no wrestling.

Anyone who truly believes Rumble can give JBJ a fight really has ZERO clue about MMA.

 

[Szczepanik]

Did you see Johnson's fight with Phil Davis? He put a beating on what I thought was a top contender and who would later take out Glover Teixeira. Just destroyed him. Scary dude.

Yeah, I was hoping the price would go down. I don't know how many cards I'm going to be willing to shell out $60 for. It really isn't worth it unless the card is just stacked. 182's card did nothing for me but the main event was epic.

Yeah I sure did. Before the Phil Davis fight I really thought Davis would put a wrestling workshop on Johnson, because Johnson has always had that weakness. Then Davis surprised me with the Glover fight as well. I really thought that Glover would do the same thing that Johnson did to him. Best part is Johnson is finally at his natural weight class, I still can't believe he used to fight at 170. That blows my mind.

Nowadays the last 2 fights are generally the only ones worth shelling money out for. I remember when an entire fight card had title contenders up and down it. The majority of the fight cards used to keep me glued from top to bottom. I would like to see the UFC get back to putting out quality cards, or at least a tournament format style once in a while like Pride has done.

 

[Szczepanik]

First, Lesner didn't give many people issues. His size was effective versus a COUPLE guys who walk around at 225 like Randy Couture and wanted to wrestle.
Overeem crushed him but most quality HW would. Brock had a 5-3 record. Bones has NEVER been beaten. That's NEVER.

Brock is NOTHING like Bones who is very skilled and wrestles like world class guys even tho he has the worst possible wrestling build.
JBJ was looking for a real job when he got the UFC call. He wasn't a marketing move.
He's walked through SIX former UFC Champs.

The amount of nonsense you are tossing out trying to do everything but give Bones credit makes it clear you are a hater of epic proportions.
You and Risen can get a room and make out over clips of Bones getting hit or something... you are wasting everyone else's time.

As to the specific notes:
BOTH Gus and Bones went to the hospital. They took pictures together from the hospital smiling.
It was a true war but Bones admitted he wanted a war as he'd never had one.
He wanted to go deep into a fight and he clearly won round 5 that fight much like he did versus Cormier.

Rumble has 3 LHW fights in the UFC. A KO over 38 year old Rogerio, a loss to Vitor Belfort and a decision over Phil Davis.
He has a lot of power and makes for fun fights, but he isn't a threat to Bones in any way or fashion.
He has terrible BJJ and no wrestling.

Anyone who truly believes Rumble can give JBJ a fight really has ZERO clue about MMA.

Lesnar* not Lesner.

Frank Mir, Heath Herring, Randy Couture, Frank Mir , Shane Carwin, Cain and then Overeem. That was Lesnar's fight career inside of the UFC. One guy on that list was at 225, that being Randy. Mir, Herring, and Carwin were all big guys but were completely dwarfed in the Octagon by Lesnar. Lesnar could have easily qualified for a super heavyweight class. He smothered Heath Herring, and Frank Mir with his size. Lesnar should of lost against Carwin, but used his incredible size and turtled up when he was in danger to avoid the TKO loss at the time. He smothered Randy due to his size.

This isn't bashing Lesnar or JBJ in this regard, it is simply stating that when a fighter is good and ALSO has physical attributes that no one else has.. it makes him extremely hard to beat even when the fighter across the cage is superior in skill.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/09/jones-vs-gustafsson-official-ufc.html

To prove how close of a fight that really was. Jones was 1-11 in takedowns, but the difference in striking came from alot of the lower leg kicks and knee kicks that Jones throws. Gus hit him much harder constantly throughout that fight. Jones was on the stretcher, and Gus was getting stitched up. Jones took a hellacious beating that evening from the Swede.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(fighter)#Mixed_martial_arts_record

12 out of his 18 wins have been by knockout. He out boxed one of the best HW boxers of all time in Arlovski recently at HW. It doesn't have to be in the UFC to qualify as a good fight, as this was in WSOF.

And last but not least...

http://middleeasy.com/fighting/item/13244-the-top-ten-jon-jones-eye-pokes-in-ufc-history





Jon Jones is a very talented fighter I think he has world class talent and won't take that away from him.

My point is that he tends to use bush league tactics, and is not this immortal god like diety in the cage that some people make him out to be. He is a very beatable fighter that has flaws in his game, as do most fighters in the world. He is helped by his incredible length, but he has immense skill I recognize that.

Feel free to read the links I provided, I enjoy debating MMA even if I " have ZERO clue about MMA".

I followed Jones thoroughly as he was my favorite fighter, and I've seen all of his fights but he is no longer my favorite due to the way he has acted recently

 

[Risen Star]

Lesnar was battling diverticulitis when he was in the UFC. I don't know how anyone can assume that was the best he had. You'd have to be ignorant. A lesser man wouldn't have ever been competing.

 

[maxdallasfan]

If Mousasi could get his head back in the game, he could defeat Jones.

Dude was a killer a few years ago.

 

[Risen Star]

 

[jterrell]

Lesnar* not Lesner.

Frank Mir, Heath Herring, Randy Couture, Frank Mir , Shane Carwin, Cain and then Overeem. That was Lesnar's fight career inside of the UFC. One guy on that list was at 225, that being Randy. Mir, Herring, and Carwin were all big guys but were completely dwarfed in the Octagon by Lesnar. Lesnar could have easily qualified for a super heavyweight class. He smothered Heath Herring, and Frank Mir with his size. Lesnar should of lost against Carwin, but used his incredible size and turtled up when he was in danger to avoid the TKO loss at the time. He smothered Randy due to his size.

This isn't bashing Lesnar or JBJ in this regard, it is simply stating that when a fighter is good and ALSO has physical attributes that no one else has.. it makes him extremely hard to beat even when the fighter across the cage is superior in skill.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/09/jones-vs-gustafsson-official-ufc.html

To prove how close of a fight that really was. Jones was 1-11 in takedowns, but the difference in striking came from alot of the lower leg kicks and knee kicks that Jones throws. Gus hit him much harder constantly throughout that fight. Jones was on the stretcher, and Gus was getting stitched up. Jones took a hellacious beating that evening from the Swede.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(fighter)#Mixed_martial_arts_record

12 out of his 18 wins have been by knockout. He out boxed one of the best HW boxers of all time in Arlovski recently at HW. It doesn't have to be in the UFC to qualify as a good fight, as this was in WSOF.

And last but not least...

http://middleeasy.com/fighting/item/13244-the-top-ten-jon-jones-eye-pokes-in-ufc-history





Jon Jones is a very talented fighter I think he has world class talent and won't take that away from him.

My point is that he tends to use bush league tactics, and is not this immortal god like diety in the cage that some people make him out to be. He is a very beatable fighter that has flaws in his game, as do most fighters in the world. He is helped by his incredible length, but he has immense skill I recognize that.

Feel free to read the links I provided, I enjoy debating MMA even if I " have ZERO clue about MMA".

I followed Jones thoroughly as he was my favorite fighter, and I've seen all of his fights but he is no longer my favorite due to the way he has acted recently

ROFL. You spent a lot of time posting absolutely nothing man.

No one has argued the Gus fight wasn't a war or wasn't very close. It was a great fight.
It was the first time Bones had to actually change strategies mid-fight as his wrestling was nullified.
Just don't expect the next fight to be as close.

Couture was 40 years old and 225 pounds when he lost to Lesnar.
Herring was a spare fighter brought in on the tail end of his career to a HW starved UFC.
Mir was a former LHW that fought Brock at 235 pounds before undergoing a massive training regimen to add weight.
Carwin simply gassed out and when the ref didn't stop a fight he should have Lesnar came back and won.
It had nothing to do with size but with the ref allowing Lesnar to take the beating because it was a main event and title fight.

Lesnar never demonstrated an ability to fend off strikes and his size and strength were not otherworldy amongst heavyweights.

He competed at a time of all-time bad HW performances in the UFC and still was quite bad.

Bones uses his hands to catch punches. It is not rare and occurs multiple times in every telecast.
He eye-poked Cormier all of one-time in a 3 round fight.

As to the Rumble stuff just stop.
Arlovski was one of my favorite fighters. I still have two Affliction Arlovski t-shirts in the closet somewhere.
He is not an elite level fighter at this point and has a VERY questionable chin.
Rumble was a hard match up because Arlovski wins by being quicker and he wasn't quicker than a 205 guy that has fought mainly at 185.
Rumble does NOT have impressive wins at 205. Crowing about Phil Davis who is a tremendous wrestler but novice level striker and BJJ guy is desperation.

No one is a deity but Bones is not easily beatable. If he was, any number of people would have found a way to win considering the competition he has plowed through. He is VERY hard to defeat and that is beyond dispute.

I could care less about how you ":feel" about the guy. Your feelings are your own.
But you don't get to create some narrative based upon wishful thinking and dreams that changes what has occurred.

ANNNDDD STTTIIILLLLL....

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The UFC supposedly had a terrible PPV year last year and they ended up increasing the price of their PPVs for this year.

Anybody think that's a good move? Not every card is going to have Jones/DC at the top of it.

I don't like it.

I agreed to host the PPV party at my house with everyone bringing some snacks and stuff and I'd get the PPV but I didn't realize until that night when I went to order that they'd went up to 60 bucks. Crazy amount.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

ROFL. You spent a lot of time posting absolutely nothing man.

No one has argued the Gus fight wasn't a war or wasn't very close. It was a great fight.
It was the first time Bones had to actually change strategies mid-fight as his wrestling was nullified.
Just don't expect the next fight to be as close.

Couture was 40 years old and 225 pounds when he lost to Lesnar.
Herring was a spare fighter brought in on the tail end of his career to a HW starved UFC.
Mir was a former LHW that fought Brock at 235 pounds before undergoing a massive training regimen to add weight.
Carwin simply gassed out and when the ref didn't stop a fight he should have Lesnar came back and won.
It had nothing to do with size but with the ref allowing Lesnar to take the beating because it was a main event and title fight.

Lesnar never demonstrated an ability to fend off strikes and his size and strength were not otherworldy amongst heavyweights.

He competed at a time of all-time bad HW performances in the UFC and still was quite bad.

Bones uses his hands to catch punches. It is not rare and occurs multiple times in every telecast.
He eye-poked Cormier all of one-time in a 3 round fight.

As to the Rumble stuff just stop.
Arlovski was one of my favorite fighters. I still have two Affliction Arlovski t-shirts in the closet somewhere.
He is not an elite level fighter at this point and has a VERY questionable chin.
Rumble was a hard match up because Arlovski wins by being quicker and he wasn't quicker than a 205 guy that has fought mainly at 185.
Rumble does NOT have impressive wins at 205. Crowing about Phil Davis who is a tremendous wrestler but novice level striker and BJJ guy is desperation.

No one is a deity but Bones is not easily beatable. If he was, any number of people would have found a way to win considering the competition he has plowed through. He is VERY hard to defeat and that is beyond dispute.

I could care less about how you ":feel" about the guy. Your feelings are your own.
But you don't get to create some narrative based upon wishful thinking and dreams that changes what has occurred.

ANNNDDD STTTIIILLLLL....

Jones is amazing.

But if you think people with 1 punch KO power can't possibly tag him and wind up defeating him then you're crazy.

He's FAR more skilled than Rumble.

It's not even close and I don't know that anyone here is even saying anything different. You just seem to be getting your feelings hurt that anyone thinks that Jon Jones isn't invincible.

If he fights Johnson he will very likely beat him. I really don't see Rumble winning a fight with Jones but I definitely acknowledge the fact that with his fast hands, and his incredible KO power, that there is definitely that chance he can catch Jones with a great shot and put his lights out.

Personally I'd rather see a second fight with Gus cause I think that's the best fight but I'd also like to see Jones stripped of the title. I don't believe your champion should be a guy checking himself into rehab for a coke problem.

That's very likely just me on that though.

 

[CyberB0b]

 

[Szczepanik]

Rumble...wow


Hasn't been a fighter that violent since the Pride days

 

[Sasquatch]

Gus has a chin, too. Can't believe he wasn't put to sleep by those upper cuts Johnson threw while on his back.

 

[Ren]

If I was Jones I wouldn't sleep well tonight

 

[Szczepanik]

I tweeted Jones:

Let me line this up for you real quick Bones, one hit of Rumble and you won't know where you are at.

No response.

Back on topic: I think that power AJ has would put anyone in the world to ZZZ land.

Jones tends to get hit quite a bit against boxers, JBJ will be taking a few of those in their fight at some point.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

That's exactly why anyone trying to act like Johnson has zero chance is either blindly a Jones homer or just being completely stupid.

Jones is more talented, all around, but Johnson has the power to turn his lights out very quickly.

 

[Risen Star]

Yep, Rumble's got the scariest power in the UFC. There's no question Jones is the GOAT, IMO, and has more tools but those sledgehammers for hands are the great equalizer. If I'm Jones, I want to take that fight to the ground ASAP and work a submission. Try to survive those first 2 rounds and hope Johnson's cardio does him in if you can't submit him. The longer the fight goes the more it favors Jones.