Bosa vs Gregory

[Galian Beast]

I find this a really interesting situation. If somehow we were able to draft Joey Bosa, what would that do to the development of Randy Gregory?

Do we have the coaching staff that could properly utilize Bosa, Gregory, and Lawrence (while we still have him)? And properly develop all three of them? We have two more years left with Lawrence on his rookie contract.

I think you could use Bosa a lot how we thought they would use Hardy this year. He would be your primary starter in the base package, and you could move him around the line. Gregory having last year be essentially a redshirt year would come in mostly on passing downs.

If you could get Bosa and a proper 1 technique either in free agency or the draft, it might make this defensive line finally what we want it to be. And as a result maybe our defense as well.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Rookie DEs hardly make any impact on a team. Our D line would be 32nd in the league in terms of sacks. Dont see how lawrence, gregory, bosa , hayden, and t crawford combine to get 42+ sacks. Not happening. Lawrence gets you 6-8, gregory 1-2, hayden 0, t crawford maybe 4, bosa 3-4? Maybe. Where do the other 28-30 sacks come from?

 

[Wood]

I find this a really interesting situation. If somehow we were able to draft Joey Bosa, what would that do to the development of Randy Gregory?

Do we have the coaching staff that could properly utilize Bosa, Gregory, and Lawrence (while we still have him)? And properly develop all three of them? We have two more years left with Lawrence on his rookie contract.

I think you could use Bosa a lot how we thought they would use Hardy this year. He would be your primary starter in the base package, and you could move him around the line. Gregory having last year be essentially a redshirt year would come in mostly on passing downs.

If you could get Bosa and a proper 1 technique either in free agency or the draft, it might make this defensive line finally what we want it to be. And as a result maybe our defense as well.

the biggest problem with that is your really not addressing their biggest need of getting to QB. Hardy strength was getting to QB. Bosa strength is stopping the run. The concern is that Gregory flashed in training camp and was average at best after recovering from his injury. Dallas has to protect themselves here. That second round (I believe #34) is lining up perfectly to get that 1 tech DT. I would look for aging DE who can still get to QB (why is it Arizona gets these guys - Freeney) and Dallas doesn't.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I find this a really interesting situation. If somehow we were able to draft Joey Bosa, what would that do to the development of Randy Gregory?

Do we have the coaching staff that could properly utilize Bosa, Gregory, and Lawrence (while we still have him)? And properly develop all three of them? We have two more years left with Lawrence on his rookie contract.

I think you could use Bosa a lot how we thought they would use Hardy this year. He would be your primary starter in the base package, and you could move him around the line. Gregory having last year be essentially a redshirt year would come in mostly on passing downs.

If you could get Bosa and a proper 1 technique either in free agency or the draft, it might make this defensive line finally what we want it to be. And as a result maybe our defense as well.

Our secondary will still be it's old self not making plays.

 

[btcutter]

Bosa? Maybe.

Spence! He's rising for certain. If he addresses his past and teams believe that he has overcome his past then maybe a top 10 pick and maybe higher.

IF, IF we are not going QB route then I am looking hard at Spence in top 10.

Rotating Spence and Gregory is very pleasing idea to me and not to the QBs.

 

[Wood]

Bosa? Maybe.

Spence! He's rising for certain. If he addresses his past and teams believe that he has overcome his past then maybe a top 10 pick and maybe higher.

IF, IF we are not going QB route then I am looking hard at Spence in top 10.

Rotating Spence and Gregory is very pleasing idea to me and not to the QBs.

Spence blew-up Senior Bowl week and Jeff Cavanaugh already dropped gauntlet that Dallas will take him #4. I am not ready yet for that but I appreciate his point that Dallas really is desperate team for edge pass rusher.

 

[LatinMind]

I find this a really interesting situation. If somehow we were able to draft Joey Bosa, what would that do to the development of Randy Gregory?

Do we have the coaching staff that could properly utilize Bosa, Gregory, and Lawrence (while we still have him)? And properly develop all three of them? We have two more years left with Lawrence on his rookie contract.

I think you could use Bosa a lot how we thought they would use Hardy this year. He would be your primary starter in the base package, and you could move him around the line. Gregory having last year be essentially a redshirt year would come in mostly on passing downs.

If you could get Bosa and a proper 1 technique either in free agency or the draft, it might make this defensive line finally what we want it to be. And as a result maybe our defense as well.

have you seen how slow bosa is off the snap?lawrence seemed to find his way at LDE now all of the sudden people wanna spend a pick at 4 and move Lawrence back to the right side? Wouldnt the smart thing be to find somebody to team up with Gregory if hes the question mark? Wouldnt picking up a guy like Spence be alot smarter then spending a pick at 4 to draft an inferior guy to whats in place now? Ur over complicating too much

whil;e dallas still has lawrence? wheres he going?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I find this a really interesting situation. If somehow we were able to draft Joey Bosa, what would that do to the development of Randy Gregory?

Do we have the coaching staff that could properly utilize Bosa, Gregory, and Lawrence (while we still have him)? And properly develop all three of them? We have two more years left with Lawrence on his rookie contract.

I think you could use Bosa a lot how we thought they would use Hardy this year. He would be your primary starter in the base package, and you could move him around the line. Gregory having last year be essentially a redshirt year would come in mostly on passing downs.

If you could get Bosa and a proper 1 technique either in free agency or the draft, it might make this defensive line finally what we want it to be. And as a result maybe our defense as well.

I don't want us to draft Bosa, not a fan of his. But if we did, I would *love* if we resembled our defense in the way Seattle does, where we use DLawrence like MBennett, JBosa as CAvril and RGregory as BIrvin. But if I were to go DE, I think I'd trade down a bit and target Shaq Lawson.

 

[gmoney112]

I don't want us to draft Bosa, not a fan of his. But if we did, I would *love* if we resembled our defense in the way Seattle does, where we use DLawrence like MBennett, JBosa as CAvril and RGregory as BIrvin. But if I were to go DE, I think I'd trade down a bit and target Shaq Lawson.

You know Irvin is in coverage a lot right?

Gregory needs to be rushing the passer ever snap.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Rookie DEs hardly make any impact on a team. Our D line would be 32nd in the league in terms of sacks. Dont see how lawrence, gregory, bosa , hayden, and t crawford combine to get 42+ sacks. Not happening. Lawrence gets you 6-8, gregory 1-2, hayden 0, t crawford maybe 4, bosa 3-4? Maybe. Where do the other 28-30 sacks come from?

You have Gregory at 1-2 sacks? I'll take the over. You making a book? What are the odds? Can I guarantee odds? I'm willing to pay now. I need some details man! This is too good to be true.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You know Irvin is in coverage a lot right?

Gregory needs to be rushing the passer ever snap.

you know Bruce Irvin was an undersized DE who had about the same amount of sacks in college as Irvin, right?

Schematically playing a DE allows for more pass rushers on the field. Some of the greatest defenses in the NFL have used this strategy, 2000 Baltimore Ravens (Peter Boulware), 2007 NY Giants (Mathias Kiwanuka) and the 2013 Seattle Seahawks (Bruce Irvin). Doesn't seem to be Marenelli's style, but it clearly works.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You have Gregory at 1-2 sacks? I'll take the over. You making a book? What are the odds? Can I guarantee odds? I'm willing to pay now. I need some details man! This is too good to be true.

I would have taken that bet last year...and lost

 

[LocimusPrime]

I don't want us to draft Bosa, not a fan of his. But if we did, I would *love* if we resembled our defense in the way Seattle does, where we use DLawrence like MBennett, JBosa as CAvril and RGregory as BIrvin. But if I were to go DE, I think I'd trade down a bit and target Shaq Lawson.

Bennett/Avril/Irvin combine for 23.5 sacks ( not bad)
Lawrence/Gregory/Bosa = 8+ O + X. So 8 + X = 23.5 so X = 15.5.
Man if Bosa could give us 15.5 sacks in his rookie year I would be estatic and shocked.

But I see what ur trying to get at, I just their trio is a lot better

 

[LocimusPrime]

You have Gregory at 1-2 sacks? I'll take the over. You making a book? What are the odds? Can I guarantee odds? I'm willing to pay now. I need some details man! This is too good to be true.

If it was for books, I'd set Randy at 3.5. Hint take the under. I set Lawrence at 7.5, Hayden at 1.5, t Crawford at 4.5. But in all seriousness, I don't see him making a huge impact best year. At 230lbs he still needs 2 more off seasons to get the weight he needs.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Bennett/Avril/Irvin combine for 23.5 sacks ( not bad)
Lawrence/Gregory/Bosa = 8+ O + X. So 8 + X = 23.5 so X = 15.5.
Man if Bosa could give us 15.5 sacks in his rookie year I would be estatic and shocked.

But I see what ur trying to get at, I just their trio is a lot better

yea, I'd say their trio would be better in 2016, but Bosa and Gregory combining for 15.5 sacks would not be that unrealistic.

 

[gmoney112]

you know Bruce Irvin was an undersized DE who had about the same amount of sacks in college as Irvin, right?

Schematically playing a DE allows for more pass rushers on the field. Some of the greatest defenses in the NFL have used this strategy, 2000 Baltimore Ravens (Peter Boulware), 2007 NY Giants (Mathias Kiwanuka) and the 2013 Seattle Seahawks (Bruce Irvin). Doesn't seem to be Marenelli's style, but it clearly works.

Yes. Bruce was one of the most physically gifted players in that entire draft. I'm also well aware of the "Leo" type position that you're talking about.

I'm also well aware that Kiwi was only playing the position because they had 3 guys at end he wasn't beating out. Bruce was put at the position because he's a phenomenal athlete that wasn't fit for DE. Their scheme allows him to do these things because he's such a great athlete.

Randy Gregory isn't Bruce Irvin. Bruce could run a 4.4 in a good breeze and I'm pretty sure I remember his 3 cone and shuttle were the best of every front 7 player in that draft, including Kuechly.

Maybe if he had Strahan, Tuck, and Osi in front of him. But we don't. He's a tall, long armed guy who's quick off the ball. He was made to rush the passer. He'd be a complete waste at SLB.

 

[tm1119]

I'm just really confused as to what people were able to see in Gregory in the little time he spent on the field to think that he's anywhere near ready still? It's like he's penciled in as a starter just because he was a 2nd round pick. Highly doubt that's the case, he'll be a situational pass rusher next year.

 

[Sydla]

I find this a really interesting situation. If somehow we were able to draft Joey Bosa, what would that do to the development of Randy Gregory?

Do we have the coaching staff that could properly utilize Bosa, Gregory, and Lawrence (while we still have him)? And properly develop all three of them? We have two more years left with Lawrence on his rookie contract.

I think you could use Bosa a lot how we thought they would use Hardy this year. He would be your primary starter in the base package, and you could move him around the line. Gregory having last year be essentially a redshirt year would come in mostly on passing downs.

If you could get Bosa and a proper 1 technique either in free agency or the draft, it might make this defensive line finally what we want it to be. And as a result maybe our defense as well.

Wouldn't Lawrence be more of a comparison to Bosa? Gregory is a pure speed rush end. Bosa is more like a SDE, which is what many consider Lawrence.

 

[LandryFan]

Bennett/Avril/Irvin combine for 23.5 sacks ( not bad)
Lawrence/Gregory/Bosa = 8+ O + X. So 8 + X = 23.5 so X = 15.5.
Man if Bosa could give us 15.5 sacks in his rookie year I would be estatic and shocked.

But I see what ur trying to get at, I just their trio is a lot better

That's some mighty fancy sipherin' you got goin' on there...

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I see Gregory making a Dlaw type jump next year maybe better. I see Dlaw and Gregory sound 8-12 sacks a piece