Bosa vs Gregory

[gmoney112]

I'm just really confused as to what people were able to see in Gregory in the little time he spent on the field to think that he's anywhere near ready still? It's like he's penciled in as a starter just because he was a 2nd round pick. Highly doubt that's the case, he'll be a situational pass rusher next year.

Rookie DE's don't have much of an impact. Khalil Mack played in 16 games his rookie year and got 4 sacks. He had 15 this year.

Randy was touted as one of the best pass rushers in his class, and he showed potential before his ankle injury while being a rookie undersized DE.

 

[texbumthelife]

Let me guess, the guys who think they know what Bosa can do and are writing off Gregory, are the same guys who wrote Lawrence off. Gregroy is going to be fine and Bosa is not a "run defender" nor is he "slow off the snap".

 

[tm1119]

Rookie DE's don't have much of an impact. Khalil Mack played in 16 games his rookie year and got 4 sacks. He had 15 this year.

Randy was touted as one of the best pass rushers in his class, and he showed potential before his ankle injury while being a rookie undersized DE.

He played what, like, 25 snaps before he hurt his ankle? I'm not writing off Gregory by any means, but gues what, he's still undersized and still has very little game experience after his rookie year. Unless he shows up to camp 260+ and hungry (literally and figuratively) he's not going to be a full time DE next year. And there's nothing wrong with him being a situational pass rusher, it just means we still need another DE.

 

[gmoney112]

He played what, like, 25 snaps before he hurt his ankle? I'm not writing off Gregory by any means, but gues what, he's still undersized and still has very little game experience after his rookie year. Unless he shows up to camp 260+ and hungry (literally and figuratively) he's not going to be a full time DE next year. And there's nothing wrong with him being a situational pass rusher, it just means we still need another DE.

If he got a 1 tech capable of taking on some double teams, he'd look better as well. I'm not worried about him. Talented DE's make a big jump 2nd year.

We still need a DE, that I agree with. Just because pressure directly affects passer rating, and we need more of it. Depth is also a concern, if Gregory or Lawrence get banged up, we have nothing right now. That's not good.

 

[Direwolf63]

If Gregory hits the weight room hard and can gain 15-20 pounds, I think we get good production out of him. I don't believe he ever fully recovered from the high ankle sprain last year. I see around 8 sacks for him next year. {fingers crossed}

 

[texbumthelife]

He played what, like, 25 snaps before he hurt his ankle? I'm not writing off Gregory by any means, but gues what, he's still undersized and still has very little game experience after his rookie year. Unless he shows up to camp 260+ and hungry (literally and figuratively) he's not going to be a full time DE next year. And there's nothing wrong with him being a situational pass rusher, it just means we still need another DE.

I would much rather Gregory show up at 250. I think he is more of a Von Miller type player than an Ansah or Hardy. He's going to need to use his quickness and athleticism as he learns other tools.

Personally, I think the biggest thing holding back Gregory this year was playing behind Hardy. As they played Gregory more down the stretch he really showed some flashes. He is an absolute blur when they stunt him. He didn't come up with any sacks and I am not sure of his pressure numbers, but he was definitely impacting the game and effecting QB's at the end of the season. I think he has a legitimate chance to be a 10 sack guy this year, even if they choose to use him situationally.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Spence blew-up Senior Bowl week and Jeff Cavanaugh already dropped gauntlet that Dallas will take him #4. I am not ready yet for that but I appreciate his point that Dallas really is desperate team for edge pass rusher.

If they want pass rush, he is their guy but a bit undersized he is about 251.

However, you want explosion off the edge, he is your boy!

 

[tm1119]

I would much rather Gregory show up at 250. I think he is more of a Von Miller type player than an Ansah or Hardy. He's going to need to use his quickness and athleticism as he learns other tools.

Personally, I think the biggest thing holding back Gregory this year was playing behind Hardy. As they played Gregory more down the stretch he really showed some flashes. He is an absolute blur when they stunt him. He didn't come up with any sacks and I am not sure of his pressure numbers, but he was definitely impacting the game and effecting QB's at the end of the season. I think he has a legitimate chance to be a 10 sack guy this year, even if they choose to use him situationally.

6'3 250 vs 6'6 240 is huge difference. Gregory needs to be above 250 to play end full time in my opinion.

 

[texbumthelife]

6'3 250 vs 6'6 240 is huge difference. Gregory needs to be above 250 to play end full time in my opinion.

You're right. Gregory had a little bit more of a basketball body going into 2015. I don't think that will be an issue in 2016. Whatever he bulks up to, I don't want him to get to Hardy or Lawrence type size. I want Gregory to be a quick twitch edge rusher.

 

[Galian Beast]

Wouldn't Lawrence be more of a comparison to Bosa? Gregory is a pure speed rush end. Bosa is more like a SDE, which is what many consider Lawrence.

You aren't going to bench Lawrence in this situation. You would play either Bosa or Lawrence at either end, but both would start.

 

[tyke1doe]

I would have taken that bet last year...and lost

Heck, I had him with 16 sacks.

 

[texbumthelife]

You aren't going to bench Lawrence in this situation. You would play either Bosa or Lawrence at either end, but both would start.

Agreed, I think you put Bosa on the weak side and leave Lawrence where he is. Lawrence and Bosa can both move inside (not at the same time) on passing downs and you can bring in Gregory in those situations as well as rotating him on the weak side.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You have Gregory at 1-2 sacks? I'll take the over. You making a book? What are the odds? Can I guarantee odds? I'm willing to pay now. I need some details man! This is too good to be true.

I bet you would have betted last year that he got more than O sacks in the regular season as well.
Just saying...never know and there were two things that people worried about with Gregory coming out...One was the Mary Jane and to his credit it seems he has kept his nose clean...the other is him putting and keeping on the weight to better be able to endure a long season.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

You're right. Gregory had a little bit more of a basketball body going into 2015. I don't think that will be an issue in 2016. Whatever he bulks up to, I don't want him to get to Hardy or Lawrence type size. I want Gregory to be a quick twitch edge rusher.

Lawrence weighs 251lbs.....

 

[texbumthelife]

Lawrence weighs 251lbs.....

Before the 2015 season, Demarcus Lawrence had gotten up over 265lbs. You may be thinking of his rookie season. He was significantly larger, particularly his mid section and thighs, in 2015. It showed up on the field too. He was able to hold the point of attack much better and had a better motor and explosiveness.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Before the 2015 season, Demarcus Lawrence had gotten up over 265lbs. You may be thinking of his rookie season. He was significantly larger, particularly his mid section and thighs, in 2015. It showed up on the field too. He was able to hold the point of attack much better and had a better motor and explosiveness.

that's according to the roster on dallascowboys.com.

 

[texbumthelife]

that's according to the roster on dallascowboys.com.

Yeah, they still have him listed at his combine weight from two years ago. He's significantly heavier than that now.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Yeah, they still have him listed at his combine weight from two years ago. He's significantly heavier than that now.

They have Gregory at 245, and he wasn't around 2 years ago, so it's probably the latest one they have.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

Don't think there's a problem with Gregory's development, think it's more of fixing our defense and starting with the trenches like we did offensively.

 

[texbumthelife]

They have Gregory at 245, and he wasn't around 2 years ago, so it's probably the latest one they have.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/demarcus-lawrence?id=2543490

Demarcus Lawrence was 250lbs coming out. He isn't anymore.

http://www.nfl.com/player/demarcuslawrence/2543490/profile
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9633/demarcus-lawrence

All you had to do was watch the games this season to see the guy was significantly bigger than he was his rookie season. They even talked about it extensively in training camp. He bulked up because he was moving to the strong side. They said in camp he'd gained significant weight.

It was even discussed here quite a bit:
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/demarcus-lawrence-weight.321677/

In case you're more of a visual guy:
Combine:

Hard to find a good pic of him, bu here is is in 2015. He is much bigger through the trunk and in the legs:

Lawrence himself says he weighed 260lbs here:
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowb...-side-demarcus-lawrence-ready-for-second-year

You're going to think and believe what you want, but it's pretty much universally agreed upon that he gained 10-15 pounds from year one to year two.