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Sb or Bust;3227073 said:
Last years draft has only produced a kickoff specialist and nothing more. One couple more drafts like that and we are toast. We got lucky with Romo and Austin developing. Other than the kicker last years draft have produced nothing. Defend that draft

how many of those players, outside of the said kicker, have had a chance to hit the field yet? if we're a good team we're drafting depth and for positions or BPA - not many rookies play on a playoff team, do they?

like others have said, too early to pick on 2009 unless you just demand to smack jones at any chance you get with our without reality.
 

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Temo;3227286 said:
On draft day, everyone thought the Cowboys were going to take Merriman at #11.

If you listened to the Ticket during that you knew right before the pick was made that it was Ware... Mickey knows much more than he's allowed to say, right after the pick all the stories come out.
 

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Tobal;3227302 said:
If you listened to the Ticket during that you knew right before the pick was made that it was Ware... Mickey knows much more than he's allowed to say, right after the pick all the stories come out.

Mick is involved with a lot of what is going on around the Cowboys. That has been his job for quite a while. He is well informed, but makes a lot of inferals based upon his own observations and logical projection...don't kid yourself as to knowing all the real deal.

That would only throw both Jerry and his head coach out of the loop, and I really doubt that ever occurs.
 

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I didn't have a single problem with Bill Parcells while here in Dallas, or with Wade Phillips. I just won't make him a 'saint' in contrast to Wade Phillips.

You, refering to the negative hecklers, have failed to give ANY credit to either Jerry Jones or Wade Phillips over the entire past year, and we are knee deep in a succesful playoff run now.

Now, I'll tell YOU just where Bill Parcells affected the process involving Jerry Jones, and that was the ability to fully develop and churn the bottom of the roster on an annual basis...and to project and evaluate veteran contributions realisticly. Put that alongside of a very disciplined and thorough approach, and you have a doorway of evaluations by Bill Parcells...NOT gracing us fans by his sojurn with Dallas.


I'm glad he was part of Cowboy history, but to quote a prominent point in Kismet, the musical, which has an application in football, just as much as being diverse enough to handle human needs and individual developments trancending the sport itself: Once having written, the writing hand moves ON!

Personality defects affects the end product as well...as witnessed by a rise to a 13 victory season when Wade was installed in his stead. That was NOT due to Bill Parcells and his contributions, as most of his additions were reworked this past off season, and Wade again returned to a NFC East Championship. Those ARE contributions in Wade's own ledger of accomplishments.

As to non-applicability of contributory personality...you know how long a Commander in the field would hold respect by his entire force, while in battle with a soldier, he referred to him as 'she', no matter how cute it might appear to himself? About a nano-second.

We all saw how the handling of Antonio Bryant went...oh sure, that is great leadership you say. Or even so what? How about Greg Ellis, who JERRY JONES kept the lid on and accomplished his coorperation and retention WITH productivity in a changed role and position as well. No, it took a pair...both with Bill, and with Wade. As a team, Wade and Jerry actually work closer together. Not in conflict for attention or related rewards. Now, in the final analysis, which is really better? NO family what-so-ever, or to acknowledge them and integrate that very concept of a social responsibility into the workings of the franchise, as Jerry Jones has attempted to do at every turn of organizational dealings.

Contributions by the Cowboys and their Cheerleaders into the community, and even those serving overseas, is as IMPORTANT as the legend of Bill Parcells to the fan. Don't kid yourself on that score...as if I had to clarify what the ^*^* I was talking about...if you get my drift.


But to expand on opinion beyond me as a mere fan, let's get a view added by none other than Jimmy Johnson who has been added as proof that Jerry and Wade are dysfunctional in ALL aspects:

Jimmy: Credit to Wade the head coach, not just coordinator
10:04 AM Thu, Jan 14, 2010
Gerry Fraley

Jimmy Johnson, in his role of analyst with FOX Sunday, said Cowboys coach Wade Phillips has worked wonders with the defense, but the credit should not stop there.

``We have to give Wade a lot of the credit for the improvement of the defense in the last couple years,'' said Johnson, who directed the Cowboys to two Super Bowl victories in the 1990s. ``But he's the head coach. He deserves credit for this team winning against Philadelphia, winning the NFC East, winning in the first round. Wade deserves credit as the head coach, not just the defensive coordinator.'' *Thanks WoodysGirl...


But, to further develop points of my initial post:

The cowboys have played 4 of the top 5 scoring offenses in the NFL.

Chargers averaged 28 but put up 20.

Saints averaged 32 but put up 17.

Eagles averaged 27 but put up 16,0, and 14.

Packers averaged 29 but put up 17.

Basically, the cowboys played 4 of the top 5 offenses, played one of those teams twice, so you could say 5 games against top 5 offenses.

Just on performance, this wasn't the Parcells' defensive show.
 

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Hostile;3227150 said:
Wait, so you already know how each of those 12 players are going to turn out? Awesome, where'd you buy your crystal ball? Or did you read the tea leaves and see the Grim?

I think he was reading tea bags. :laugh2:
 

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I still don't get the title of the thread. I thought you were gonna talk about the pacquiao clottey fight.
 

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poost;3227700 said:
I still don't get the title of the thread. I thought you were gonna talk about the pacquiao clottey fight.

That should be a good fight, with the jumbotron thirty feet above the ring and eye contacts revealed. But alas, this is a football board and you are from Austin, right? By chance have you been in the second floor of the basement in the Capital Building there? There is a souvenir shop there....by the way, a good one at that. Just so you understand relationships....:cool:
 

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CCBoy;3227714 said:
That should be a good fight, with the jumbotron thirty feet above the ring and eye contacts revealed. But alas, this is a football board and you are from Austin, right? By chance have you been in the second floor of the basement in the Capital Building there? There is a souvenir shop there....by the way, a good one at that. Just so you understand relationships....:cool:

Actually I am from Brownsville, TX. I was going to school at UT when I made this account. I should update my profile. But I will check out the souvenir shop next time I'm in Ausin. :)
 

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pgreptom;3227039 said:
Good post - #1,#2 are very valid - #3 is still "yet to be seen".

While Felix has bedazzled me, injury concerns still fly over my head... almost every carry I'm watching to see if Felix actually gets up... is he limping? Is he going back to the huddle?!?

I think its a common thing with young backs who can't stay healthy.

We see it all around the league and even our ex-Cowboy Julius Jones was real bad about it early in his career.

Eventually he got over it and hopefully Jones will too.


But FJ leaves himself as a big target since he runs so high and he takes more than 1 big shot a game because of it.
 

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Temo;3227286 said:
On draft day, everyone thought the Cowboys were going to take Merriman at #11.

Brian Broadus, who was actually in the draft room, has said this on the radio more than once.

Parcells did want to take Spears over Ware.

But to his credit he allowed Jerry to take Ware so I still give him some of the credit.
 

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trickblue;3227269 said:
Boxer-Briefs...

That is called an ironic focus, that allows a projected mood or perception involving both humor and pertinent current events to enter an association that has specific development in the work itself. That aspect can be on the mood basis, continued through that entire work.

If the article is read openly as to contained information, it allows a focus upon generalized but intended directions specific within that article.

Almost all media/sports analysts or writers, emply similar technique in clarifying issue in a somewhat 'cool' manner.

Most fans at a hockey game still attend to see the contest, yet some are surprised when they are sitting at a perfectly good fight, when the hockey game breaks out...
 

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I am a homer like most of you on this board, I like Jones, and No I do not know how this draft class will turn out. But this year other than the kicker nobody contributed. if you draft for backups then you end up with scrubs. You should draft for BPA all other things being equal. This last draft class was weaker than the 2007 & 2008. If Jones drafts again to save money a couple more times than we will not stay at the top.
 

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Sb or Bust;3227073 said:
Last years draft has only produced a kickoff specialist and nothing more. One couple more drafts like that and we are toast. We got lucky with Romo and Austin developing. Other than the kicker last years draft have produced nothing. Defend that draft

My defense would be this:

Many here, myself unfortunately included, were chalking up Anthony Spencer as a bust this past summer. I, frankly, was ready to move on in the 2010 offseason, hoping we could land one of those name players. Yeah, idiotic on my part.

Well, here we are now, and Spencer is looking like an All-Pro. My point? Rookies take time to develop, especially under Wade. He has shown he doesn't love throwing rookies out there. But he's also shown he knows how to devleop guys that are drafted under his watch.

Now, we didn't have a first round pick last year like we had in years past. Yeah, I think the potential has a lower ceiling than some of the other classes. But based on this coaching staff's ability to develop talent -- and, yes, it's a genuine strength they possess -- I wouldn't be surprised to see guys like Jason Williams, Robert Brewster and Victor Butler legitimate contributors next season.
 

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Sb or Bust;3228396 said:
I am a homer like most of you on this board, I like Jones, and No I do not know how this draft class will turn out. But this year other than the kicker nobody contributed. if you draft for backups then you end up with scrubs. You should draft for BPA all other things being equal. This last draft class was weaker than the 2007 & 2008. If Jones drafts again to save money a couple more times than we will not stay at the top.

One thing I don't understand about the 'draft for backup' thing is this:

Did we not 'draft a backup' in Spencer? We had two Pro Bowlers at OLB the year we drafted him. It took him, what, three years to become a full-fledged starter? Did we not 'draft a backup' when we selected Jenkins? We had Newman, Henry and Pacman ahead of him. Did we not 'draft a backup' when we drafted Felix? He remains a backup.

You're absolutely correct that you need to draft the BPA, but when you have a grizzled, playoff-caliber team like we have, you're not going to be drafting a lot of guys that can come in from day one and start. Case in point -- just about every high pick we've had in recent years. Maybe a guy like Jason Williams carries the torch as the next Spencer/Jenkins as a player whose playing time gradually increases over his first three years in the league.

Flash forward to the 2010 draft, and how many 'starters' do you think we'll be getting? The whole idea when you have a talented team like this is to, yes, grab a starter if there's a glaring weakness you have, but more importantly to fill the pipeline with talented guys. That way, when a guy like Colombo or Flozell becomes too old to contribute, you have a guy ready to take his place (a la Free). Maybe this coming draft we target another lineman so two years from now we're not left in the cold when Kosier, Gurode and Colombo start to age quickly. Or maybe we take a safety to compete with what we have there. Or maybe we take a defensive end to push a guy like Hatcher or Bown.

But I don't we draft too many day-one starters. And I think that's the hope with last year's class. Come 2010, hopefully Jason Williams is pushing Carpenter for playing time as the dime 'backer, and maybe Victor Butler is becoming our third-best OLB to occasionally spell Ware and Spencer. And maybe Brewster develops into our second-best backup behind Free. ... And then, eventually, two or three years down the road, some of those guys are starting as current starters wear out.

Just my two cents.
 

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Hostile;3227150 said:
Wait, so you already know how each of those 12 players are going to turn out? Awesome, where'd you buy your crystal ball? Or did you read the tea leaves and see the Grim?
Well I'd bet about half of them won't even make the team next year...heck a few of them didn't even make the team this year.
 

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Sb or Bust;3227073 said:
Last years draft has only produced a kickoff specialist and nothing more. One couple more drafts like that and we are toast. We got lucky with Romo and Austin developing. Other than the kicker last years draft have produced nothing. Defend that draft

Actually, John Phillips was quite a good pick in the 6th round. He has been a nice contributor as a rookie.

Victor Butler had a few nice moments (saved the first Philly win with the shoestring sack of McNabb).

Several of the defensive players have yet to get on the field due to injury.

On the whole, it hasn't been a bad draft if you consider we had no first day picks.
 

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Sides have nothing to do with paying attention to draft picks...ever really look at who the 'fabled' Bill Parcells brought onto and off the roster for our Cowboys, and compare those added by Wade Phillips?

Let's just take something of a comparison view here:

Sides have nothing to do with facts and transitions as well.

Parcells: Let's see HIS franchise quarterbacks: Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe...need we go into those backups as well?

Head running back: Hambrick and Julius Jones...feel awed yet?

Let's get into some of his top picks: Bobby Carpenter, Antonio Bryant, Derek Ross, Pete Hunter, Justin Bates, Al Johnson, BJ Tucker, Zuriel Smith, Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterson, Bruce Thornton, Nathan Jones, Jacqued Reeves, Rob Petitti...I see how many of his specific selections just roll off the tongue.

Wait, don't forget Skyler Green, Montaveous Stanley, and EJ Whitley.

I guess that Wade can now take credit for James Marten and Courtney Brown...yea, go figure the desparity.


Wait, Eric Walden has disappeared from the Wade list as well, until now, that is three years compared to the glory achieved during the Parcells' glorious uplifting.

Nope, this still boils down to a good 'ol tar and feathering without due insights....
 

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