BP said it himself!

[50cent]

We've forced five turnovers in our three losses. That's 1.67 per game. The NFL average (for all teams, good and bad) is 1.73 turnovers per game, so we're forcing turnovers at an average rate against good teams. We're even better against bad teams (2.33 per game).

Of the five TOs, i can remember only three. The Tnew interception, IMO was a neccesity TO to stop the bleeding. The Tiki fumble and Westbrook fumble are 2 game changing TOs that I would like to see more of. Please feel me in on the other two, for my frustration has clouded mt memory right now. OH yeah, the 2 game changing TOs that I remember, the offese did squat with both. Not the defenses fault, but still no return on great plays.

 

[AdamJT13]

I don't see enough TOs vs good teams.

This isn't Madden. Forcing two turnovers in a game against a good team IS creating plenty of turnovers.

 

[50cent]

This isn't Madden. Forcing two turnovers in a game against a good team IS creating plenty of turnovers.

Again, I'm speaking of TOs deep in our opponent side of the field and that result in points. Teams thrive off of plays like this. I understand where you are coming from, but it seems that we are afraid to attack vs quality teams. I know you know, so please remind me of the other 2 TOs we forced vs good teams and whether or not they resulted in points?

 

[AdamJT13]

Of the five TOs, i can remember only three. The Tnew interception, IMO was a neccesity TO to stop the bleeding.

It also changed momentum. We took the ball, drove it and scored to make it 12-7. On the Giants' next play, Ware forced the fumble, and we were in position to take the lead. What happened? We threw an interception.

The Tiki fumble and Westbrook fumble are 2 game changing TOs that I would like to see more of. Please feel me in on the other two, for my frustration has clouded mt memory right now. OH yeah, the 2 game changing TOs that I remember, the offese did squat with both. Not the defenses fault, but still no return on great plays.

Ellis' sack, forced fumble and Ware's return for a touchdown to give us the lead against the Eagles was pretty big at the time, don't you think?

And Roy intercepted Byron Leftwich when we were up 10-3 a few minutes before halftime. Unfortunately, we got greedy on offense and went pass-pass-pass-pass-pass. Of course, Bledsoe got picked off, setting up a short TD drive for the Jaguars to tie it right before halftime.

 

[alancdc]

Too many deep passes completed. Seems like other teams have scored in a "hurry", and it takes us 10 plays and 80 yards. Now sometimes that is a good thing, but once in a while it would be nice to take one to the house from 60 yards out like has happened to us.

 

[wileedog]

Again, I'm speaking of TOs deep in our opponent side of the field and that result in points.

SO when Adam comes back at you with more stats, will you qualify it down to "I'm talking about turnovers between the opponents 10 and 20 yard line when the running back drops it and the weather is partly cloudy (less then 65 degress prefferable but definitely more than 40 degrees) while Bill wears a white shirt and Roy dances a jig singing "Its a small world after all"?

Give it a rest. "Afreaid to attack other teams" is getting boring.

 

[theWave21]

I've learned from watching the Eagles over the past few years that there's no substitute for a good pass rush. Pressure on the quarterback makes everyone in the secondary look better. Those corners in Philly are being exposed this year, why, because their pass rush isn't what it has been in years past. That's not counting the game against us, haha.

I don't understand what our philosophy is on defense. We get no pass rush, yet insist on jamming the wr's on the outside and drop our line backers too deep, giving up the easy short pass over the middle. First of all, with our above average secondary, we should be blitzing more. When you blitz, it makes sense to jam on the outside. Zimmer is doing a terrible job with an above average group of players.

 

[AdamJT13]

Again, I'm speaking of TOs deep in our opponent side of the field and that result in points.

What is the defense supposed to do? Return EVERY turnover for a touchdown? Kick the offense off the field and score by itself? The defense scored one touchdown itself and gave the offense the ball at the 14 another time. What do you want? Two of those every game? Have some perspective.

 

[50cent]

SO when Adam comes back at you with more stats, will you qualify it down to "I'm talking about turnovers between the opponents 10 and 20 yard line when the running back drops it and the weather is partly cloudy (less then 65 degress prefferable but definitely more than 40 degrees) while Bill wears a white shirt and Roy dances a jig singing "Its a small world after all"?

Give it a rest. "Afreaid to attack other teams" is getting boring.

No you give it a rest. First, this was a convo between myself and Adam. Second, I didn't disregard anything Adam said. He is one of the guys that is weel respected about the boys and I know he knows what he is taking about. Lastly, if you don't like my opinions its not your birth right to respond. Holla!

 

[wileedog]

Lastly, if you don't like my opinions its not your birth right to respond.

I had no idea message boards were based upon Divine Right.

My humble apologies sire. I shall endeavor to gain the Good Lord's blessing before I again intrude upon your inane, cliched ramblings.

 

[50cent]

What is the defense supposed to do? Return EVERY turnover for a touchdown? Kick the offense off the field and score by itself? The defense scored one touchdown itself and gave the offense the ball at the 14 another time. What do you want? Two of those every game? Have some perspective.

I do have perspective, but I'm tired of seeing our defense lay back and take blows instead of creating opportunities. Part of my frustartion has to do with the fact that I feel we are wasting good CB play by sitting back and taking punches. Of the five, we still only capitalized on 2. Thats not good and one the defense took care of it by themselves. I don't think I'm asking for a lot when I hear roy in pre-season talk about new schemes that ares upposed to keep teams confused. Only to see the same packages game in and game out in prime position to make something happen. Only to be let down by a lack of creativity and another converted 3rd and long in great situations for the defense. We lack killer instinct and this has festered for years now. To see teams bait our offense into TOs in critical situation and none for us in the same situation is tiresome.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Exactly, Manning should have had 3 INTs. We dropped 2 easy ones.

Actually, I was referring to our offense turning the ball over, at least against the better teams. Three INTs against the Jags, three INTs and two fumbles against the Eagles, and four INTs against the Giants... Our defense has been disappointing, but no defense can hold teams down when their offense is giving the ball away four times a game against good teams.

 

[AdamJT13]

Of the five, we still only capitalized on 2. Thats not good and one the defense took care of it by themselves.

Like I said, it's not the defense's fault when the offense gives the ball right back.

Only to be let down by a lack of creativity and another converted 3rd and long in great situations for the defense.

We've allowed only 19.5-percent conversions on third-and-long, with more sacks (nine) than conversions (eight) in those situations. For comparison, our offense has converted 18 times on third-and-long.

 

[50cent]

Week in and week out I see defenses undercut a receiver for an INT, strip the ball from a QB, or put there hat on the ball to force a fumble. I honestly can't remember the last time one of DBs step in front of a WR for an INT vs a good team. Its almost like they are too tenative to do so with AGlenn the only guy wanting to take that chance. Of the five TOs your talking about, here' is how I see them. You may disagree, but here goes.

Roy INT vs Jax. - Poorly thrown ball. The play was made and I'm happy. He didn't bait Leftwich and it really was a poorly thrown ball.

McNabbs fumble - Exaclty what I would like to see more often. I think we got screwed with the Eli fumble, but I think teams thrive off of TOs like that.

Westbrooks fumble - Great play. We need more

Elis INT to TNew - Antoher poor pass, but the play was made. I'm happy. I just see it as another bad throw by Eli, not the baiting by TNew. I'll take it.

Tikis fumble - See Westbrooks fumble.

Of the 5, only 3 IMO are great plays made by the defense that frustrate an offense and the other 2 are ones the offense go back to the sideline knowing it was there doing moreso than what the defense did to them. So that 3 big plays in 3 big games that the defense has forced. Not enough too me, but that the way I see it. 3 outstanding plays in about 100+ plays vs good teams is below par to me.

 

[50cent]

Like I said, it's not the defense's fault when the offense gives the ball right back.



We've allowed only 19.5-percent conversions on third-and-long, with more sacks (nine) than conversions (eight) in those situations. For comparison, our offense has converted 18 times on third-and-long.

I'm not blaming the defense for what Bledsoe has done with those opportunities and I'm more than happy with the 3rd down rate. What I am upset about is that we are content with just getting off the field on 3rd down and not thriving on the opportunity to make a play on those third and long situations. It would go a long way for us to turn the field position around once in awhile vs a good team instead of being satisfied to force a punt into our territory. For once I would like to play with the short field and that has only happened twice in so called statement games that we have played.

 

[WilmingtonHeel]

Wilee that's a good one LOL! I want Zimm to let them be more aggressive develop an attitude

 

[AdamJT13]

Week in and week out I see defenses undercut a receiver for an INT, strip the ball from a QB, or put there hat on the ball to force a fumble.

You tell me which defense has done that more than one time in every game against a good team.

If you're complaining because "only" three of our five turnovers in three games against good teams are "great plays," then your expectations are unrealistic for an NFL defense.

Here's some homework -- the two best defenses so far this season are Chicago and Denver. Go look at how many turnovers they've had against good teams and how many of those were a "great play" by your standards. Then look at how many times they had ZERO turnovers against a good team.

 

[ddh33]

It's not rocket science, and you certainly don't have to be a Norman Einstein. The turnovers by the offense and ill-timed big plays given up by the defense have killed this team at times.

It sounds simplistic, and apparently a lot of fans think it makes him a bad coach, but Bill is right when he says that if the team cuts down the turnovers and big plays they WILL win.

In all honesty, there's no reason why both can't happen.

 

[sjordan6]

It also changed momentum. We took the ball, drove it and scored to make it 12-7. On the Giants' next play, Ware forced the fumble, and we were in position to take the lead. What happened? We threw an interception.



Ellis' sack, forced fumble and Ware's return for a touchdown to give us the lead against the Eagles was pretty big at the time, don't you think?

And Roy intercepted Byron Leftwich when we were up 10-3 a few minutes before halftime. Unfortunately, we got greedy on offense and went pass-pass-pass-pass-pass. Of course, Bledsoe got picked off, setting up a short TD drive for the Jaguars to tie it right before halftime.

give him some room Adam...the facts are too hot to handle. It has amazed me how there are so many people who dont see the flaws and total destruction Bledsoe has had on this team. He is worst than T.O.!

Yes I will take the stage and bash Bledsoe too. His mistakes had penetrated on the defensive side and has effected the whole team. No one wanted to say anything because he was a nice guy but Adam is only pointing out the facts.

Parcells can handle Romo. This is still a very good football team with alot of weapons. I think Romo will only have to eliminate the turnovers. I think he will.

I would like to get stats on the number of ints Bledsoe has thrown in the fourth quarter and his team loss ( seattle and oakland last season. Philly this season.)

Romo mayor may not be the savior but I just couldnt stomach Bledsoe anymore. Better late than never!

 

[Alexander]

What is the defense supposed to do? Return EVERY turnover for a touchdown? Kick the offense off the field and score by itself? The defense scored one touchdown itself and gave the offense the ball at the 14 another time. What do you want? Two of those every game? Have some perspective.

The Giants showed us perspective when Shockey faked Roy Williams out of his cleats and when Brandon Jacobs ran over two defenders for a touchdown.