BPA at 18???

[MissionCoach]

OK...Realistically speaking...not based upon personal wants or even team needs...who are the BPA's available when we pick at 18??? McNeill? Greenway? Ko Simpson or Winston Justice? Opinions....

 

[MrPhil]

From your list, Greenway would definitely be a BPA based on what I have read in scouting reports. I could realistically se the others being BPA as well. Some others that come to mind as potential BPA (combine dependent)are:

RB - Laurence Maroney
WR - Santonio Holmes
OLB - Chris Carpenter
TE - Vernon Davis
CB/S - Jimmy Williams
DT - Haloti Ngata

I realize some of these guys would have to slip a bit from current rankings or have good showing at the Combine but, it is possible.

 

[Hostile]

OK...Realistically speaking...not based upon personal wants or even team needs...who are the BPA's available when we pick at 18??? McNeill? Greenway? Ko Simpson or Winston Justice? Opinions....

Until we know who goes 1 through 17 can we really answer this with any degree of certainty? What if Michael Huff, AJ Hawk, or Haloti Ngata drop unexpectedly? Too many variables to answer.

 

[Dayton Cowboy]

OK...Realistically speaking...not based upon personal wants or even team needs...who are the BPA's available when we pick at 18??? McNeill? Greenway? Ko Simpson or Winston Justice? Opinions....

You would almost have to do a mock draft up to that point to see who was taken before. That said, I'm not sold on Greenway, McNeill reportedly has back problems(think David Lafleur).. I don't know that much about Ko or Justice(has character issues.. can someone give some info on this?)

 

[superpunk]

What if Michael Huff, AJ Hawk, or Haloti Ngata drop unexpectedly?

Pick 'em.

 

[Qwickdraw]

Strange and funny things will begin to happen after the combine.
I've seen it time and time again.

 

[MrPhil]

Strange and funny things will begin to happen after the combine.
I've seen it time and time again.

Agree, I will be interested to see who falls and who jumps up.

At #18, I think we are in a good position to benefit from a top guy dropping. Whether that is by taking him or trading down, I kinda like where we are (#32 would be better).

 

[burmafrd]

there are always half a dozen or more BPA's at any one pick. Usually about the same worth- so you take the one that you think you need the most.
LB, FS, OT - one of those should be on that list at least.

 

[MissionCoach]

Obviously it is a little early to speculate, and anything can happen after the Combine....just wondering as of now what athletes you would deem worthy of the #18 pick....

 

[Woods]

O.K. Let's make this easy.

Who is better value (not need) versus

S. Holmes and
Carpenter.

While I'd prefer Carpenter, from the scouting reports I've been reading, it's Holmes.

What do you guys think?

(Sorry, didn't mean to highjack this thread!)

 

[burmafrd]

How do you really evaluate vs a LB and a WR? You can't. Both are considered first rd choices, though Holmes is a bit more of a stretch then Carpenter. The way I look at it, if they are close to the same value, then you go for need. This blind BPA thing really is stupid.

 

[Doomsday101]

How do you really evaluate vs a LB and a WR? You can't. Both are considered first rd choices, though Holmes is a bit more of a stretch then Carpenter. The way I look at it, if they are close to the same value, then you go for need. This blind BPA thing really is stupid.

I agree BPA that fits a need, in todays game not many teams can afford to have a guy sit behind a starter too long so when you make that pick I think most are expecting some contribution within the 1st couple of years.

 

[superpunk]

O.K. Let's make this easy.

Who is better value (not need) versus

S. Holmes and
Carpenter.

While I'd prefer Carpenter, from the scouting reports I've been reading, it's Holmes.

What do you guys think?

(Sorry, didn't mean to highjack this thread!)

Here's how I would look at it....

Currently, we have solid players at 2 of the 4 LB positions. Singleton is a question mark, so we might have 3.

Our top 4 recieving options are already filled.

Our NEED for LBs, far outweighs our NEED for the 5th option in our offense, whether that player will be good in the future or not.

 

[Woods]

Here's how I would look at it....

Currently, we have solid players at 2 of the 4 LB positions. Singleton is a question mark, so we might have 3.

Our top 4 recieving options are already filled.

Our NEED for LBs, far outweighs our NEED for the 5th option in our offense, whether that player will be good in the future or not.

Hey, I agree with you. I also prefer Carpenter.

But who offers better VALUE at 18? (Not in terms of need.) Let's assume for a minute that we were already stacked at LB and WR. Between these 2 players, which one would you take?

 

[superpunk]

Hey, I agree with you. I also prefer Carpenter.

But who offers better VALUE at 18? (Not in terms of need.) Let's assume for a minute that we were already stacked at LB and WR. Between these 2 players, which one would you take?

Neither. I'd much rather us look at a LB that played the 3-4 in college, like D'Qwell Jackson or Kai Parham, but those might be second rounders. If I HAD to choose between those two, I'd probably take Holmes. But you can't look at it from a STRICTLY bpa viewpoint. If you do that, you end up like the Lions, taking a WR three years in a row, simply because it was the BPA.

 

[braw]

What they need with the 18th pick is value. A WR and a OT is not value in this years draft. They take time to contribute.

Trade down if Cutler, Young, or any of the projected top 15 fall to get value maybe a 3rd or 4 rounder( extra Oline pick). Then draft an OLB ( Carpenter) in the 1st round(can contribute right away)

in the second round a WR/PR is ideal Moss from the U can come in and contribute in ST and young speed to wr corp.

So then the next 3 picks(extra pick from the move down in the 1st) goes like FB, TE, and OT in one particular order.

Then safety and Oline could round up the draft.

 

[Woods]

Neither. I'd much rather us look at a LB that played the 3-4 in college, like D'Qwell Jackson or Kai Parham, but those might be second rounders. If I HAD to choose between those two, I'd probably take Holmes. But you can't look at it from a STRICTLY bpa viewpoint. If you do that, you end up like the Lions, taking a WR three years in a row, simply because it was the BPA.

In any case, I think IF Carpenter were 100% healthy (which he probably will be soon), the difference between Carpenter (who can play in the 3-4 with his size and speed) and Holmes is probably only 3-5 spots.

I think if the difference between LB and WR were more like 7-10 spots, we'd either have to trade down, if possible, or take the best player, or take a completely different position.

I agree it doesn't make sense to just take the best player, but if the difference between availability and need is a lot of spots in the draft, I think if you can't trade down, you take the best player.

 

[ravidubey]

Neither. I'd much rather us look at a LB that played the 3-4 in college, like D'Qwell Jackson or Kai Parham, but those might be second rounders. If I HAD to choose between those two, I'd probably take Holmes. But you can't look at it from a STRICTLY bpa viewpoint. If you do that, you end up like the Lions, taking a WR three years in a row, simply because it was the BPA.

Of all our major needs, WR, OL, FS, LB, clearly linebacker is the best value this draft has to offer at position 18. There's one or two OL who are better prospects than the 18th pick and all the rest of the OL, FS, and WR prospects are reaches at 18. That leaves either LB or BPA, and it would be irresponsible to ignore the need at LB if the talent matches the pick.

 

[burmafrd]

one could say that the best arguement against blindly going BPA is Detroit.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Who are the top 12 guys projected by most mock drafts? Those top-12 are the players we most likely will NOT get because they won't fall to the #18 spot. But the next 13-18 guys - a total of 6 possible - could potentially be there at the #18 spot when we pick. The question now is who are the #13-18 best players in this year's draft? If I had time to look that up I would. It would be nice if someone w/ more time than me could look that up and post the bios of these players.

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