BPA more important now than ever

[Galian Beast]

A lot of people want to reach for a player who fits a position of need rather than the best player available. We're in a position where we need more catalytic players on defense and offense who can contribute immediately.

Drafting a QB doesn't do that for us at all in this draft.

If we could get Joey Bosa that would be a great pick up, but we're going to need to re-sign Hardy well before then and I still doubt we get him unless we lose our next two games.

My targets are as follows:
Vernon Hargreaves III or Jalen Ramsey

Getting either of these two players would help flesh out our secondary. The concern with Ramsey would be playing him out of position. Ideally, I'd want him as a Free Safety, but I don't want to play Byron Jones at cornerback under any circumstances.

Ideally I would like to see us trade down and get Ezekiel Elliot and some help on defense early. I would even look into trading back into the 1st from there.

We need to come out of free agency and the draft having fixed our secondary, essentially rebuilding it from the top down and we need to add some spice to our offense with a speedy receiver and a running back. We have no speed on offense and as a result we deal with a onslaught of blitzing that keeps getting Romo kileld. If we go into the season with McFadden as our defacto starter, we're going to be in trouble.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

BPA works, but when it comes to the QB position...that is the lone exception.

The fact is that we would walk away with this division if Romo and Dez were healthy. So, there's no reason to worry about a rookie QB having to sit on the bench. The talent level, when reasonably healthy, on this team is far superior to the rest of the division.

We can't blindly draft a QB, but if one of them is there and is more or less worthy of the pick, we have to take him. This idea that we have to mortgage the future to win a Super Bowl now has NEVER worked for us. In fact, it ends up backfiring against us every single time.

Furthermore, with the rookie salary cap...the hit on a rookie QB not playing is far less severe.

I like Paxton Lynch a lot. If he's there and we don't take him, Jerry can count me out as far as me giving him money next year (unless Lynch has something seriously wrong with him between now and then).

The thing about the safety position...as much as I do believe we need to find a safety...is we can still find great safeties in other rounds. But on the other hand, the safety position is changing and they are becoming more like hybrid corner/safeties. The Eagles are a great example of that, so getting Ramsey isn't a bad option.

I really wouldn't mind us taking a flier on Karl Joseph. Either way, we need to get much better at safety so we can mix up zone and man coverage. But, if a QB is there in the first round that we think is worthy of a pick, even if he's not the BPA, we have to take him. We would be stupid to do otherwise.






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[darthseinfeld]

BPA works, but when it comes to the QB position...that is the lone exception.

The fact is that we would walk away with this division if Romo and Dez were healthy. So, there's no reason to worry about a rookie QB having to sit on the bench. The talent level, when reasonably healthy, on this team is far superior to the rest of the division.

We can't blindly draft a QB, but if one of them is there and is more or less worthy of the pick, we have to take him. This idea that we have to mortgage the future to win a Super Bowl now has NEVER worked for us. In fact, it ends up backfiring against us every single time.

Furthermore, with the rookie salary cap...the hit on a rookie QB not playing is far less severe.

I like Paxton Lynch a lot. If he's there and we don't take him, Jerry can count me out as far as me giving him money next year (unless Lynch has something seriously wrong with him between now and then).

The thing about the safety position...as much as I do believe we need to find a safety...is we can still find great safeties in other rounds. But on the other hand, the safety position is changing and they are becoming more like hybrid corner/safeties. The Eagles are a great example of that, so getting Ramsey isn't a bad option.

I really wouldn't mind us taking a flier on Karl Joseph. Either way, we need to get much better at safety so we can mix up zone and man coverage. But, if a QB is there in the first round that we think is worthy of a pick, even if he's not the BPA, we have to take him. We would be stupid to do otherwise.






YR

In this draft based off the likelihood we will be drafting 4 to 6, QB is liklely going to be BPA. But thats my opinion for Goff and Lynch whom I feel may be overrated as #1 overall prospects, but are easily top 5 level prospects

 

[darthseinfeld]

BPA works, but when it comes to the QB position...that is the lone exception.

The fact is that we would walk away with this division if Romo and Dez were healthy. So, there's no reason to worry about a rookie QB having to sit on the bench. The talent level, when reasonably healthy, on this team is far superior to the rest of the division.

We can't blindly draft a QB, but if one of them is there and is more or less worthy of the pick, we have to take him. This idea that we have to mortgage the future to win a Super Bowl now has NEVER worked for us. In fact, it ends up backfiring against us every single time.

Furthermore, with the rookie salary cap...the hit on a rookie QB not playing is far less severe.

I like Paxton Lynch a lot. If he's there and we don't take him, Jerry can count me out as far as me giving him money next year (unless Lynch has something seriously wrong with him between now and then).

The thing about the safety position...as much as I do believe we need to find a safety...is we can still find great safeties in other rounds. But on the other hand, the safety position is changing and they are becoming more like hybrid corner/safeties. The Eagles are a great example of that, so getting Ramsey isn't a bad option.

I really wouldn't mind us taking a flier on Karl Joseph. Either way, we need to get much better at safety so we can mix up zone and man coverage. But, if a QB is there in the first round that we think is worthy of a pick, even if he's not the BPA, we have to take him. We would be stupid to do otherwise.






YR

If you play Jones at FS as the OP suggest, you cross Ramsey off your board IMO. Not an NFL CB.

If we play Jones at FS and want to go secondary, I go Hargreaves all the way

 

[texbumthelife]

I just don't understand the people so against Jones at corner. There is really nothing in the tape to warrant such a reaction. He's been the teams best nickel back and at times, best corner when outside. I understand preferring him at safety, that's just preference, but wanting him at corner "under no circumstances" just makes no sense.

 

[texbumthelife]

If you play Jones at FS as the OP suggest, you cross Ramsey off your board IMO. Not an NFL CB.

If we play Jones at FS and want to go secondary, I go Hargreaves all the way

Honestly, he may not even be an NFL FS. Not in the sense of being a center fielder like so many people want here.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I just don't understand the people so against Jones at corner. There is really nothing in the tape to warrant such a reaction. He's been the teams best nickel back and at times, best corner when outside. I understand preferring him at safety, that's just preference, but wanting him at corner "under no circumstances" just makes no sense.

People just get tired of the FS issues I think. His play at CB and FS has been about the same IMO and to me he is a much more natural CB the FS.

I dont see them playing him at FS. He fits what they want at CB, long, athletic and physical. He is a single high Safety playing for a DC that favors Cover 2 and his system is built around cover 2. They are playing single high out if nessesity

 

[darthseinfeld]

Honestly, he may not even be an NFL FS. Not in the sense of being a center fielder like so many people want here.

I thought he was a mediocre college safety. He got himself on the map as a prospect playing CB before blowing up the combine and going from second rounder to first. I think he has played well at safety, but he has played just as well if not better at CB.

Also this is a scheme in which it is necessary to run 2 deep safeties. People want a CF type, but thats not what this system calls for

 

[texbumthelife]

People just get tired of the FS issues I think. His play at CB and FS has been about the same IMO and to me he is a much more natural CB the FS.

I dont see them playing him at FS. He fits what they want at CB, long, athletic and physical. He is a single high Safety playing for a DC that favors Cover 2 and his system is built around cover 2. They are playing single high out if nessesity

Like I said, I get the preference. I just don't get the people who are vehemently against it. It could be what's best for this team, even if we remain deficient at safety.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Like I said, I get the preference. I just don't get the people who are vehemently against it. It could be what's best for this team, even if we remain deficient at safety.

Safety is more flashy the CB.

 

[texbumthelife]

Safety is more flashy the CB.

Eh, some people will cut off their nose to spite their face at this point. The fact is we can go safety or corner and strengthen this team tremendously. I would rather have Hargreaves AND Jones at corner, and take a guy like Bush or Kearse later.

 

[AzorAhai]

In this draft based off the likelihood we will be drafting 4 to 6, QB is liklely going to be BPA. But thats my opinion for Goff and Lynch whom I feel may be overrated as #1 overall prospects, but are easily top 5 level prospects

I agree. I would go BPA with QB being a slight exception. If Goff and Lynch are ranked 15 and 17, of course you don't pick them at 5. If they are 7 and 9 I wouldn't consider that a reach.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Eh, some people will cut off their nose to spite their face at this point. The fact is we can go safety or corner and strengthen this team tremendously. I would rather have Hargreaves AND Jones at corner, and take a guy like Bush or Kearse later.

To me safeties are only as good as the support around them. You have CB's that can take away parts of the field and a pass rush to force throws, odds are you will have a " very good" safety

 

[darthseinfeld]

I agree. I would go BPA with QB being a slight exception. If Goff and Lynch are ranked 15 and 17, of course you don't pick them at 5. If they are 7 and 9 I wouldn't consider that a reach.

I compare both to Ryan and Bortles draft stock wise. Potentially elite QB's that deserve to go top 5, but dont check off enough boxes to go #1

 

[reddyuta]

No DB is a sure thing.heck pundits were comparing mo to Deoin and look how that turned out,no DB dratefd high would change our fortunes significantly to make a difference in the first year.

 

[darthseinfeld]

No DB is a sure thing.heck pundits were comparing mo to Deoin and look how that turned out,no DB dratefd high would change our fortunes significantly to make a difference in the first year.

And look at the guy drafted right after him, Mark Barron. Considered one of the safer pro ready Safeties to come out. I think he is a LB now

 

[reddyuta]

And look at the guy drafted right after him, Mark Barron. Considered one of the safer pro ready Safeties to come out. I think he is a LB now

Yep.guys here are acting like only QBs Bust OUT but I bet the DBs bust rate is higher in the first round.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If you play Jones at FS as the OP suggest, you cross Ramsey off your board IMO. Not an NFL CB.

If we play Jones at FS and want to go secondary, I go Hargreaves all the way

I don't know why we can't possibly have both Jones and Ramsey at safety. As I mentioned, neither Malcolm Jenkins or Walter Thurmond are true SS by any stretch. In fact, both were converted safeties. The game has changed. And I'd rather have a textbook, sure tackler than a guy like Church who can lay the wood, but is inconsistent with his tackling.




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[texbumthelife]

No DB is a sure thing.heck pundits were comparing mo to Deoin and look how that turned out,no DB dratefd high would change our fortunes significantly to make a difference in the first year.

That couldn't be any further from the truth. Just because we struck out with Mo doesn't mean thats the norm. There are DB's coming into the league having an immediate impact every year. Look at what Marcus Peters did for Kansas City. Look at the impact Byron Jones had here. I don't think Ramsey would be a day one difference maker but I think Hargreaves could be.

 

[texbumthelife]

I don't know why we can't possibly have both Jones and Ramsey at safety. As I mentioned, neither Malcolm Jenkins or Walter Thurmond are true SS by any stretch. In fact, both were converted safeties. The game has changed. And I'd rather have a textbook, sure tackler than a guy like Church who can lay the wood, but is inconsistent with his tackling.




YR

I sincerely think Ramsey is a better SS prospect in the NFL than FS. I think he is closer to what teams look for in the SS position now. He is going to make his money covering tight ends and playing shallow zones. He is never going to be a one-high guy, I just don't see it.