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BPA WR or highest ranked Defensive player?

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by CowboyRoy, Apr 3, 2020.

  1. Tussinman

    Tussinman Well-Known Member

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    I kinda of agree, especially in the first 2 rounds.

    Take a player that's a near guranteed lock to start day 1. Drafting a player that sits on the bench for 2 or 3 years and then you have to pay them a 2nd contract after only starting 1 or 2 seasons is a waste of an early pick.

    Thornhill was predicted to be a day 1 starter at a position of need, should of gotten him. Like you said BPA especially in early rounds are rated so close to each other anyways so take someone that improves the team NOW.
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  2. bcavi

    bcavi Active Member

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    I would be fine with either at 17 unless you think a player, I'd say within 5 picks is markedly better at their respective position.

    Epenesa had good production in college. He's a powerful dude, and he played well. He may not have wildcat measurables, but in my eyes he's good enough to consider where the Cowboys pick. I would still take Chaisson over him because I think he'll exceed his college production, no longer having a stacked roster like he did at LSU. I am not sure how he was schemed at LSU. Maybe he was generally told to hold the edge, rather than pin his ears back and go after the passer. Either way, I agree with ksk that he has boom or bust potential, although I don't think he'll fall of the earth, regardless.
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  3. Rayman70

    Rayman70 Well-Known Member

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    I THINK I RATHER HAVE AJ. You mentioned it, the power. He's a heavy handed edge guy that has a knack for doing enough to get to the QB. The production at Iowa is huge.
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  4. Rayman70

    Rayman70 Well-Known Member

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    ^^this^^ is likely what will happen.
  5. bcavi

    bcavi Active Member

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    I don't think we can go wrong with either. I do think Chaisson will be gone anyway. At least from what I've seen from a few mock draft boards.
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  6. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    You may well go down as the WORST judge of Oline talent in the history of the world!!

    Looney replaces Frederick and out of nowhere, the Cowboys give up 56 sacks. Frederick returns at 70% and the sacks go down to 23? Yet here you sit analyzing that Looney played better than Frederick in his return?


    And lets not forget that you were the guy that told me for 3 YEARS that Chaz Green was a good player?
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  7. Jfconrow

    Jfconrow Active Member

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    I think I would just like to see them build in the trenches. A shinny new WR would be cool but Dallas historically has had so many weapons there’s not enough balls to go around. I’m even hesitant to draft an early CB, Dallas has had a great secondary for years and they don’t really produce turnovers or keep the score down. Give me a LB for some big hits or dynamic SS, otherwise I’m hoping for OL and DL.
  8. DanA

    DanA Well-Known Member

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    The tape can't show communication.

    Maybe Looney matched Frederick in terms of one on one blocking (dubious but maybe arguable), but anyone that tells me that Frederick didn't play a huge part in improving our O-line's overall play through better communication than Looney and ability to set blocking assignments pre-snap.....I just can't respect their opinion.
  9. Bullflop

    Bullflop Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Most teams like to go on record talking up a BPA preference but when push comes to shove, they're bending the truth to suit what many fans want to hear. 90% of them end up picking the best player available at a position of need, even though they claim otherwise. In effect, going strictly BPA ends up being far more of a myth than a fact with the vast majority of teams in the NFL.
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  10. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Yah, its ridiculous. Looney is a career backup and Frederick is an all pro. There is going to be a huge drop off. Then just look at the results. 56 sacks and 23 sacks. Doesn't take a genius.

    Now the Running game didn't seem to suffer as bad. But then that makes some sense. All looney had to do was snap it and fire off the ball and block his guy. Pass blocking is a much more complex event.
  11. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Maybe further on down the draft they just blindly pick BPA. But not with the first pick they don't. And certainly with the 17th pick there is going to be multiple positions where there is stud available.
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  12. xwalker

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    Looney/Frederick were not the only differences between the 2018 and 2019 OL...

    2018 OL Recap:
    The OL coach was fired during the season.

    Martin missed 2 games and struggled with a back injury.

    Rookie Connor Williams started the season at LG then got injured.

    XSF then started but had minimal practice time in the scheme.

    Tyron had 3 different injury issues thar he struggled with during the season.

    La'el was most affected by the new OL coach in a negative way. He spent training camp trying to play with different technique and that affected him even after the OL coach was replaced.

    Frederick's issues were more about run blocking, especially 2nd level blocking where he was late to get to LBs.

    They definitely missed Frederick's line calls and leadership in 2018; however, in 2019 Frederick was physically far from his pre-illness self and he seemed to have some struggles related to changing his technique/approach in an attempt to offset his new limitations. Oddly he still seemed strong but his movements seemed to suffer much more than his strength. I really think Frederick would have improved this season based on the experience of the other NFL OLineman that had the same disease.
  13. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Who said Looney was the only problem? Which doenst change anything.

    And by the way......in 2019 Martin was the most injured he had ever been, Williams blew out his knee and missed the end of the season and Tyron Smith was banged up just like in 2018. So really, the ONLY big difference between 2018 and 2019 was Looney.

    I will say that Collins played poorly the first half of 2018 and played better in 2019. But again, some of that was probably the fact that their leader, Frederick was not there.
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  14. Verdict

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    I think Chaisson seems like a second or third round value to me. I don’t see eye popping talent there.

    I have seen less of Epenesa. He will probably go high. I’m just not sure he will be all that and a bag of chips.

    I would rather have a good solid hit at 17 than a boom or bust guy. Murray or Gallimore seem more solid, less risk.
  15. kskboys

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    Oh, Chaisson has the talent. Only question is whether it will translate.

    Epenesa is more of a solid type player w/ a high floor. Highly unlikely to bust.
  16. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Well said.
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  17. bcavi

    bcavi Active Member

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    Based upon draft grades, I can see Murray. I think this may be high for Gallimore. What I'd question is who has the greatest likelihood to see the field vs an Epenesa or Chaisson, which RDE is so up in the air right now, I feel they'll have a better opportunity and would be impactful players. Murray could very well be our 3rd linebacker in the rotation. They think he'll project better as an outside LB rather than inside, so he'd definitely have a chance unseating Lee there. Of course this is based upon if all the previous aforementioned players are not there when we pick. I will say this, a funny thing that I've seen is Chaisson and Epenesa being drafted way at the back end of the 1st round, and some have them at 13 and 16, respectively, so it's a crapshoot really.
  18. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Although we don't know how it will turn out, this is similar to the Clowney vs Mack draft. Chaisson is like Clowney, extremely athletic w a very high ceiling, but a lower floor to go w/ it. Epensa appears to be a very solid player at the very least, but not as high of a ceiling.

    W/ Epensa, we'd finally get that "other DE", the great run stopper on the other side who should be a stalwart for 10 years. However, there's a definite chance that he's more than that. He could easily be a Cam Jordan type, who is BTW a grossly underrated player in the NFL just because he's not a high sack number guy.

    Very tough choice, if they're both available.
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  19. Reezy

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    He's really good and I am all about drafting BPA but we really need a RDE and I think with what we can get with Randy and Aldon we can develop him to be a beast. I don't think Kinlaw is as big of a need anymore but he would set us up on the Dline for the future as well. Ruggs would be that tyreek hill type to take our offense over the top, all you need is 3 game wrecking plays from him and he will dictate coverage.
  20. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Bottom line is when you draft you have to look out two years minimum.

    DE, DT, CB, TE, Safety, Center. All these positions have a bandaid.

    Sitting on our bench healthy and ready to break out.

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