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BPA WR or highest ranked Defensive player?

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by CowboyRoy, Apr 3, 2020.

  1. TwentyOne

    TwentyOne Well-Known Member

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    Easy.

    Highest ranked defensive player.

    Dak cant make more then one read. Why surround him with even more talent? He showed in 2019 that he cant step it up. Even with all pros on every position.

    With that kind of talent at the qb position you have to help him on defense. Dont overtax him.on offense.
     
  2. 3rd_n_inches

    3rd_n_inches Well-Known Member

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    Dallas seems to be a good fit then
     
  3. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    BPA with a strong lean to premium positions. Pick a player that turns out great and nobody will regret the pick long term regardless of position.

    The most most difficult and expensive positions in regards to veteran players, other than QB, are WR, outside pass rusher, LT. Most of the big trades for veterans in recent years seem to be for outside pass rushers or WRs.

    The Cowboys have had the most success when they draft a player that they were "sold on". Players like Zack Martin, Tyron and Frederick. On picks like Taco, both Stephen Jones and McClay expressed guarded optimism after the pick with SJ repeating several times "We really liked TJ Watt, but..."
     
  4. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    No Williams is bad too. Needs to be replaced. Desperate? No, but if we are a team that is centered around a dominant Oline. Paid Zeke a lot of money, same with Dak. If we are to maintain a dominant line, then we need a dominant center. Looney doenst cut it.

    If you want a line that is "fine", then by all means your there.
     
  5. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Dallas would actually be the PERFECT fit for Ruggs.
     
  6. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    In 2019 the Cowboys were:
    Total Yards: 1st
    Passing TDs: 6th (despite worst starting field position)
    Passing 1st downs: 4th

    All Offensive Players were All Pro???
    Witten: Long past his prime.
    #2 WR: Gallup. No.
    #3 WR: Cobb. Last accolade was 2014 Pro Bowl.
    La'el Collins: No Pro Bowls or All Pro selections yet.
    Frederick: Not close to himself in 2019. I'm not certain if he played as well overall as Looney did in 2018.
    Connor WIlliams / Xavier Sua-Filo: No.

    Tyron: He missed 3 games forcing Fleming to play LT. The starting OTs in 1 game were Fleming at LT and a rookie UDFA at RT.
    Cooper: Yes, but he played through injury most of the season.
    Martin: Yes.
    Zeke: Yes, but career low for Rush Yards per game. Not in football shape to start the season.
     
  7. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Garrett was a yes man. MM its clear from the start that he wanted certain things and has gotten them. And MM truly is overseeing the entire staff. Discussing with Nolan what he wants for DT's and Jerry is giving him what he/they all want.

    Signing two kickers? LOL That tells you right there that things have changed.
     
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  8. xwalker

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    Williams was playing really well in 2019. He was a bit inconsistent the first 3 games but afterwards he played really well overall. He was terrific in working with other blockers to pick up and pass off pass rushers on stunts and blitzes. He was terrific in 2nd level run blocking.

    He does not play the style that some fans want to see but he was very effective overall until he was out with the knee injury.

    They drafted Connor McGovern in 2019 because they were not certain that Frederick would make it through training camp.
     
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  9. CowboyRoy

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    I believe that Williams improved, but more than anything, he had Frederic back next to him. Frederick was a master of making the calls and helping out a guy like williams. Quick double teams when Williams would get in trouble. Always know what to do. Big big difference than being next to Looney that is having enough problems taking care of his own responsibilities.

    And lets not forget now that Williams is coming off a big injury.

    I see Mcgovern as a guard prospect that had some experience at center.

    I would be more than happy to see Mcgovern work out at Center.

    But my opinion is that Center is the most important position on the line. To have a dominant run game you need a pro bowl caliber center.

    So for my money, I am prioritizing center in the draft and Mcgovern can battle Williams at guard.
     
  10. kskboys

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    Why does everyone just love to reiterate "BPA"? I truly don't get it. Of course you shouldn't reach for need, but taking players at positions of strength will also get you nowhere, unless you have no weaknesses. And there's often no such thing as BPA anyway, as players who are available at your pick are rated so closely together that there's generally no clear BPA anyway.

    I think it's just a term that for some reason people have fallen in love w/, even though no team uses it as a standalone strategy.
     
  11. xwalker

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    Mentally Connor Williams surpassed La'el Collins in terms of blocking the right guy at the right time and running the play correctly.

    Also, in the 2018 season playoff game vs the Rams, Aaron Donald lined up most often against Connor Williams. It was one of the worst statistical games that Donald has had in his career...
     
  12. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Its a term people use when its suits their agenda.
     
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  13. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    You mean the game where they ran for 250 yards rushing on us? What am I missing?
     
  14. Verdict

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    I don’t think I would take Epenesa or Chaisson at #17.
     
  15. kskboys

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    Epenesa is more of a solid player type. Tolbert type.

    Chaisson has a superior skillset, but also bust potential.
     
  16. kskboys

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    Seems like a lazy term to me.
     
  17. xwalker

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    It's easier to say than "Don't draft based on immediate need".

    Position issues work themselves out. The majority of fans last year questioned drafting an interior OL in the 3rd round but picking an interior OL now looks like a great decision with Frederick retiring.

    Teams should draft with the goal that over the next 10 years they can look back at their 1st round picks and will have drafted more Pro Bowl and All Pro players than were drafted by other teams in the same period regardless of position.

    They draft Taco despite having TJ Watt rated slightly ahead of him on their talent based draft board because Taco projected to be a better fit in their scheme. That was similar to choosing between positions.

    In 2019 they drafted DT Hill over FS Thornhill because of position. Kris Richard convinced them that Xavier Woods could be as good as Thornhill would be at FS and that neither of them were good fits at SS. I'm not against the Hill pick because his upside and position had high value but the fact that they let having Xavier Woods at FS affect the decision is over-thinking the draft pick and leads to problems.


    BPA in the 1st round to me is: Player most likely to be an All Pro.
     
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  18. Verdict

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    I think Epenesa is a reach (projection) type of player.
     
  19. Tussinman

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    Williams has had 3 straight seasons derailed due to knee surgeries and has had 4 total knee operations in that span. He's is NOT built to be a long term guard, injury prone and arguably undersized.

    He would be better as a swing tackle, would incorporate his footwork more and would take less stress of his already body that's breaking down at a young age.
     
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  20. morasp

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    Chaisson. I've posted elsewhere about his production but when I looked at it he compared favorably to Nick Boas.
     

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