Brady's appeal decision could come next week

I don't know if there was a settlement. But people act like they have seen the court documents. If someone has proof than please provide it. Otherwise it is just speculation. The DA mentioned her inconsistencies when dropping the charges, that is a pretty big deal.


He said they compared her two statements and didn't feel they could use her initial statement without her being present. Does that mean there are inconsistencies? I think it's fairly safe to assume that is what the DA is implying, but who actually knows. I would also question how significant they actually would be because her initial statement to police was assuredly mentioned in the bench trial. The very fact that she would refuse would probably bring her credibility into question to a great enough extent to get a ruling in Greg's favor. It's also possible (at least according to an article from the Charlotte Observer that I read) that her initial statement could have been blocked from being admitted in the 2nd trial because of the right to face one's accuser. How would that have played out? Neither her initial statement nor testimony receive any sort of mention at all in a jury trial because she doesn't show? Pretty hard to imagine a conviction with those circumstances.

If Hardy said he reached a deal with her I would understand.

And this is exactly what I am talking about. It would take a statement that nobody should ever expect to get in order for you to believe he settled. The information the DA has regarding the settlement isn't enough even though it would be unnecessary to explicitly state such a thing if the credibility of the key witness/victim was in serious question. If you're dropping the charges because the case has fallen apart based on fabrications, does a settlement even matter? At the same time, the mere mention of a comparison of her two statements and decision not to proceed is enough to completely discredit this person. The DA explicitly states that he fully believes there was a settlement but doesn't elaborate on the comparison of her two statements, and yet the overwhelming conclusion is that her story is bogus and no settlement ever occurred. I'm sorry, but this is just cherry picking of the most egregious kind.

It is often better to pay someone to go away. I just think he would have done it BEFORE the bench trial. That is usually the point, to keep it out of court. After the bench trial and with her testimony locked in, the Defense seemed energized and confident.

I've read it right here on this board that this wasn't a "real" court proceeding so there'd be no incentive to settle before it is suspected that he actually he did. Settle because of a pending procedural hearing that is basically inconsequential......Why?

When he settled doesn't matter if the cost of settling is more than he was willing to pay at any given time. If you have two cracks at something, why pay earlier than you have to? Charity, I suppose. It was a calculated decision, no doubt. Innocent in the bench trial and he likely doesn't see anything in terms of punishment. Guilty in the bench trial and he can still pay for the entire situation to go away at a later date, and he made this decision at a point in time when he probably didn't anticipate any sort of punishment even if it ever got that far. Knowing what we know now, an earlier settlement would have been much more beneficial for him because it would have predated the Rice situation.

I don't believe they had to buy her off at that point. They may have, but I always thought his story was more believable.

To be honest, I don't really care who is more believable. Then again, I don't have any sort of fandom built up for this guy. He's never played a snap as a Cowboy and I don't expect he'll be on the team after this season. I think the team is renting him for the time being and nothing more.

Some how...like 99% of the league (probably even greater) doesn't have to worry about this sort of problem, which leaves a couple of possible options. Either gold diggers aren't nearly as prevalent as people believe and it's nearly impossible to be stupid enough to get involved with one, or accusations are based on something that actually happened. There have been some monumentally dumb players that have come through the league who have somehow been "fortunate" enough to not get caught up in a DV incident. I guess we could also throw out the possibility that there are players who are dumb enough to not be able to spot the rare psycho until it's too late.

Ultimately, discussing the trial is a waste of time because as I have said before the conviction is independent of punishment from the NFL, and that's exactly how it should be. These players have more than enough money to wiggle their way out of almost anything. Ben raped that girl and wasn't charged. That by itself is enough to figure out how the system works.
 

He said they compared her two statements and didn't feel they could use her initial statement without her being present. Does that mean there are inconsistencies? I think it's fairly safe to assume that is what the DA is implying, but who actually knows. I would also question how significant they actually would be because her initial statement to police was assuredly mentioned in the bench trial. The very fact that she would refuse would probably bring her credibility into question to a great enough extent to get a ruling in Greg's favor. It's also possible (at least according to an article from the Charlotte Observer that I read) that her initial statement could have been blocked from being admitted in the 2nd trial because of the right to face one's accuser. How would that have played out? Neither her initial statement nor testimony receive any sort of mention at all in a jury trial because she doesn't show? Pretty hard to imagine a conviction with those circumstances.



And this is exactly what I am talking about. It would take a statement that nobody should ever expect to get in order for you to believe he settled. The information the DA has regarding the settlement isn't enough even though it would be unnecessary to explicitly state such a thing if the credibility of the key witness/victim was in serious question. If you're dropping the charges because the case has fallen apart based on fabrications, does a settlement even matter? At the same time, the mere mention of a comparison of her two statements and decision not to proceed is enough to completely discredit this person. The DA explicitly states that he fully believes there was a settlement but doesn't elaborate on the comparison of her two statements, and yet the overwhelming conclusion is that her story is bogus and no settlement ever occurred. I'm sorry, but this is just cherry picking of the most egregious kind.



I've read it right here on this board that this wasn't a "real" court proceeding so there'd be no incentive to settle before it is suspected that he actually he did. Settle because of a pending procedural hearing that is basically inconsequential......Why?

When he settled doesn't matter if the cost of settling is more than he was willing to pay at any given time. If you have two cracks at something, why pay earlier than you have to? Charity, I suppose. It was a calculated decision, no doubt. Innocent in the bench trial and he likely doesn't see anything in terms of punishment. Guilty in the bench trial and he can still pay for the entire situation to go away at a later date, and he made this decision at a point in time when he probably didn't anticipate any sort of punishment even if it ever got that far. Knowing what we know now, an earlier settlement would have been much more beneficial for him because it would have predated the Rice situation.



To be honest, I don't really care who is more believable. Then again, I don't have any sort of fandom built up for this guy. He's never played a snap as a Cowboy and I don't expect he'll be on the team after this season. I think the team is renting him for the time being and nothing more.

Some how...like 99% of the league (probably even greater) doesn't have to worry about this sort of problem, which leaves a couple of possible options. Either gold diggers aren't nearly as prevalent as people believe and it's nearly impossible to be stupid enough to get involved with one, or accusations are based on something that actually happened. There have been some monumentally dumb players that have come through the league who have somehow been "fortunate" enough to not get caught up in a DV incident. I guess we could also throw out the possibility that there are players who are dumb enough to not be able to spot the rare psycho until it's too late.

Ultimately, discussing the trial is a waste of time because as I have said before the conviction is independent of punishment from the NFL, and that's exactly how it should be. These players have more than enough money to wiggle their way out of almost anything. Ben raped that girl and wasn't charged. That by itself is enough to figure out how the system works.

I agree with most of that. I still have an issue with the settlement.

Everything you said about the bench trial is correct except for a couple major issues. First off a guilty verdict means little in the criminal proceedings, just that the case will continue with a jury trial like the Constitution requires. But the League and the press sure used it as a 'real' guilty verdict. He lost the PR battle right then. If the NFL came down with punishment last July he couldn't argue the 'no conviction' angle as easily as after the charges were dropped.

If he was going to pay her off it would have been before the bench trial. I still believe she was more of a jilted girlfriend than a gold digger. Her emotions got the best of her when he tried breaking it off, but ultimately she would take him back if he offered. That is why she was so erratic and unpredictable, she didn't want to hurt the man she loved. Of course this is all a guess and I have nothing to back it up but a gut feeling.
 
If he was going to pay her off it would have been before the bench trial. I still believe she was more of a jilted girlfriend than a gold digger. Her emotions got the best of her when he tried breaking it off, but ultimately she would take him back if he offered. That is why she was so erratic and unpredictable, she didn't want to hurt the man she loved. Of course this is all a guess and I have nothing to back it up but a gut feeling.
"Beating up his girlfriend and throwing her on a bed with 25-30 loaded guns, no way. People want to throw Sterling out of the NBA because of some ignorant comments, but want to trade for a guy like this. There are too many talented 'good guys' to keep falling for this." - bkight, 5/15/2014

It's pathetic how changing uniforms can make some people do a complete 180 on a guy who was, by your own admission, caught beating up his girlfriend.
 
"Beating up his girlfriend and throwing her on a bed with 25-30 loaded guns, no way. People want to throw Sterling out of the NBA because of some ignorant comments, but want to trade for a guy like this. There are too many talented 'good guys' to keep falling for this." - bkight, 5/15/2014

It's pathetic how changing uniforms can make some people do a complete 180 on a guy who was, by your own admission, caught beating up his girlfriend.

That was the day of the arrest I believe. After reading the facts of the case explains the 180. I was in Hardy's camp way before he was a Cowboy.

I am big enough to admit when I am wrong about someone. I also said it was more probable than not that McClain took some part in the arson and Randle pulled a gun on his ex. But after exhaustive investigations I won't continue to push those accusations. There is no new evidence so those cases are closed, imo.
 
That was the day of the arrest I believe.
It was actually a couple days later, but gee, where was Mr. "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" last May when Hardy wore a Panthers uniform?
I was in Hardy's camp way before he was a Cowboy.
Yes, you joined the Hardy camp the moment you realized him coming here was a possibility.

When he was a Panther, he was guilty in your eyes.
When he was a free agent, well gee all of a sudden you weren't so sure....
Now that he's a Cowboy, he is pure as the wind driven snow and Holder is just a gold digging coke-ho
I am big enough to admit when I am wrong about someone.
Too bad you're not big enough to admit that your opinions are based primarily on the laundry that guy wears on Sunday afternoons.
 
It was actually a couple days later, but gee, where was Mr. "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" last May when Hardy wore a Panthers uniform?
Yes, you joined the Hardy camp the moment you realized him coming here was a possibility.

When he was a Panther, he was guilty in your eyes.
When he was a free agent, well gee all of a sudden you weren't so sure....
Now that he's a Cowboy, he is pure as the wind driven snow and Holder is just a gold digging coke-ho
Too bad you're not big enough to admit that your opinions are based primarily on the laundry that guy wears on Sunday afternoons.

cool story bro
 
To think he had to do a Google search with my name and sort through hundreds of posts to find out that I initially believed Hardy was guilty before hearing one actual fact on the day after he was arrested.

He has an agenda to support and he's like a bulldog with a bone when it comes to his agenda.

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To think he had to do a Google search with my name and sort through hundreds of posts to find out that I initially believed Hardy was guilty before hearing one actual fact on the day after he was arrested.
Now, now, no need to be butthurt because I've exposed your hypocrisy....

BTW, hundreds of posts? Not quite. Filter by date and there are just a very small handful of threads and posts on Greg Hardy from back when all this stuff first came out. It wasn't until he was headed to free agency and headed to Dallas that the discussions really picked up.

By an amazing coincidence, that's also when your opinion started changing. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Now, now, no need to be butthurt because I've exposed your hypocrisy....

BTW, hundreds of posts? Not quite. Filter by date and there are just a very small handful of threads and posts on Greg Hardy from back when all this stuff first came out. It wasn't until he was headed to free agency and headed to Dallas that the discussions really picked up.

By an amazing coincidence, that's also when your opinion started changing. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

cool story bro
 
cool story bro
"Beating up his girlfriend and throwing her on a bed with 25-30 loaded guns, no way. People want to throw Sterling out of the NBA because of some ignorant comments, but want to trade for a guy like this. There are too many talented 'good guys' to keep falling for this." - bkight, 5/15/2014
 
I remember when Rogah was going on for months about how the Pats & Tommy were innocent & he was going to rub all our faces in it..we were idiots...yea I remember that. That all changed when they got hammered...

I remember that well. Hey at least I'm on topic!
 
Brady will get no more than one when all is said and done.
And that will be because he is doing nfl a favor in doing so.

While he is guilty, like OJ, there is no case.
 

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