Brandon Carr Options

[AzorAhai]

Brandon Carr at this moment is not guaranteed to be on the opening day roster, but I think the probability he is is much higher than he's not. I'll run through the scenarios here though and show the options the Cowboys have.

Currently the Cowboys have $12,832,324 in Cap Space

Option A)-June 1st Cut

If the Cowboys decide to designate Brandon Carr a June 1st Cut they will generate $8,000,000 in space this season pushing the total to $20,832,324. This move will leave $7,434,000 in dead money on next years cap.

Option B)-Outright Cut

This is the least likely option in my opinion. An outright cut will add $56,000 in room, with no dead money. It's such a small savings due because the miniscule amount saved by cutting him brings the top 51 rule into play. This option will not happen.

Option C)-Restructure

If the Cowboys wanted to they could restructure Carr and generate $5,704,000 in space this year bringing the cap space available to $17,585,657. This move also pushes money into the future leaving him with a cap hit of $16,193,667 in the 2016 season. Another unlikely move.

Option D)-June 1st Cut in 2016

In this scenario he will play out this season on his scheduled cap hit and be a June 1st cut in 2016. This move would save $9,100,000 on next years cap and add $2,717,000 in dead money on the 2017 cap.

I'm not going to include a pay cut option for 2 reasons. 1)I'm not going to guess at what his new deal would be and 2)All reports indicate he is not willing to do that anyways. These are the numbers so decide for yourself what you think will happen.

 

[Tabascocat]

D

 

[speedkilz88]

Doug Free took a paycut May 17. They will be asking Carr to take a paycut within the next two weeks. Worst time for a player to be in free agency is right after the draft.

 

[Bluefin]

Option E) Take a pay cut.

The team can approach Brandon Carr and his agent at some point over the next month and paint out reality.

The other 31 clubs have all added free agents and cheap draft picks, their rosters are more or less set.

Carr can make a lot more money over the next two years (2017 is a voidable option yr) by taking a pay cut to remain a Dallas Cowboy than he will find on the open market at this point if he refuses and gets released.

Carr can make $7M to $9M over the next two seasons instead of the scheduled $17.1M and come out way ahead of the alternative.

 

[Idgit]

They talked after the first round about how thin they thought they were at CB last season after Claiborne went down. And we were dropping players of the roster late in the year to bring Pellerin back in. I think there's almost no chance Carr is not on the roster this season. The question is whether he wants to be here after that, because he'll have to cut his overhead if he's going to stay. I hope he does. He's played better than the reputation he gets around here in general, and had bursts like the last 5-6 games of the season last year where he's been quite a bit better than that. The issue is more with our pass rush and our front 7 than it has been with the secondary.

 

[AzorAhai]

To those suggesting pay cut or he's gone, who is going to be your 3rd CB? There is not a single CB on the roster who anyone should feel comfortable with starting outside of Scandrick, Carr and Jones especially for an extended period of time.

I would also like to add that if either Wilcox or Church go down then Byron Jones will almost assuredly start at FS. This leaves you with Scandrick and 2 of Patmon, White or maybe Claiborne to play over 50% of the snaps. Thats the problem when your 3rd(maybe 2nd) CB is the backup at CB and FS, you need an extra reliable starter on the team. If I can see that, do you honestly think his agent can't? Carr has the leverage and the Cowboys will not force the issue unless it is absolutely necessary to create that cap room.

 

[Bluefin]

I think there's almost no chance Carr is not on the roster this season. He's played better than the reputation he gets around here in general, and had bursts like the last 5-6 games of the season last year where he's been quite a bit better than that.

Rod Marinelli came on the Draft Show on dallascowboys.com on Saturday to discuss defense.

Marinelli said the plan is to play more press man coverage this season.

"We will probably lead off with man coverage. We like it, we'll go up there and press people, and it buys time for the rush and some of those things."

That will greatly benefit Brandon Carr.

It's what he was brought here to do.

Marinelli also compared Randy Gregory to Simeon Rice, whom he coached with the Buccaneers.

 

[Nightman]

E- pay cut

They can't pay Carr 8m after letting Murray walk over a couple mil

The choice for Carr is 4-5m guaranteed or being cut after the draft and FA money is gone

-ps I read that the June 1st date has been changed to May 12th

 

[Nightman]

To those suggesting pay cut or he's gone, who is going to be your 3rd CB? There is not a single CB on the roster who anyone should feel comfortable with starting outside of Scandrick, Carr and Jones especially for an extended period of time.

I would also like to add that if either Wilcox or Church go down then Byron Jones will almost assuredly start at FS. This leaves you with Scandrick and 2 of Patmon, White or maybe Claiborne to play over 50% of the snaps. Thats the problem when your 3rd(maybe 2nd) CB is the backup at CB and FS, you need an extra reliable starter on the team. If I can see that, do you honestly think his agent can't? Carr has the leverage and the Cowboys will not force the issue unless it is absolutely necessary to create that cap room.

Claiborne, Patmon and White can all produce 0 INTs and chase WRs around the field.

 

[Idgit]

Rod Marinelli came on the Draft Show on dallascowboys.com on Saturday to discuss defense.

Marinelli said the plan is to play more press man coverage this season.



That will greatly benefit Brandon Carr.

It's what he was brought here to do.

Marinelli also compared Randy Gregory to Simeon Rice, whom he coached with the Buccaneers.

I was just saying in another thread that that's what it looks like they're planning to do. I think that's sort of been the plan for Carr, all along and we just haven't been able to do it without getting enough pressure. He's a lot better as a press CB.

Yeah, the Rice comment re: Gregory kind of flipped a light on for me on that pick, too. I can't wait for camp and to start hearing about how some of these players contribute. Lots of good athletes brought in this weekend, if nothing else.

 

[AzorAhai]

Claiborne, Patmon and White can all produce 0 INTs and chase WRs around the field.

If you think those players are equal to Carr why not just June 1st cut him? The only reason to try to get him to take a paycut is if he's better than what else you have and he clearly is AND you have leverage. Is he worth his cap hit? No, but the Cowboys don't have any leverage because they don't have the CBs to replace him and Carrs agent knows paying him his full salary is a better option than cutting him. They should have drafted another CB in the 3rd or 4th rd if they wanted to gain that leverage.

 

[Nightman]

If you think those players are equal to Carr why not just June 1st cut him? The only reason to try to get him to take a paycut is if he's better than what else you have and he clearly is AND you have leverage. Is he worth his cap hit? No, but the Cowboys don't have any leverage because they don't have the CBs to replace him and Carrs agent knows paying him his full salary is a better option than cutting him. They should have drafted another CB in the 3rd or 4th rd if they wanted to gain that leverage.

Keeping him is just a matter of depth. If he won't take the pay cut, then I have no problem waiving him.

Paying 8m to Carr is just bad business. Paying him 4m is a substantial savings and could help pay for the RB that shall not be named.

Saving the entire 8m could get us a vet CB that is waived before the season and still pocketing 6m.

 

[AzorAhai]

Keeping him is just a matter of depth. If he won't take the pay cut, then I have no problem waiving him.

Then that would be the route you would likely have to take because I don't think a pay cut is going to happen. In all likelihood its either July 1st cut or let him play it out from just a leverage standpoint. The Cowboys really don't want to cut him because he's still the 3rd best CB and there's no telling what he would get paid with the stupid money teams were throwing around for worse CBs and the amount of teams who still have cap room being pretty large.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

To those suggesting pay cut or he's gone, who is going to be your 3rd CB? There is not a single CB on the roster who anyone should feel comfortable with starting outside of Scandrick, Carr and Jones especially for an extended period of time.

I would also like to add that if either Wilcox or Church go down then Byron Jones will almost assuredly start at FS. This leaves you with Scandrick and 2 of Patmon, White or maybe Claiborne to play over 50% of the snaps. Thats the problem when your 3rd(maybe 2nd) CB is the backup at CB and FS, you need an extra reliable starter on the team. If I can see that, do you honestly think his agent can't? Carr has the leverage and the Cowboys will not force the issue unless it is absolutely necessary to create that cap room.

Yep. I don't see why fans are taking this personal. We're gonna have to end up paying Carr. We can't afford to lose him and he isn't willing to take a pay cut. Free did take one. We had more leverage back then. There were some veteran RTs (I believe Eric Winston or whatever his name is) available in free agency who would have provided similar production. He will still go against the cap if we cut him, and whoever we sign to replace him will end up costing the same or more (including the cap hit) as it will cost to keep him. We're not gonna win this battle. He'll play this year and he'll be gone next year.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I was just saying in another thread that that's what it looks like they're planning to do. I think that's sort of been the plan for Carr, all along and we just haven't been able to do it without getting enough pressure. He's a lot better as a press CB.

Yeah, the Rice comment re: Gregory kind of flipped a light on for me on that pick, too. I can't wait for camp and to start hearing about how some of these players contribute. Lots of good athletes brought in this weekend, if nothing else.

Good point. Everyone wants to hate Carr because he isn't living up to his contract (as if it's coming out of their pockets). But look at it from Carr's perspective for a second. His play on the field in KC made him the top free agent CB. He was brought in by Dallas to play in a scheme he excelled in. Then we switched schemes his second year and he wasn't as good as he was before. Now, you're telling him that he doesn't deserve the amount of money that he earned with his play on the field in the scheme he was brought in for? Same goes for Claiborne if you think about it. That's like hiring the best sushi chef in town and getting mad that he can't make pastries.

 

[Nightman]

Yep. I don't see why fans are taking this personal. We're gonna have to end up paying Carr. We can't afford to lose him and he isn't willing to take a pay cut. Free did take one. We had more leverage back then. There were some veteran RTs (I believe Eric Winston or whatever his name is) available in free agency who would have provided similar production. He will still go against the cap if we cut him, and whoever we sign to replace him will end up costing the same or more (including the cap hit) as it will cost to keep him. We're not gonna win this battle. He'll play this year and he'll be gone next year.

There will be plenty of CBs that can match Carr for a lot less money. We have a few on our team.(Jones Patmon White)

We have basically got nothing out him the last couple years.

Why you want to keep paying 8-9m a year for that is borderline crazy. Some vets will be cut after camp if we need depth.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

There will be plenty of CBs that can match Carr for a lot less money. We have a few on our team.(Jones Patmon White)

We have basically got nothing out him the last couple years.

Why you want to keep paying 8-9m a year for that is borderline crazy. Some vets will be cut after camp if we need depth.

I'm not a cap expert but I remember people posting a lot about his situation a few months ago. If I recall correctly, he'll still count a certain amount against the cap if we cut him (I believe $4 million). If he stays and doesn't take a pay cut, he'll count $8 million. But if we cut him, take the $4 million hit, and sign someone comparable, a $4 million veteran CB will be about the same skill level as Carr. Personally, I thought we should have made a move for Cromartie since he's athletic and tall (which is why we drafted Jones), but that ship has sailed.

 

[Nightman]

I'm not a cap expert but I remember people posting a lot about his situation a few months ago. If I recall correctly, he'll still count a certain amount against the cap if we cut him (I believe $4 million). If he stays and doesn't take a pay cut, he'll count $8 million. But if we cut him, take the $4 million hit, and sign someone comparable, a $4 million veteran CB will be about the same skill level as Carr. Personally, I thought we should have made a move for Cromartie since he's athletic and tall (which is why we drafted Jones), but that ship has sailed.

Carr counts 12.7m if he stays, 4.7m if he is June 1st cut

If they get a 4m pay cut, he counts 8.7m

 

[AzorAhai]

This is the status so far, but subject to change of course.

 

[Bluefin]

I was just saying in another thread that that's what it looks like they're planning to do. I think that's sort of been the plan for Carr, all along and we just haven't been able to do it without getting enough pressure. He's a lot better as a press CB.

No doubt about it.

One item that didn't come up in the Rod Marinelli interview that has been mentioned at times this off-season is moving Brandon Carr to RCB and Orlando Scandrick to LCB.

Carr played RCB with Kansas City.

Most right handed NFL QBs prefer throwing to their right, the defenses left.

Yeah, the Rice comment re: Gregory kind of flipped a light on for me on that pick, too. I can't wait for camp and to start hearing about how some of these players contribute. Lots of good athletes brought in this weekend, if nothing else.

My how things have changed over the last two years.

The DL has transitioned from one of the oldest units on the team to a very youthful group.

Jeremy Mincey (31/32 in Dec.) is the only current player over the age of 30, Nick Hayden will turn 30 next February, but he isn't a lock to make the 53, LB feet be damned.

Depending on how things go in training camp/pre-season, we might even be able to flip an excess player for a 2016 draft pick.