Brandon Weeden on time with Cowboys: 'It wasn't like I stunk it up in Dallas

Dodger12

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Romo is supposed to lead the Cowboys to victory, he's the starter and was the #1 rated passer last season. He had been on the team for a decade, the offense is designed for his strengths. I concur that Romo is more productive than his backup, isn't that the whole point to being the starter?

Not according to your stats which showed that Weeden was more productive than Romo. That's just something that you can't reconcile.

You keep wanting to compare Murray with the Eagles to Randle with the Cowboys, it's apples and oranges. Murray is playing with a new O-line, a new QB, a new offense, and a new coaching staff. Of course he is struggling. Their whole team is struggling with the lack of familiarity.

I'm assuming you're responding to my post so I'll just go ahead and say I wasn't comparing Murray with the Eagles but rather when he was with the Cowboys. Randle had a better YPA but I wouldn't argue that Randle was the better back. But if you're going to use a statistical analysis to base your opinion, than Randle being better than Murray based on YPA is, at the very least, something you would have to consider. But I wouldn't.

My point is that you use selective statistics and are inconsistent when you form one opinion based on statistics yet disregard others.

What annoys me are opinions based on nothing,

Nothing except statistics................
 

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Good points. Pulling Weeden for Cassel was a panic move. He was blamed for poor coaching, defense, and a run game. If they pulled Weeden for a better QB that would be one thing, but Cassel was 3rd string on the friggin Bills! I have no idea why so many fans thought Cassel was the answer even after his debacle against the Giants.

I still maintain if they stayed the course with Weeden and never stuck us with Cassel we would have 2 more wins and thus still be alive.

Romo is supposed to lead the Cowboys to victory, he's the starter and was the #1 rated passer last season. He had been on the team for a decade, the offense is designed for his strengths. I concur that Romo is more productive than his backup, isn't that the whole point to being the starter? I'm saying Weeden did not do poorly, He is not the reason those games were lost. The team failed to provide him any support whatsoever.

You keep wanting to compare Murray with the Eagles to Randle with the Cowboys, it's apples and oranges. Murray is playing with a new O-line, a new QB, a new offense, and a new coaching staff. Of course he is struggling. Their whole team is struggling with the lack of familiarity.

What annoys me are opinions based on nothing,

The suggestion that Brandon was awful just contradicts the facts. I'm going to go over the facts again and I'm going to make those stats relevant by breaking them down into the specific situations.

The guy completed 23 of his first 24 passes for 251 yards, a 11 yard average. In the Falcon game two of Randle's TD's are from the 1 yard line, both after 20 yard passes by Weeden, one on 3rd down. It's 28-14 Cowboys when the defense goes to sleep wit 46 seconds remaining in the half.

In the 2nd half the Cowboys start ahead 28-17. On their first possession of the half Witten draws a 5 yards penalty, then Free gets a 10 yard penalty. It's 2nd and 26, then 3rd and 23. They punt. The defense gets lit up by Julio and now its 28-25. Weeden's INT sets up one TD, but he led them to 28. That makes him awful in his first start as a Cowboy?

On the next drive, Randle's three carries nets -4 yards. Weeden is a freakin' backup, is it too much to ask for a little help? The defense is getting molested by Julio Jones, Randle can't even find the meat on the bone.

There's an offensive penalty every other play. Weeden didn't lose this game and I even have to question what good Romo might have done. In the prior two weeks before his injury, Romo led the Cowboys to 33 points in six and a half quarters, or an average of 5 points a quarter.

Anyway, the Cowboys punt and the Eagles proceed to take seven and a half minutes off the clock. They end the drive with a TD and its now 28-32.

The next drive starts out with a 1 yard run so its obvious the next two plays are passes. Nobody open so he dumps it to Beasley for six instead of doing what the other three quartebacks have done this season. He could have thrown it in panic, every other quarterback this season threw more INT's in one game than he did in three games. He could have tossed the INT on 3rd down but he takes the sack.

With no pass rush, no Hardy, no Gregory, no McClain, the defense folds as the Falcons go down the field again and scores, it's 28-39 with three minutes in the game.

The Falcons score 39 points and Weeden is supposed to match that? A backup quarterback is expected to carry the team with a depleted defense, their All Pro WR hurt, and a pathetic running game? And he's the one who sucks?

Three minutes left, the WR's can't get open so he has to complete 4 passes in a row to his RB and TE, the game is over, the guy is getting zero help from his team. On 3rd and 1 he is sacked.

Against the Saints Weweden is 16-26-246-1TD-0INT. It is one of only two games this season without a single turnover. Seven of his ten incompletions were to Terrance Williams.

The defense gives up 335 yards passing and 438 total offense. What is Weeden supposed to do, play cornerback for them too?

But with 4 minutes left and down by 7 in the game Weeden has the ball on the Cowboys 9 yard line thanks to Beasley's fair catch. Game over, right? Weeden sucks, right?

Wrong. He drives them all the way down the field with passes of 24, 28, 19, and 17 yards for the tying TD.

Not that it matters. During the combined 1:57 of the 4th quarter, the Cowboys defense gives up 148 yards in two drives on 9 plays. Weeden never gets back on the field.

Where was the defense? Where was the running game, Randle and McFadden combine for 57 yards on 21 carries, a 2.7 yards average...half the Saints defense is a bunch of rookies.

What was Weeden supposed to do when he can't even get on the field? He went 91 yards at the end of the 4th quarter, every yard from his arm, he did his job. He was the only guy that day that didn't suck.

So now a fourth of the season is done and after 4 games:

Weeden is the 5th rated passer in the NFL, behind Dalton, Roethlesberger, Rogers and Brady.

He's averaging 9.3 yards per attempt, 3rd best in the league.

He has completed 76.3% of his passes, 2nd best. He has thown more passes than Roethlesberger who is 1st.

McFadden and Randle combine for a 2.8 yards average carry after the 1st quarter.

The defense has been scored on more than any other team.

Terrance Williams, now the primary WR, has caught 12 of the 27 passes thrown his way, a 44% rate.

The Cowboy defense is 2nd to last in takeaways.

This is the help Weeden gets going into the 5th game against the defending Super Bowl champions.

"Weeden didn't do enough to help win"......Gimme a break.

In the Patriot game:

Weeden is 26-39-188-0-1.

He is also the 2nd leading rusher with 18 yards. Randle leads with 60 yards.

Williams catches 2 of the 6 passes thrown his way.

The Cowboys keep it close until a few minutes left before the half when Edelman and Brady take over.

Weeden's 2nd and last INT as a Cowboy comes in the 4th quarter with the game out of reach 27-6.

The following week McFadden is named the new starter after running for 152 yards. The Cowboys finally get a running game, not that it helps Weeden. He is benched in favor of a quarterback that throws three consecutive 2nd half INT's.

That's what happened.

Many of you don't like stats. You prefer to "trust your eyes." Your eyes aren't the problem. You beleive that Weeden stinks when, in fact, it's your memory that stinks.
 

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The interesting thing to me is that Weeden won playing the same game-plan that the Cowboys envisioned and ultimately failed at. Here are Weeden's scoring drives:

First Drive: Weeden comes in with the ball at the Colts 44. Result is a field goal.
Second Drive: Texans get the ball at the Indianapolis 32. Result is a field goal.
Third Drive: Texans get the ball at their 10. Result is a touchdown.
Fourth Drive: Texans get the ball at the Indianapolis 21. Result is a field goal.

In three of the four drives Weeden got the football in Colts territory. That is an amazing scenario and exactly what the Cowboys had been trying to do and completely failed in so many of their games this season. Credit Weeden for operating within the confines of the game-plan and, credit the Texans defense for dominating the Colts offense and keeping field position in the Texans favor.

My point is not to trash Weeden or boost Weeden up. My point is that the Cowboys moved to replace Weeden because this is what he can do in the league effectively and the Dallas coaches realized that they would need a QB that might be able to create plays on his own in order to win some games without Romo. The defense had proven at that point that they were not only incapable of dictating field position, they were actually getting shredded weekly (Atlanta, New Orleans, New England). They hoped that Cassel might be able to generate more plays and turn things in the Cowboys favor. It failed, but I get why in theory they made the switch. They were completely desperate at that point because they knew they had made big mistakes in evaluating what they had.

The Cowboys coaches and front office failed on a lot of levels this year. They failed in properly evaluating what they had on defense and they failed in properly evaluating what they needed on offense in order to offset their defensive deficiencies. Weeden is not a playmaker at QB and they 100% need one in order to have this team win games. There is no doubt that Romo makes this entire team go in so many ways. No disrespect to Moore, but they need a serious upgrade at QB this offseason because this is reality when Romo goes down.
 

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Good points. Pulling Weeden for Cassel was a panic move. He was blamed for poor coaching, defense, and a run game. If they pulled Weeden for a better QB that would be one thing, but Cassel was 3rd string on the friggin Bills! I have no idea why so many fans thought Cassel was the answer even after his debacle against the Giants.

I still maintain if they stayed the course with Weeden and never stuck us with Cassel we would have 2 more wins and thus still be alive.

The Cowboys staff took the easy way out by blaming Weeden for everything. They probably even blame Weeden for Romo's crappy play on Thanksgiving. IMO, the front office & coaching staff blew the season.
 

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Good points. Pulling Weeden for Cassel was a panic move. He was blamed for poor coaching, defense, and a run game. If they pulled Weeden for a better QB that would be one thing, but Cassel was 3rd string on the friggin Bills! I have no idea why so many fans thought Cassel was the answer even after his debacle against the Giants.

I still maintain if they stayed the course with Weeden and never stuck us with Cassel we would have 2 more wins and thus still be alive.

Tell me one thing Weeden did that made you think this. Cassel at least had a big performance against the Eagles, putting up almost 300 yards with 3 TD passes. In the 3 games Weeden started, two of them he was conservative as hell. The Saints game he showed us his poor accuracy with down the field throws, he has trouble going through is progressions.

No one thought Cassel was the answer, they just knew Weeden wasn't.
 

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The Cowboys staff took the easy way out by blaming Weeden for everything. They probably even blame Weeden for Romo's crappy play on Thanksgiving. IMO, the front office & coaching staff blew the season.

Citation needed. Where did the coaching staff blame everything on Weeden? They saw him play poorly they went in another direction.
 

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Weeden has been politicking like this all year to get that one last deal.

When he took that fourth-down slide with a small defensive back coming and a good chance to get the first down against Atlanta, I knew what we had.

The man lacks testicles.
 

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They benched him, didn't they?

Poor ? He is the most accurate passer in the NFL as far as percentage of completions despite the fact that Williams only caught 12 of the 27 passes thrown to him.

I used the analogy of tossing a coin once to indicate that it is obvious the data isn't large enough to indicate anything. However, that would also include whether or not he was "awful". In fact, I showed that, according to his performance in specific instances, he was the only one that was not awful many times.

With all due respect, Dodger12, please don't tell me what I have or gave not concluded when it comes to numbers.
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Good points. Pulling Weeden for Cassel was a panic move. He was blamed for poor coaching, defense, and a run game. If they pulled Weeden for a better QB that would be one thing, but Cassel was 3rd string on the friggin Bills! I have no idea why so many fans thought Cassel was the answer even after his debacle against the Giants.

I still maintain if they stayed the course with Weeden and never stuck us with Cassel we would have 2 more wins and thus still be alive.

I agree somewhat.
But you know what... Cassel got us one win. Weeden may have enthrall gotten us a total of three? Maybe?

Or maybe when he kept on stopping back into the pocket instead of up.. Maybe he gave way his wins.

Let's say you stayed with Weeden and you got a total of 3 wins. We are now sitting at 6-8 instead of 4-10.

It really wouldn't matter. We are not led properly. Without Tony "I bail out coaches" Romo. All for not.
 

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Weeden won't be on the Texan's team next year. His biggest limitation is between his ears.
 

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They benched him, didn't they?

Poor ? He is the most accurate passer in the NFL as far as percentage of completions despite the fact that Williams only caught 12 of the 27 passes thrown to him.

I used the analogy of tossing a coin once to indicate that it is obvious the data isn't large enough to indicate anything. However, that would also include whether or not he was "awful". In fact, I showed that, according to his performance in specific instances, he was the only one that was not awful many times.

With all due respect, Dodger12, please don't tell me what I have or gave not concluded when it comes to numbers.
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Your stats are selective and you disregard them completely when it suits you. Sorry if that offends you. Weeden was a scrub. He wouldn't throw downfield and basically used only half the field on top of that. Somehow, throwing dink and dunk passes and inflating his completion percentage impresses you. I watch the games. I know what I saw. Maybe you just follow the stat sheet while others were watching the game. He lost 11 straight; his stats indicate that he's better than Romo and should still be starting and no sane person would make that claim. These are things that you just can't reconcile.

With all due respect, of course. Merry Christmas.
 

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The Houston Texans have a much better coaching staff than the Cowboys. With that, Weeden may just excel in Houston.
 
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