Breaking news: Roy Williams better play well this season

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Breaking news: Roy Williams better play well this season
1:30 PM Thu, Jun 12, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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So says ex-NFL offensive lineman/SI.com scribe Ross Tucker, who picked one player from each NFL team that needs to perform well early this season.

Roy Williams, S, Dallas Cowboys: The object of a lot of frustration among Cowboys supporters, Williams must find a way to make an impact early or he will find himself back on the bench in passing situations, and ultimately, off the roster altogether.
Williams will probably find himself on the bench in passing situations fairly often, no matter what. The Cowboys are suddenly loaded with good cover men, so why would Wade Phillips and Co. put Williams in position to get exposed?

But it'd be nice to see Williams get back to being the big-hitting force he used to be against the run. If he helps put the opponent in third-and-long situations on a consistent basis, he's done his job well, whether he's on the field for third down or not.

Roy Williams' problem isn't nickel-and-diming
2:21 PM Thu, Jun 12, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Timmy Tabloid maintained in his last post that the Cowboys may just have to swallow Roy Williams' troubles in obvious passing situations. Which is funny, because I don't think that's where his biggest problems are.

Let me explain something here -- Williams was playing at linebacker in just about every sub package the Cowboys employed in passing situations last year, if he wasn't coming off the field. That left him more protected and with less ground to cover. Conversely, when the base defense is on the field, meaning only four DBs are out there, Roy is more often asked to cover larger areas, sometimes in deep parts of the field, and it's easier for an opponent to isolate him.

I think we can all agree that the toughest game Roy had last year was in New York in Week 10. Jeremy Shockey caught 12 passes for 129 yards and a touchdown, all season highs, as the Giants used motion and moved the tight end around to get him matched up on Roy. That game also provides the perfect example of Williams' problems coming in these so-called "50-50" situations, rather than obvious passing spots.

In that game, Shockey was thrown to 14 times. In first-and-10 situations, he had six catches for 81 yards. On second downs, he had three catches for 24 yards. On third downs, he had three catches for 24 yards and a touchdown. The two balls thrown in his direction that weren't completed came on second down. Which means Eli Manning looked to Shockey 14 times, and 11 of those occassions were on first or second down. All of the second downs were within 8 yards of the sticks. Plus, one of the third downs was a third-and-4 from the Dallas 8, on which Shockey scored his touchdown.

It's easy to see that the Giants were targeting Roy when the Cowboys' base personnel was on the field, and not the nickel, in order to get the safety in situations where he had greater responsibility in coverage. So take that Timmy!!!


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Ross Tucker's opinion is "breaking news?"

More like breaking wind.
 

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Breer's reading comprehension is worse than Roy Williams' coverage

2:46 PM Thu, Jun 12, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Coach Albert "Einstein" Breer just began a Football 101 post to rebut my point that the "Cowboys may just have to swallow Roy Williams' troubles in obvious passing situations." Which is funny, because I never made that point.

What I wrote was that Williams probably will not be on the field much in those situations this season, since the Cowboys have personnel much better suited for third-and-long coverage duties.

Einstein pointed out that Williams also struggles in pass coverage on first and second down. Well, golly, that might be the biggest story Breer has broken since he arrived in Dallas.

Here's the point I tried to make earlier: If Williams is the hard-hitting force he was early in his career, especially against the run, the Cowboys will happily live with him getting beat on occasion in coverage.

Todd Archer recently blogged about the drop-off in difference-making plays by Williams over the years. He pointed out that Williams forced 10 fumbles in his first 64 games and none in his last 37.

You think Williams didn't get beat a few times during his first four seasons? Of course he did, but folks focused on the positive impact plays he made, because he made a bunch of them. And if he starts doing that again, he'll be worth all the money Jerry pays him even if he's on the sideline in obvious passing situations.

Was that clear enough for you, Einstein?


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Timmy Tabloid's not real perceptive!!!
3:19 PM Thu, Jun 12, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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It may be pretty childish. But I have no problem stooping to Timmy Tabloid's level. Or discrediting his weak response to my earlier post.

Since he thinks I missed his point, I'll only deal with direct quotes here. Here we go ...

What I wrote was that Williams probably will not be on the field much in those situations this season, since the Cowboys have personnel much better suited for third-and-long coverage duties.

There's an easy way to respond to Timmy, who likes to make jokes about breaking news (ahem!), here. By actually, y'know, watching the games. The package that Roy came out on in most cases last year was the club's "big nickel", which cost the Former 31 a start against the Jets. In that look, the Cowboys would replace Akin Ayodele with Kevin Burnett and play with three corners and one safety, that being Ken Hamlin, on the field.

That personnel grouping, if you have a clue of what you're talking about, isn't build for third-and-long. It's to put another cover guy on the field on early downs and in running situations, and protect yourself against the pass.

I don't think I saw Roy miss one snap last year (outside his suspension or garbage time) in the Cowboys' dime defense, playing that linebacker spot. He came off the field in -- yes -- those 50-50 situations.

I have to applaud Timmy, though. Those were some pretty daring leaps of faith he took in his reasoning!!!


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If Tim MacMahon and Albert Breer do not get a room together soon, there... may... be... TROUBLE! :mad:
 

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Anthony Henry will replace Roy Williams in the dime

3:35 PM Thu, Jun 12, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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No, that isn't breaking news. Todd Archer reported last week that Anthony Henry is moving inside in the dime, allowing the Cowboys to get another cornerback on the field and Roy Williams off it. But I wanted to make sure Coach Albert "Einstein" Breer knew about it before he gave me another cyberlecture about how Williams only comes off the field in the "big nickel."


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WoodysGirl;2115957 said:
Anthony Henry will replace Roy Williams in the dime

3:35 PM Thu, Jun 12, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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No, that isn't breaking news. Todd Archer reported last week that Anthony Henry is moving inside in the dime, allowing the Cowboys to get another cornerback on the field and Roy Williams off it. But I wanted to make sure Coach Albert "Einstein" Breer knew about it before he gave me another cyberlecture about how Williams only comes off the field in the "big nickel."

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this the media getting ugly with each other? : )
 

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I don't think I saw Roy miss one snap last year (outside his suspension or garbage time) in the Cowboys' dime defense, playing that linebacker spot. He came off the field in -- yes -- those 50-50 situations.

The "Roy Williams is off the field in obvious passing situations" is a huge misconception.

AdamJT13 has been saying it for a while now that Roy was always on the field on 3rd downs. He was OFF the field on some 1st and 2nd downs when the defensive staff wanted to remain strong against the run by staying in our base 3-4 front but capable of matching up well with 3 and 4 WR sets.
 

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iceberg;2115958 said:
this the media getting ugly with each other? : )
There may be only one solution to this tic-for-tac media free-for-all.



VIVA VIAGRA!
 

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Roy is getting so much pub, you can bank on the lower level analysts using him as their anti Cowboys crutch.

Get ready for it on every broadcast as well. If a TE makes a catch on us anywhere at anytime, whether Roy is on the field or not, they will zoom in on Roys face.

It will be T.O. and his drops all over again.
 

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I think we can all agree that the toughest game Roy had last year was in New York in Week 10. Jeremy Shockey caught 12 passes for 129 yards and a touchdown, all season highs, as the Giants used motion and moved the tight end around to get him matched up on Roy. That game also provides the perfect example of Williams' problems coming in these so-called "50-50" situations, rather than obvious passing spots.

In that game, Shockey was thrown to 14 times. In first-and-10 situations, he had six catches for 81 yards. On second downs, he had three catches for 24 yards. On third downs, he had three catches for 24 yards and a touchdown. The two balls thrown in his direction that weren't completed came on second down. Which means Eli Manning looked to Shockey 14 times, and 11 of those occassions were on first or second down. All of the second downs were within 8 yards of the sticks. Plus, one of the third downs was a third-and-4 from the Dallas 8, on which Shockey scored his touchdown.

It's easy to see that the Giants were targeting Roy when the Cowboys' base personnel was on the field, and not the nickel, in order to get the safety in situations where he had greater responsibility in coverage. So take that Timmy!!!

This is what happens when people look at the box score instead of looking at the film.

Shockey had four catches for 23 yards when Roy was covering him.

He had one catch for 22 yards against Akin Ayodele.

He had two catches for 16 yards against Kevin Burnett.

He had one catch for 6 yards against Bradie James.

He had one catch for 6 yards on a screen pass.

He had two catches for 45 yards against the prevent zone.

And he had one catch for 11 yards between Greg Ellis and James in zone.


Roy's toughest game in coverage probably was the first game against Washington, when he allowed seven catches for 83 yards and one touchdown.
 
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