Brent's impact on this team

[DC Cowboy]

I'm not sure the level he was playing at is any higher than what we're currently getting from Nick Hayden.

Hopefully, he'll give us more than that in this scheme.

Well "according to Jerry" he is/was getting great push against Fred. Once again, according to Jerry.

 

[xwalker]

I think the potential for Brent is his ability to beat double teams and also to spell Hayden a lot more. Giving Hayden the ability to perform to his potential.

I'd go for three 3-technique DTs and two 1-technique DTs.

I'd go with 4 defensive ends. Meaning a total of 9 defensive linemen, which we've done before. This is assuming McClain is healthy and the coaches believe in him. Otherwise itll just be 8.

It might take having 5 DTs active to get Brent on the 46 but the ST coach will stand on his head against it because it will likely cost them a ST player.

I don't remember them having 9 DL active this season.

I think Marinelli prefers Hayden plus 3 pass rushing type DTs active. McClain is a 1/3 tech tweener which I think they prefer over having 2 pure 1 techs if only 4 DTs are active.

 

[bark]

He has been on the 53 for a couple of weeks now.

The question is when/if he will be active on gameday.

Yes that's what I was asking. Is he active for tomorrow

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Being fat will hep him.

 

[Wood]

Let's suppose that Josh Brent plugs in and plays at the same level that he was playing before the world collapsed on top of him. And let's assume that he is in football shape for the purposes of this exercise. How much impact can he have on this defense and the overall success of the team?

well it gives you a player who would be starting DT on most teams. It also gives Dallas some leverage if Melton $9 million for next year is deemed too expensive. But what I would like to do is just add him to rotation of Melton, Crawford, Hayden - that would be formidable. And before someone jumps in here and says Hayden is just ok...go rewatch the tapes because he has been playing at high level past few weeks.

 

[Galian Beast]

It might take having 5 DTs active to get Brent on the 46 but the ST coach will stand on his head against it because it will likely cost them a ST player.

I don't remember them having 9 DL active this season.

I think Marinelli prefers Hayden plus 3 pass rushing type DTs active. McClain is a 1/3 tech tweener which I think they prefer over having 2 pure 1 techs if only 4 DTs are active.

You might be right. I thought there were nine when we took 5 defensive ends, but it was 5 and 3.

I'm not sure if that is Marinelli's preference or if that is what the personnel calls for. If Brent is one of the best 46, I think he'll take the roll.

It'll be

Mincey - Crawford - Hayden - Selvie
Lawrence - Melton - Brent - Spencer

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've seen Hayden make more plays than I've ever seen Brent make ... and I'm all for replacing Hayden.

Now, Brent was operating out of a 3-4, so it's hard to compare from that standpoint, but he wasn't really much more of a small role player. Now, his fit might be much better in this 4-3, but I see no reason to harbor expectations that he'll even be better than Hayden.

You didn't answer the question. Rewatch the first two games of 2012 and you will see Brent consistently draw double teams and hold. I have seen Hayden do that once against backups in the preseason. Ever.

Hayden makes plays on the second level. The problem is that he is a NT and has a problem getting off single blocks and can only disengage when the runner is past him and the OL has to hold to keep him there. He is very easy to reach and drive.

 

[Idgit]

You didn't answer the question. Rewatch the first two games of 2012 and you will see Brent consistently draw double teams and hold. I have seen Hayden do that once against backups in the preseason. Ever.

Hayden makes plays on the second level. The problem is that he is a NT and has a problem getting off single blocks and can only disengage when the runner is past him and the OL has to hold to keep him there. He is very easy to reach and drive.

I hate to pile on the guy, because he's an unnecessary whipping boy here, but I also dislike seeing him hustle to chase down a play that's gotten past him and then seeing him gesticulating like Jay Ratliff in his prime when he gets in on the tackle. I love the hustle, but save the dancing around for a tackle behind the LoS, please.

 

[gimmesix]

You didn't answer the question. Rewatch the first two games of 2012 and you will see Brent consistently draw double teams and hold. I have seen Hayden do that once against backups in the preseason. Ever.

Hayden makes plays on the second level. The problem is that he is a NT and has a problem getting off single blocks and can only disengage when the runner is past him and the OL has to hold to keep him there. He is very easy to reach and drive.

I don't remember Brent making very many plays at all. If you want to say he'll hold his ground against double teams better, that's fine; he probably will because he's short and fat. However, I don't think that's all Dallas wants from the position.

If we see the hustle we get each week from Hayden to make plays plus the ability to anchor against double teams, then we've got an upgrade. However, if all we have is an anchor, then we're not getting anywhere.

 

[gimmesix]

Well "according to Jerry" he is/was getting great push against Fred. Once again, according to Jerry.

I don't mean to come off as not being hopeful, because I am. I just haven't seen any reason to believe Brent is going to somehow elevate the 1-tech position. Now, he is supposed to have some quickness of the ball that I never remember seeing, so maybe that will show up in this scheme. It would be great for us if it does, along with Lawrence, Crawford and others starting to get to the QB more.

We are only a couple of steps away from having a line that can really give this team a lift. Will we get there this year? I don't know.

 

[xwalker]

Yes that's what I was asking. Is he active for tomorrow

That's unknown until a couple of hours before the game.

 

[xwalker]

well it gives you a player who would be starting DT on most teams. It also gives Dallas some leverage if Melton $9 million for next year is deemed too expensive. But what I would like to do is just add him to rotation of Melton, Crawford, Hayden - that would be formidable. And before someone jumps in here and says Hayden is just ok...go rewatch the tapes because he has been playing at high level past few weeks.

It doesn't give them any leverage over Melton. Brent is a 1-tech, Melton is a 3-tech.

 

[jterrell]

Let's suppose that Josh Brent plugs in and plays at the same level that he was playing before the world collapsed on top of him. And let's assume that he is in football shape for the purposes of this exercise. How much impact can he have on this defense and the overall success of the team?

We won't know what Brent can do til he does it....

But a true run stuffer in the mold of Kevin Williams which was where Brent seemed to be heading before driving drunk....

That type of play frees up linebackers and defensive ends.
Those players can become more aggressive in getting after the QB.
Right now both DEs have heavy run duties.
We gotta stay ahead of the chains as a defense so they don't really light out after the QB.
A legit run stopping force alters that.

I have zero fear of Sanchez. He's simply not a big talent but any QB can beat you if you give them all day and let them pick on poor coverage guys.
Dallas has poor coverage guys.

IF our defense looks like it did second half versus the Giants we win this thing.
If it looks like the first half we lose.

The offense wills core points versus a bad Eagles team.
Our defense and special teams will have to hold up tho versus superior units.

 

[jterrell]

It doesn't give them any leverage over Melton. Brent is a 1-tech, Melton is a 3-tech.

And Melton is their best DE pass rusher at the moment.
Dallas pro0bbaly has to keep him at this point. OR use that first pick on DE again.

 

[xwalker]

And Melton is their best DE pass rusher at the moment.
Dallas pro0bbaly has to keep him at this point. OR use that first pick on DE again.

Did you mean Mincey at DE or Melton at DT?

 

[jazzcat22]

I never seen what was so great with Brent back in 2012, but he was starting to make a few plays. Maybe I just can't remember. But that has nothing to do with now. I will trust the coaching staff to make the right decisions.

If he can get in 10 to 15 snaps, and do what he is supposed to do. He doesn't need to be spectacular, or make an impression, or a game saving or game turning play. But it would be nice.
Just do what you are supposed to do, to allow others to do their jobs too.

Then it will be a successful return, and a good start.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Per Fisher on 105.3 the Fan, Brent not active.

 

[JPostSam]

Let's suppose that Josh Brent plugs in and plays at the same level that he was playing before the world collapsed on top of him. And let's assume that he is in football shape for the purposes of this exercise. How much impact can he have on this defense and the overall success of the team?

we need *someone* to make a difference on the d line. probably a few someones.

 

[xwalker]

Let's suppose that Josh Brent plugs in and plays at the same level that he was playing before the world collapsed on top of him. And let's assume that he is in football shape for the purposes of this exercise. How much impact can he have on this defense and the overall success of the team?

Maybe it's time to see what Brent can provide. The DL didn't keep the Eagles offense off of the LBs and the DL didn't do much to stop the RBs themselves.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Maybe it's time to see what Brent can provide. The DL didn't keep the Eagles offense off of the LBs and the DL didn't do much to stop the RBs themselves.

He has to be in shape by our next meeting with Philadelphia, you would think