Brett Favre

[DaBoys4Life]

Fans picketing outside of Lambeau Field (per NFL Network) demanding that Packers management give Favre the starting job back. They also said a march is planned for sometime this week in Milwaukee. There is website that is going to be launched called "bringbackfavre.com" (or something similar).

utrunner is going to spearhead the movement.

 

[Fletch]

I bet ten bucks if Favre is in fact released, he goes to the Vikings.

If he went to the Vikes that would be very scary.

I don't think he'd be as scary as he was with Green Bay last year. No way he tops or comes close to the production he had last year with the Vikes.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Um...he was just as good as Aikman in the playoffs...and I am pretty sure we can all agree Aikman did not suck in the playoffs.

Not really.

 

[dbair1967]

First of all I will take Favre on the early 90s Cowboys teams over Aikman on the two Green Bay Super Bowl teams any day....

Second your original statement was "and he [Favre] sux in the playoffs anyway" --- so my question to you. Does Favre suck in the playoffs or does he have a few bad games just like any other QB?

(I recognize that Favre makes more mistakes than Aikman, Favre was also on a less talented team than Aikman, take it for what its worth)

Like I said, I'll take Aikman any day of the week over Favre, and we'd have never won 3 super bowls (and come close to a 4th staright) with Favre instead of Aikman...

Favre would have never fit in Norv Turner's/Zampese's timing, precision based offense...on the other hand, I do think Aikman would have been an ideal fit for the west coast offense and probably would have had some huge numbers had he been in a pass first scheme

David

 

[FloridaRob]

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I see an old man that is old and was struggling to keep it together last season. He is old worn and tired he has outlived his usefullness and it's time for him to move on.


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You have got to be kidding. The guy at 38 throws for over 4000 yrds , 30 TDs+-, has the best completion percentage in his career, led the team in a number of 4th quarter comebacks, took the team to the NFC championship game, finished 2nd in the MVP of the league behind Bradys once in a lifetime performance, and "he looked old, worn and tired." I would bet that every QB in the league hope when they turn 38 they are as "old, worn and tired" as Favre was last year. Heck, I bet every Qb in the league outside of Manning or Brady, would settle for the performance Favre had any year.

I have not done the research but has any QB in history ever had the numbers that Favre had last year. At 38 yrs old. Old, worn and tired. Even the most ardent FAvre haters would have to come up with different adjectives because those don't apply.

 

[FloridaRob]

Like I said, I'll take Aikman any day of the week over Favre, and we'd have never won 3 super bowls (and come close to a 4th staright) with Favre instead of Aikman...

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If GB had not beaten Arizona the last game of 1988, that scenario may have played out. Packers had the 1st round pick until the last game of the year. They decided to beat ARizona. Aikman would have been the first choice by the Packers. Would the Cowboys have selected Tony Mandarich???? Or Barry Sanders? Funny how one game might have changed the futuree of two franchises. If Aikrman goes to Green Bay, who goes to Dallas. IF Sanders goes to Dallas, there would be no Emmit Smith. The Football Gods were with you....

 

[utrunner07]

utrunner is going to spearhead the movement.

good call! i am heading up the Dallas division...so far its me...

 

[FloridaRob]

good call! i am heading up the Dallas division...so far its me...

utrunner07 is my new best friend.

 

[peplaw06]

Farve is nothing but media hype and a QB that had a longer career than the norm.

Yeah because media hype alone can make you a first ballot hall of famer... no matter how much you suck.

If you look at his stats from this year they we're amazing how ever these were career numbers and he wasn't Brett Farve the gunslinger.

Based on QB rating alone, this was his third best year. He's had a QB rating over 90.0 for eight seasons in his career.... over 16 seasons.

1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2007...

(Note: Yes, I KNOW he technically played for 17. I'm not counting his two game rookie season in Atlanta where he attempted all of 4 passes)

He was a system QB that benefited from the system in Green Bay it didn't hurt that his WR had the highest YAC in the NFL.

I think this is the worst argument against a player's stats that is EVER used. He stayed in GB for 16 seasons... so far. He's worked under numerous Head Coaches and Offensive Coordinators, and many different systems, or at least variations of the system. Sure his best seasons were in the WCO when he had decent WRs, but you can make that argument about any offensive skill player. It's the same with Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt. They benefited from the system and an all time great OL. Do you feel Aikman was overrated because he happened to play in a great system with great teammates?

The people who make that same argument catch the same amount of ridicule as far as I'm concerned. It's intellectually lazy, and a cop out bashing of someone who in the end, is just a guy you don't like.

If you disregard this year stats and look at the past 3 season I think it's clear or was clear that brett farves career was heading down the drain.

If you disregard the best seasons of any player, they're going to appear to suck. But no right minded person does that.

And it's not like Favre had the best talent he ever had around him this past season. It was leagues behind the talent he had during their run to two SBs. It was basically Donald Driver and a bunch of cast offs. But he had his best year ever in Completion %, 3rd best in QB rating, and 3rd best in yards.

And not to mention, only two seasons before this one were subpar for him. In 2004, he threw for 30 TDs (more than 2007's 28), completed 64% of his passes, threw for 4,000 yards AGAIN (he's now done it 5 times), and had a QB rating of 92.4.

But you're right, if you ignore this past one, the two before it were subpar. Therefore, he sucks.

However because he has become immortalized as a Packer they had their hads tied. Right now the franchise belongs to Green Bay and it's no longer about Brett Farve they need to move on and Farve needs to die in obscurity some where (not really just leave the game alone)

I think you just don't like the guy, and you wish he'd leave. It's obvious the Packers fanbase doesn't agree with you... they're picketing outside Lambeau.

Just because you say my POV is ridiculous doesn't make it so.

Yeah, looks pretty ridiculous to me.

 

[peplaw06]

Not everyone can compete with your 7000 ridiculous posts.

Don't short change yourself there.

 

[utrunner07]

Yeah because media hype alone can make you a first ballot hall of famer... no matter how much you suck. Based on QB rating alone, this was his third best year. He's had a QB rating over 90.0 for eight seasons in his career.... over 16 seasons.

1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2007...

(Note: Yes, I KNOW he technically played for 17. I'm not counting his two game rookie season in Atlanta where he attempted all of 4 passes)
I think this is the worst argument against a player's stats that is EVER used. He stayed in GB for 16 seasons... so far. He's worked under numerous Head Coaches and Offensive Coordinators, and many different systems, or at least variations of the system. Sure his best seasons were in the WCO when he had decent WRs, but you can make that argument about any offensive skill player. It's the same with Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt. They benefited from the system and an all time great OL. Do you feel Aikman was overrated because he happened to play in a great system with great teammates?

The people who make that same argument catch the same amount of ridicule as far as I'm concerned. It's intellectually lazy, and a cop out bashing of someone who in the end, is just a guy you don't like. If you disregard the best seasons of any player, they're going to appear to suck. But no right minded person does that.

And it's not like Favre had the best talent he ever had around him this past season. It was leagues behind the talent he had during their run to two SBs. It was basically Donald Driver and a bunch of cast offs. But he had his best year ever in Completion %, 3rd best in QB rating, and 3rd best in yards.

And not to mention, only two seasons before this one were subpar for him. In 2004, he threw for 30 TDs (more than 2007's 28), completed 64% of his passes, threw for 4,000 yards AGAIN (he's now done it 5 times), and had a QB rating of 92.4.

But you're right, if you ignore this past one, the two before it were subpar. Therefore, he sucks. I think you just don't like the guy, and you wish he'd leave. It's obvious the Packers fanbase doesn't agree with you... they're picketing outside Lambeau.

Yeah, looks pretty ridiculous to me.

Very well said! I doubt it will get through to any of them though...they are blinded by their Favre hatred..

 

[MWILL]

Very well said! I doubt it will get through to any of them though...they are blinded by their Favre hatred..

Blinded by their Favre hatred? Oh please.

The media OVER-HYPES this guy. It's as if this guy does nothing wrong.
He can throw 6-8 INT's in a playoff game (GB vs. Rams I'm sure Packer fans can't forget that one), and all you hear is
"Don't worry Bret, you'll do better next time."
"He's playing like a Kid out there"
"Why retire this guy can play for another 3 yrs"
but when T.O. wears a Santa hat after they lose the Christmas game.
It's a distraction. C'mon people.

Bret is a good QB, but I can't trust him in the playoffs
(ya know, when It really counts)

What's his playoff record?

Did u see how he played against Dallas this year? Bret was going to be pulled out of that game if he kept throwing bonehead INT's.

Did u see how Bret played against the Giants? Not good.

Did Bret throw a Killer Interception in that game when it counted? Yes

Was that game in GB? Yes.

Was that 2007 team good enough to get to the SB? Yes, only because Dallas was eliminated. Farve can't win in Dallas.

Do I hate Bret? No, but he needs to be treated just like the rest of the QB's in the league. Stop with this favortism. That means you Madden & the media. Packer fans I'll give u a pass only cause he's YOUR QB....well backup QB now.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Yeah because media hype alone can make you a first ballot hall of famer... no matter how much you suck. Based on QB rating alone, this was his third best year. He's had a QB rating over 90.0 for eight seasons in his career.... over 16 seasons.

1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2007...

QB rating is the most meaningless QB stat their is I think something like there's only 3 QB's in the HoF with a QB rating over 70 but i could be mistaken but i think i heard that some where.

(Note: Yes, I KNOW he technically played for 17. I'm not counting his two game rookie season in Atlanta where he attempted all of 4 passes)
I think this is the worst argument against a player's stats that is EVER used. He stayed in GB for 16 seasons... so far. He's worked under numerous Head Coaches and Offensive Coordinators, and many different systems, or at least variations of the system. Sure his best seasons were in the WCO when he had decent WRs, but you can make that argument about any offensive skill player. It's the same with Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt. They benefited from the system and an all time great OL. Do you feel Aikman was overrated because he happened to play in a great system with great teammates?

What I mean he benefited by the system was that he was no longer the gun slinger whipping the ball down the field. 200+ of his compeltions were under 10 yards I'm not convinced that he can still perform at a high level. It just seems that a lot of teams do that dink and dunk crap and the only difference with Green Bay is their WR YAC.

The people who make that same argument catch the same amount of ridicule as far as I'm concerned. It's intellectually lazy, and a cop out bashing of someone who in the end, is just a guy you don't like. If you disregard the best seasons of any player, they're going to appear to suck. But no right minded person does that.

I'm just saying his career was in the decline and was going down hill and the he has this magical resurgent career and all of a sudden he is the greatest thing since slice bread......

And it's not like Favre had the best talent he ever had around him this past season. It was leagues behind the talent he had during their run to two SBs. It was basically Donald Driver and a bunch of cast offs. But he had his best year ever in Completion %, 3rd best in QB rating, and 3rd best in yards.

I don't think you can consider Greg Jennings a cast off but w.e. floats your boat.

And not to mention, only two seasons before this one were subpar for him. In 2004, he threw for 30 TDs (more than 2007's 28), completed 64% of his passes, threw for 4,000 yards AGAIN (he's now done it 5 times), and had a QB rating of 92.4.

Yea your right I looked at the stats and saw that he did have a good season in 04.

But you're right, if you ignore this past one, the two before it were subpar. Therefore, he sucks. I think you just don't like the guy, and you wish he'd leave. It's obvious the Packers fanbase doesn't agree with you... they're picketing outside Lambeau.

Yeah, looks pretty ridiculous to me.

A lot of the packer fan base would allow brett farve to spit in their face and they would accept it. Picketting for a QB..... like what is the management supposed to do with a guy like this that has been enshrined in Packer fandom like this. He's been toying around with retirement for a while now and when he finally does it he goes oh noes I want a do over. He has power of the franchise and no player should have as much power as he does in Green Bay.

You have got to be kidding. The guy at 38 throws for over 4000 yrds , 30 TDs+-, has the best completion percentage in his career, led the team in a number of 4th quarter comebacks, took the team to the NFC championship game, finished 2nd in the MVP of the league behind Bradys once in a lifetime performance, and "he looked old, worn and tired." I would bet that every QB in the league hope when they turn 38 they are as "old, worn and tired" as Favre was last year. Heck, I bet every Qb in the league outside of Manning or Brady, would settle for the performance Favre had any year.

I have not done the research but has any QB in history ever had the numbers that Favre had last year. At 38 yrs old. Old, worn and tired. Even the most ardent FAvre haters would have to come up with different adjectives because those don't apply.

Romo had a better season than Farve did yet farve had more MVP votes....go figure. Look at his press conference after game he is old tired and worn physically and mentally drained. He is a shrewed old man holding and playing for stats only.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I don't think Favre is overrated in the least. I think he deserves all the accolades he gets.

However, for anyone who thinks he's as good as Aikman was in the playoffs? That's just silly.

 

[iceberg]

I bet ten bucks if Favre is in fact released, he goes to the Vikings.

If he went to the Vikes that would be very scary.

when TO whined about his contract and wanted out, he was an evil evil man. can't do what he said he'd do. won't honor the agreement.

now favre spent 2-3 years holding the team hostage while he pulled a parcells and had to go find the inner strength to go on making millions a year and then he finally walks away into the sunset.

sort of.

now he wants back, wants to start and if he can't have his way he'll WAH a lot. favre needs to put his diapers back on, shove a pacifier in, and stay retired and get the hell of my TV once and for all. if he wants back, unretire and go play backup and finish your contract.

 

[peplaw06]

QB rating is the most meaningless QB stat their is I think something like there's only 3 QB's in the HoF with a QB rating over 70 but i could be mistaken but i think i heard that some where.

Read: I don't know ho they come up with a QB rating, therefore, it is meaningless.

You may need to go ask Adam, theo, or percy howard how important QB rating is. They're more knowledgeable than I am, but I do know that QB rating is probably the least meaningless stat out there.

What I mean he benefited by the system was that he was no longer the gun slinger whipping the ball down the field. 200+ of his compeltions were under 10 yards I'm not convinced that he can still perform at a high level. It just seems that a lot of teams do that dink and dunk crap and the only difference with Green Bay is their WR YAC.

Speaking of meaningless stats... 200 or more out of 356 completions under 10 yards?? Say it ain't so!!!

Favre's YPA was tied for 3rd highest in the league at 7.8, behind Brady's 8.3, Romo's 8.1, and tied with Peyton's 7.8.

And YAC is a good stat for QBs too. It's not like the worst QBs in the league all have a bunch of WRs at the top of the YAC list. A lot of YAC is the QB getting the ball to guys in space who can make something happen. All of those 4 QBs at the top of the YPA list had a number of WRs at the top of the YAC list.

It's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about with stats.

 

[utrunner07]

Blinded by their Favre hatred? Oh please.

The media OVER-HYPES this guy. It's as if this guy does nothing wrong.
He can throw 6-8 INT's in a playoff game (GB vs. Rams I'm sure Packer fans can't forget that one), and all you hear is
"Don't worry Bret, you'll do better next time."
"He's playing like a Kid out there"
"Why retire this guy can play for another 3 yrs"
but when T.O. wears a Santa hat after they lose the Christmas game.
It's a distraction. C'mon people.

Bret is a good QB, but I can't trust him in the playoffs
(ya know, when It really counts)

What's his playoff record?

Did u see how he played against Dallas this year? Bret was going to be pulled out of that game if he kept throwing bonehead INT's.

Did u see how Bret played against the Giants? Not good.

Did Bret throw a Killer Interception in that game when it counted? Yes

Was that game in GB? Yes.

Was that 2007 team good enough to get to the SB? Yes, only because Dallas was eliminated. Farve can't win in Dallas.

Do I hate Bret? No, but he needs to be treated just like the rest of the QB's in the league. Stop with this favortism. That means you Madden & the media. Packer fans I'll give u a pass only cause he's YOUR QB....well backup QB now.

I would be careful talking about stuff that you don't know very much about...your entire argument here is VERY weak.


The media OVER-HYPES this guy. It's as if this guy does nothing wrong.
Ok so you hate him becuase the media over hypes him. Ok. How many records does Favre hold...oh yeah...how important to his team is he....oh yeah...does he play for one of the legendary teams in football...oh yeah...maybe he is not so over hyped....

He can throw 6-8 INT's in a playoff game (GB vs. Rams I'm sure Packer fans can't forget that one), and all you hear is
"Don't worry Bret, you'll do better next time."
"He's playing like a Kid out there"

Ah the much fabled 6 Interception game (BTW it was 6 if you are going to argue like you know something you might want to make sure you know the facts)...yeah you keep focusing on ONE game, just like all the other haters. I have said it before, you can easily pick out one of Aikman's playoff games and just looking at that one say he must have sucked...and no after a bad game the media did not get down on Aikman. Why? Because like Favre they knew it was a fluke.

"Why retire this guy can play for another 3 yrs"

Well everyone said he should have retired before last year and look what happened.

but when T.O. wears a Santa hat after they lose the Christmas game.
It's a distraction. C'mon people.

Wow...this comparison is absolutely absurd....comparing a players on the field play to what someone does off the field? What? I don't even know what you would try to accomplish by comparing the two...what a pathetic argument...becuase wearing a Santa hat = throwing interceptions?

Bret is a good QB, but I can't trust him in the playoffs
(ya know, when It really counts)

Who cares if you can trust him? Do you trust Tony Romo? You sure better say you don't becuase Favre is better in the playoffs than Romo has been.

What's his playoff record?

Lol, I really doubt you know. 12 wins and 10 losses.

Did u see how he played against Dallas this year? Bret was going to be pulled out of that game if he kept throwing bonehead INT's.

Wow you talk to Packer Management? You know he was going to be pulled? Wow!

Did u see how Bret played against the Giants? Not good.

Did you see how Romo played? What's your point?

Did Bret throw a Killer Interception in that game when it counted? Yes

Was that game in GB? Yes.

Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, Joe Namath, Peyton Manning...all have had similar interceptions....AT HOME

Was that 2007 team good enough to get to the SB? Yes, only because Dallas was eliminated. Farve can't win in Dallas.

Ok well then Favre really must suck if he can take his team to the superbowl even if Dallas was eliminated...

No, but he needs to be treated just like the rest of the QB's in the league. Stop with this favortism.

I tell you what, when every other QB in the league holds the majority of the passing records then he can be treated like the rest...until then maybe you need to realize that he has almost every major passing record and is going to get hyped becuase of it.....(plus lots of other reasons)

 

[5Stars]

when TO whined about his contract and wanted out, he was an evil evil man. can't do what he said he'd do. won't honor the agreement.

now favre spent 2-3 years holding the team hostage while he pulled a parcells and had to go find the inner strength to go on making millions a year and then he finally walks away into the sunset.

sort of.

now he wants back, wants to start and if he can't have his way he'll WAH a lot. favre needs to put his diapers back on, shove a pacifier in, and stay retired and get the hell of my TV once and for all. if he wants back, unretire and go play backup and finish your contract.

Thank you very much! I couldn't have said it better...!!

 

[Doomsday101]

If Brett wants to return then he should. In my own opinion I think it would be better for him to stay retired but I understand the reasons why he would want to continue. Most of these guys have been playing this game since they were kids it is what they know and as the season is getting closer so is his desire to compete. I think he still has the talent to play the game at a high level. I don't think this is about money but the love he has for the game.

 

[iceberg]

If Brett wants to return then he should. In my own opinion I think it would be better for him to stay retired but I understand the reasons why he would want to continue. Most of these guys have been playing this game since they were kids it is what they know and as the season is getting closer so is his desire to compete. I think he still has the talent to play the game at a high level. I don't think this is about money but the love he has for the game.

if he loved the game, he'd not consider retirement year in and year out. he would not have retired and then suddenly when life went on without him, he wants back in.

i've always respected favre the player but favre the person needs to slap a pad on it and shut up.