Brooks: NFC East Rookie Grades

[Hardline]

Using basic stats like that to evaluate how a CB played all season is indeed ridiculous. Brown played great and looked like a steal for a 6th rounder...that doesn't make him equal to Eli Apple.

If their stats are equal that does make them equal.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Wentz ranked 25th in QBR and 27th in DVOA. I don't know what would tell anybody that he's ready for the big time or he's a star in the making. This in part is why so many people do ill-conceived draft grades. The draft is about getting value for the player drafted. The rest is up to the coaching staff and the player staying healthy.

I don't think anybody can judge, yay or nay, on Wentz after 1 season just because of the QB position is a different animal. But I certainly would not look at his rookie year as a positive. He, for the most part, stunk to high heaven.

We probably picked EE too high, all reports had him going in the teens. It worked out splendidly because the scouts had him as a future HoF'er and he looked every bit the part (I hated the pick when it happened). I would probably dock some points for the Cowboys being able to trade down 2 spots and still get EE and an extra 4th rounder.

Smith is a classic example of a player you have to wait and see due to his injury. If he's an average player in the end, then the Cowboys didn't get value for him in the 2nd round and they misjudged his injury.

Tapper was projected to be a 3rd-4th rounder and that's where they got him. Dak is a little confusing because some reportedly had him as a 2nd rounder, but I think they are saying that to cover themselves. I think he was probably a 4th-5th round talent on most boards. It wound up being a great pick, but I don't know if I would call it good 'drafting' because they took a player where everybody had him projected to go.

I think they reached for Gaithers. Even if he works out, he was a UDFA material. Brown I think was a great value because the Cowboys had him as a 4th rounder and couldn't believe he fell to them. Again, even if Brown doesn't work out, the *drafting* process was sound.




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[Hardline]

Wentz ranked 25th in QBR and 27th in DVOA. I don't know what would tell anybody that he's ready for the big time or he's a star in the making. This in part is why so many people do ill-conceived draft grades. The draft is about getting value for the player drafted. The rest is up to the coaching staff and the player staying healthy.

I don't think anybody can judge, yay or nay, on Wentz after 1 season just because of the QB position is a different animal. But I certainly would not look at his rookie year as a positive. He, for the most part, stunk to high heaven.

We probably picked EE too high, all reports had him going in the teens. It worked out splendidly because the scouts had him as a future HoF'er and he looked every bit the part (I hated the pick when it happened). I would probably dock some points for the Cowboys being able to trade down 2 spots and still get EE and an extra 4th rounder.

Smith is a classic example of a player you have to wait and see due to his injury. If he's an average player in the end, then the Cowboys didn't get value for him in the 2nd round and they misjudged his injury.

Tapper was projected to be a 3rd-4th rounder and that's where they got him. Dak is a little confusing because some reportedly had him as a 2nd rounder, but I think they are saying that to cover themselves. I think he was probably a 4th-5th round talent on most boards. It wound up being a great pick, but I don't know if I would call it good 'drafting' because they took a player where everybody had him projected to go.

I think they reached for Gaithers. Even if he works out, he was a UDFA material. Brown I think was a great value because the Cowboys had him as a 4th rounder and couldn't believe he fell to them. Again, even if Brown doesn't work out, the *drafting* process was sound.




YR

Wentz will be throwing to Cory Davis next season.

 

[SDCowboy]

Wentz ranked 25th in QBR and 27th in DVOA. I don't know what would tell anybody that he's ready for the big time or he's a star in the making. This in part is why so many people do ill-conceived draft grades. The draft is about getting value for the player drafted. The rest is up to the coaching staff and the player staying healthy.

I don't think anybody can judge, yay or nay, on Wentz after 1 season just because of the QB position is a different animal. But I certainly would not look at his rookie year as a positive. He, for the most part, stunk to high heaven.

So true. The love for Wentz is truly a puzzling thing. He has a pretty bad rookie season (IMO), yet there is just tons of praise heaped on him and it makes no sense to me. Obviously his team's lack of receiving talent likely played a role, and he may very well pan out to be a good QB, but I have no clue how one could extrapolate much positive from his first year.

 

[Risen Star]

The way the season went for both Apple and Brown would you rather have Apple at number 10 overall or Brown a 6th round pick?

No question it's Brown.

But do I think he's as good as Apple? No.

 

[Macnalty]

So true. The love for Wentz is truly a puzzling thing. He has a pretty bad rookie season, yet there is just tons of praise heaped on him and it makes no sense to me. Obviously his team's lack of receiving talent likely played a role, and he may very well pan out to be a good QB, but I have no clue what how one could extrapolate much positive from his first year.

I think Wentz had the normal year for a top pick QB rookie, Dak was just off the charts in comparison.

 

[SDCowboy]

I think Wentz had the normal year for a top pick QB rookie, Dak was just off the charts in comparison.

And that's a fair point, but the amount of praise still seems imbalanced, IMO.

 

[tm1119]

The way the season went for both Apple and Brown would you rather have Apple at number 10 overall or Brown a 6th round pick?

You're missing the point...I'm not arguing who was a better value, and I clearly even stated that I wasn't even sure who played better last year. I was just simply pointing out the stupidity of judging 2 CB's based on Tackles, Sacks, Forced Fumbles, and INT's. Don't see how anybody that knows anything about football would think that makes sense.

For instance: AJ Bouye was widely considered a top 10 CB in football last year is going to get a huge contract this off season.

63 Tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 1 INT (would have been way more effective if I could have figured out how he posted the graphics lol)

Was Brown also just as good Bouye last year?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

No question it's Brown.

But do I think he's as good as Apple? No.

I think they both need more developing but I do agree with you take Brown in the 6th over Apple.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

You're missing the point...I'm not arguing who was a better value, and I clearly even stated that I wasn't even sure who played better last year. I was just simply pointing out the stupidity of judging 2 CB's based on Tackles, Sacks, Forced Fumbles, and INT's. Don't see how anybody that knows anything about football would think that makes sense.

For instance: AJ Bouye was widely considered a top 10 CB in football last year is going to get a huge contract this off season.

63 Tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 1 INT (would have been way more effective if I could have figured out how he posted the graphics lol)

Was Brown also just as good Bouye last year?

I don't think the original post was trying to say he was better because of those stats. I think he was just saying we got "stat" wise the same production as a top 10 pick. That being said who would you have rather had Apple at 10 overall or Brown in the 6th round

 

[DandyDon52]

Any draft where you come away with a new franchise QB who was the ROTY and an all pro RB, that alone is an A+. Anything beyond that is gravy.

What in the world would be an A+ to you?

A+ suggests perfect, and I dont think it was perfect, just real good
Dak is sort of a freaky lucky deal that is hard to grade .
The RB was supposed to be just what he was. Which is still good because he delivered and some high picks dont.

And on some of them that didnt play only time will tell.
Jaylon was a # 2 so it depends on what happens with him as to the final grade on this draft.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Wentz will be throwing to Cory Davis next season.

Can he throw with accuracy to Cory Davis? Can he anticipate where Davis and the defense is going to be? Is he going to be able to feel the pass rush and not take unnecessary hits to keep himself healthy and prevent himself from being sacked?





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[Alexander]

No question it's Brown.

But do I think he's as good as Apple? No.

If it is even close, win for Dallas. If he starts and is reliable, way better than spending a first on basically the same player.

 

[Hardline]

Can he throw with accuracy to Cory Davis? Can he anticipate where Davis and the defense is going to be? Is he going to be able to feel the pass rush and not take unnecessary hits to keep himself healthy and prevent himself from being sacked?





YR

His receivers dropped a lot of passes. That was his problem.

 

[Alexander]

His receivers dropped a lot of passes. That was his problem.

No, the problem was that he had NO receivers.

When Jordan Matthews is your best wideout, you have issues.

 

[Risen Star]

No receivers, a bunch of backup RBs, an inconsistent TE, shoddy OL play. Hopefully it continues but anyone expecting this is who Wentz will be is kidding themselves.

I've never in my life thought the Eagles had an elite QB. Now I do and I just have to hope they fail to surround him with enough talent to win.

 

[Derinyar]

So true. The love for Wentz is truly a puzzling thing. He has a pretty bad rookie season (IMO), yet there is just tons of praise heaped on him and it makes no sense to me. Obviously his team's lack of receiving talent likely played a role, and he may very well pan out to be a good QB, but I have no clue how one could extrapolate much positive from his first year.

As far as the way seasons are viewed for players, in virtually every sport, playing well at the start of a season tends to make an impression and leave a favorable memory for many. Wentz started out really well before teams realized he was running a 5 yards and under passing game and started just playing tackle the WR asap after the catch.

 

[ShiningStar]

the question is, now can the successful draft work for us. I dont care if you put 1st rounders at every position, if you cant win it, you might as well celebrate with the Bills and Eagles at the end of the year.

 

[Hardline]

No, the problem was that he had NO receivers.

When Jordan Matthews is your best wideout, you have issues.

Exactly the point I was making. That's why I mentioned Cory Davis will be catching balls from Wentz next season.

 

[Alexander]

No receivers, a bunch of backup RBs, an inconsistent TE, shoddy OL play. Hopefully it continues but anyone expecting this is who Wentz will be is kidding themselves.

I've never in my life thought the Eagles had an elite QB. Now I do and I just have to hope they fail to surround him with enough talent to win.

Uncle Howie will hook you up.

They will draft a CB in the first.