Browns are still Good just played 2 really good defenses

[ajk23az]

Big Ben doesn't suck but the dude isn't elite. Their passing attack is not a threat. If they start running on teams it sets teams up for the pass. If you take that away then the Steelers offense is not a threat. If you have been watching the Steelers since they got Big Ben when have they ever been a passing team. The run to set up the pass.

As does almost every team in the league except the Patriots & POSSIBLY the Colts.

 

[AdamJT13]

I came away thinking our win was more impressive, considering we manhandled them and they were very competitive with the Steelers, who are clearly the best team in the AFC.

Same here.

 

[Real1st]

You just said before the Steelers are unimpressive yet they win games because they have a damn good defense and a damn good running game.

If they have 2 of the 3 things (Defense, Passing attack, running attack) that make a team good, that team is considered good. The Steelers CHOOSE to run most of the time because they are VERY good at it, not because Ben can't pass the ball, again he had 32 TD's last year. He proved he can.

If you don't think the Steelers can pass the ball you are in for a big surprise, Tomlin has that team looking good. Did you see the weather in that game last night? The wind and rain was ridiculous.

They are unimpressive because they scored 10 points on the browns terrible defense when we mauled them. But people say they are the best team when they barley got by a team we destroyed??? Please whatever.

32 TDS so what? Half of them TDS could be because he threw a pass from the opposing teams 1 yard line. Dude didn't even have a 300 yard game last year until the playoffs which they lost and threw 3 INTS. When he has over 30 attempts notice how he starts to throw picks

 

[Real1st]

As does almost every team in the league except the Patriots & POSSIBLY the Colts.

And Cowboys.

Why?

Because we have potent QBs

 

[theogt]

When they were closing out the game, they got some first downs PASSING the ball, especially early in that drive.

BTW-in their '05 Super Bowl run, Cowher called pass-happy game plans in their 3 AFC playoff wins, and Big Bin had 100+ QB ratings.

I wouldn't call it pass-happy. Averaging 22 passes per game and 200 yards per game passing in the playoffs isn't "pass-happy."

 

[bbgun]

Do you really care about the Browns, or do you only care about making our "W" look more impressive? If the Giants haven't played anyone, then neither have we.

 

[Velvet Jones]

Big Ben doesn't suck but the dude isn't elite. Their passing attack is not a threat. If they start running on teams it sets teams up for the pass. If you take that away then the Steelers offense is not a threat. If you have been watching the Steelers since they got Big Ben when have they ever been a passing team. The run to set up the pass.

To me, that is akin to saying that Aikman can't be called elite because we had Emmitt and too many other weapons. Or that Brady isn't elite because he is in a system that just works for him. Ben does what he is asked to and he does it very well. Just my opinion.

 

[Real1st]

To me, that is akin to saying that Aikman can't be called elite because we had Emmitt and too many other weapons. Or that Brady isn't elite because he is in a system that just works for him. Ben does what he is asked to and he does it very well. Just my opinion.

Which is manage the game. Not go out and win it with his arm like Brady or Romo.

And stop putting words in my mouth. Brady isn't successful because of his system its because he is a elite QB.

And to bring Aikman in the discussion is dumb. We had a HOF RB why not give him the damn ball? And Aikman is a HOF QB. Aikman was and always will be 3000 Miles ahead of Big Ben. Aikman was one of the best passers of all time.

 

[Velvet Jones]

Which is manage the game. Not go out and win it with his arm like Brady or Romo.

And stop putting words in my mouth. Brady isn't successful because of his system its because he is a elite QB.

And to bring Aikman in the discussion is dumb. We had a HOF RB why not give him the damn ball? And Aikman is a HOF QB. Aikman was and always will be 3000 Miles ahead of Big Ben. Aikman was one of the best passers of all time.

Sigh... how did I know you would take it personally. I am not comparing the players, Real, I am comparing the statements. Like it or not, those are statements that have been made in the past. I am not saying by you, but after this reply, I am sure that you will insinuate that I did. Let me try again and respond to each of your bullets.

Brady has been called someone who simply manages the game in the past. You have to be able to manage the game first, be elite second (of which you seem to have thrown Romo into the elite catagory after one year of starting).

No words in your mouth. I never said that. I said that an arguement like the one you used is akin to those that have been said in the past about Brady (remember those Manning vs Brady threads and discussions??)

Again, just saying that those are arguements people have used to say that Aikman is not up in the elite. Seriously, you have never heard anyone say that before?

So please stop crying and listen to the words that I am saying to you

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Any team with a good defense will stop the Steelers offense. They are not explosive and scary. The strength of that team is their Defense. Big Ben needs a running game to set up the pass. If they relied on Big Bens arm every game they would lose more then they would win.

Ummm...kind of like Detriot with Kitna? The Colts with Manning? How impressive has he looked in the opening two games without a running game? Not exactly the Manning of normal. Aikman without Smith? Wasn't exactly a pretty sight for Dallas back in the day when they couldn't run.

You shut down ANY team and make them one dimensional, where they're always having to pass, and they're not going to be nearly as effective. That isn't exactly a Steeler secret.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

And Cowboys.

Why?

Because we have potent QBs

Yet in a couple of the games we lost last year it was in large part due to us not being able to run the ball effectively.

New England...We didn't run the ball effectively enough and tried to play pass happy, score for score, and got beat.

Philly...couldn't run the ball effectively and our 'all world' offense, that obviously revolves around the pass, scored a wonderful 6 points.

The Commanders game wasn't important cause we mailed that in.

The Playoffs we were doing just fine, while we ran the ball, in the second half we weren't able to run the ball effectively, like in the first half, and we fell apart (along with many other things).

So, again, if you make any team one dimensional then you are going to make it very hard on them to win games.

As someone pointed out the only two teams that are real exceptions to this are the Colts and Patriots and look what a difference the Patriots offense is without Tom Brady. They're not exactly lighting up scoreboards without him, using that Pass first philosphy.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Also another thing...Romo had, what, 36 TD passes last year with 19 INTs? So he's an elite QB, who we win because of him, but Ben throws 32 TDs, and not as many INTS, and he's just a bus driver?

Wow. So if Ben had thrown 4 more TDs then he'd have been a QB who helps them win, instead of a guy just there, or would that have meant that you'd still come up with some other excuse for why he's just there?

Aikman is a Hall of Fame QB on the back of running an offense very similar to the Steelers in that Dallas ran the ball effectively to open up the pass. You mentioned Ben only had 1 300 yard passing game all year...well Aikman only had 13 his entire 11 year career.

Yet Aikman is an AMAZING ELITE HALL OF FAME (LIGHT YEARS BETTER) QB than Ben despite the fact that they're very similar in what they're asked to do and how they get it done.

(Note the I'm not saying Ben is as good as Aikman, I do think Aikman was better and more accurate) but they're on the same playing field in terms of how they were asked to do their jobs.