BTB Finding Playmaking Defensive Ends For The Dallas Cowboys

[supercowboy8]

PRODUCTION RATIO = (SACKS + TACKLES FOR LOSS) / NUMBER OF GAMES PLAYED
Prodution Ratio for the last 2 years
Nate Orchard 2.08
Markus Golden 1.83
Trey Flowers 1.67
Dante Fowler 1.56
Preston Smith 1.32

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2015...ding-playmaking-defensive-ends-for-the-dallas

 

[unionjack8]

Any info from previous years to see how this stat bears out in a players rookie year or first 2/3 in the league otherwise it's just a meaningless stat IMO.

Ie does a college players production ratio equal productivity of any kind in the NFL.?

 

[Alexander]

Any info from previous years to see how this stat bears out in a players rookie year or first 2/3 in the league otherwise it's just a meaningless stat IMO.

Ie does a college players production ratio equal productivity of any kind in the NFL.?

I do not think it possibly can. Too many variables on the level of competition being the primary reason. A college end can whip up on some LT from Podunk Tech and inflate production.

 

[xwalker]

Any info from previous years to see how this stat bears out in a players rookie year or first 2/3 in the league otherwise it's just a meaningless stat IMO.

Ie does a college players production ratio equal productivity of any kind in the NFL.?

College stats don't mean much to me. The variance in competition, scheme, etc.. is too high.

 

[endersdragon]

Could Golden work out here? He is largely being considered a 2rd or even 3rd round prospect, and I get that he is too small... but at that kind of position with that kind of production... in that kind of conference... I would really want him.

 

[endersdragon]

College stats don't mean much to me. The variance in competition, scheme, etc.. is too high.

I think sometimes people want to discount college performance too much, which the Cowboys don't seem to do quite as much, and it has lead to us getting players like Fredbeard and Hitchens, who were at the time considered insane picks, but are now being considered great pickups (at least for their spot in Hitchens case).

 

[xwalker]

I think sometimes people want to discount college performance too much, which the Cowboys don't seem to do quite as much, and it has lead to us getting players like Fredbeard and Hitchens, who were at the time considered insane picks, but are now being considered great pickups (at least for their spot in Hitchens case).

I don't discount college performance, I just don't use stats to measure it. The best way to evaluate a player is by watching his game footage.

Consider a player like Crawford for the Cowboys this year. He didn't rack up many sacks but was the best player on defense in most games if you go by the game footage.

The next most important thing is their mental makeup. Guys like Martin, Fred and Hitchens were good as rookies because they are smart and dedicated; whereas a guy like Bruce Carter is inconsistent even in this 4th year because he is just not as smart as Hitchens, IMO.

 

[endersdragon]

I don't discount college performance, I just don't use stats to measure it. The best way to evaluate a player is by watching his game footage.

Consider a player like Crawford for the Cowboys this year. He didn't rack up many sacks but was the best player on defense in most games if you go by the game footage.

The next most important thing is their mental makeup. Guys like Martin, Fred and Hitchens were good as rookies because they are smart and dedicated; whereas a guy like Bruce Carter is inconsistent even in this 4th year because he is just not as smart as Hitchens, IMO.

Agreed about the intelligence thing. The Big 10 has some pretty strict academic rules, compared to the ACC, and Ferentz is sort of like Garrett in his desire for RKGs, so Iowa linebackers, somewhat like PSU linebackers (though not quite to the extent) tend to be RKGs. I suppose my main point is, don't judge combine results more than college performance. That happens every year and leads to some stupid decisions.

 

[xwalker]

Agreed about the intelligence thing. The Big 10 has some pretty strict academic rules, compared to the ACC, and Ferentz is sort of like Garrett in his desire for RKGs, so Iowa linebackers, somewhat like PSU linebackers (though not quite to the extent) tend to be RKGs. I suppose my main point is, don't judge combine results more than college performance. That happens every year and leads to some stupid decisions.

Yes, the combine is the only reason the analysts moved Fred down from late first.

 

[BAT]

PRODUCTION RATIO = (SACKS + TACKLES FOR LOSS) / NUMBER OF GAMES PLAYED
Prodution Ratio for the last 2 years
Nate Orchard 2.08
Markus Golden 1.83
Trey Flowers 1.67
Dante Fowler 1.56
Preston Smith 1.32

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2015...ding-playmaking-defensive-ends-for-the-dallas

Article is a little disengenuous and leading. Obviously the author has a bit of an agenda when he dismisses the top 3 guys based on his own preferred measurment system outright inferring weight or height as deciding factors. 6-4 250 is his golden mean. There are many succesful DEs under 6'4 and it is possible to gain 10 lbs in an NFL weight program. Further, Golden weighs more than Orchard (his pet cat) and almost as much as Dupree (his other pet cat). Kikaha weighs 5 lbs less than Orchard and just 1 inch shorter (same as Beasley & Golden). Dante Fowler's numbers are just as good as Dupree's (except for his lack of height).

And discounting the small school guys by using the example of Adrian Hamilton was weak. Why not use Mathis as the example and then explain why Lynden Trail, Zach Wagenman, Ryan Delaire or Shaq Riddick do not fit? And no mention at all of Davis Tull???