BTB: Is Carson Wentz The Top QB In The Draft

[darthseinfeld]

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016/1/9/10741672/is-carson-wentz-the-top-qb-in-the-2016-draft-class

Awful lot of buzz here

 

[Toruk_Makto]

No.

 

[VACowboy]

I like the guy, but the way one game can influence draft grades in the media drives me nuts.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I like the guy, but the way one game can influence draft grades in the media drives me nuts.

He still has a long way to before he really gives us an indication of how good a prospect he is or if he is overrated. How he works VS the draftable SR talent at the Senior Bowl and what impression he leaves the staffs and scouts there about his coachability is going to be where he shows people whether he is a legit franchise level prospect or just a project

 

[sbark]

Using jimmy Johnson theory of a top 5 pick should be a 99% chance he's a player for 10 years....Goff is a 15-20 range 1st round, lynch and wentz top of 2nd round. But in a league set up for passing they get overvalued to a point of roster stability (Cleveland) where top pick is repeatedly blown.

 

[VACowboy]

He still has a long way to before he really gives us an indication of how good a prospect he is or if he is overrated. How he works VS the draftable SR talent at the Senior Bowl and what impression he leaves the staffs and scouts there about his coachability is going to be where he shows people whether he is a legit franchise level prospect or just a project

No kidding, but some "experts" are talking about Wentz #1 overall. I have no problem with that, and he may well be. The way people in the media are basing this assessment on one game makes me crazy, though.

 

[Risen Star]

I like the guy, but the way one game can influence draft grades in the media drives me nuts.

If you follow the draft you knew this was almost inevitable. @MichaelWinicki and I were discussing this recently. I won't say if it was through a direct message on this site or we were hanging out offline again, but we talked about Wentz not being an option for the Cowboys in the 2nd round. Even the very top of the 2nd round. As long as he didn't have any issues like an injury, something off the field, he was going to be a 1st round draft pick.

There are two ways of looking at it and, when we look back on this, the right answer here will probably go a long way in determining the long term success of Wentz. 1) He's merely being over valued because of the position he plays. ....or 2) Put the same prospect on a Florida or Florida St. and he'd never have been talked about in the 2nd round to begin with.

All I'll say pre-Melsy is I think the theme that these QBs are subpar and not worthy of high picks in a "normal year" is off base. I don't believe it.

 

[darthseinfeld]

No kidding, but some "experts" are talking about Wentz #1 overall. I have no problem with that, and he may well be. The way people in the media are basing this assessment on one game makes me crazy, though.

At this point you can only look at a small part of the pie really. Thats why rankings right now are so fluid, and some cases you could have a drastic difference in opinion on players. Im sure you could produce alot of notable draft experts that view him as a second round prospect. Right its basic football mechanics, which is rudimentary in evalautions. Things like ability to make this and that throw, accuracy, feet in the pocket, ect. From just that look alone I can understand valuing Wentz that high. He checks about as many boxes as Goff and Lynch. Right now in the film room they seem to be the three that look the part.

Keep in mind that the article does note that CBS had Jones rated as a 7th rounder this time last year

 

[darthseinfeld]

If you follow the draft you knew this was almost inevitable. @MichaelWinicki and I were discussing this recently. I won't say if it was through a direct message on this site or we were hanging out offline again, but we talked about Wentz not being an option for the Cowboys in the 2nd round. Even the very top of the 2nd round. As long as he didn't have any issues like an injury, something off the field, he was going to be a 1st round draft pick.

There are two ways of looking at it and, when we look back on this, the right answer here will probably go a long way in determining the long term success of Wentz. 1) He's merely being over valued because of the position he plays. ....or 2) Put the same prospect on a Florida or Florida St. and he'd never have been talked about in the 2nd round to begin with.

All I'll say pre-Melsy is I think the theme that these QBs are subpar and not worthy of high picks in a "normal year" is off base. I don't believe it.

Ive said it before, but while I don't see a top overall talents I see guys like Ryan, Bortles and Rivers who all went around our pick

 

[waving monkey]

The current feel around the draft IMO is Wentz could be gone and our
only option is Lynch . Goff goes to Cleveland. Wouldnt that be odd.
Just crazy speculation.

 

[DoctorChicken]

I think he could be.

 

[VACowboy]

If you follow the draft you knew this was almost inevitable.

Yeh, and i laugh every year.

There are two ways of looking at it and, when we look back on this, the right answer here will probably go a long way in determining the long term success of Wentz. 1) He's merely being over valued because of the position he plays. ....or 2) Put the same prospect on a Florida or Florida St. and he'd never have been talked about in the 2nd round to begin with.

Great perspective. Very well explained.

All I'll say pre-Melsy is I think the theme that these QBs are subpar and not worthy of high picks in a "normal year" is off base. I don't believe it.

Me neither. I like all three of these guys a lot more than I liked Bortles. Again, none of them plays for FSU or USC.

 

[waving monkey]

If you follow the draft you knew this was almost inevitable. @MichaelWinicki and I were discussing this recently. I won't say if it was through a direct message on this site or we were hanging out offline again, but we talked about Wentz not being an option for the Cowboys in the 2nd round. Even the very top of the 2nd round. As long as he didn't have any issues like an injury, something off the field, he was going to be a 1st round draft pick.

There are two ways of looking at it and, when we look back on this, the right answer here will probably go a long way in determining the long term success of Wentz. 1) He's merely being over valued because of the position he plays. ....or 2) Put the same prospect on a Florida or Florida St. and he'd never have been talked about in the 2nd round to begin with.

All I'll say pre-Melsy is I think the theme that these QBs are subpar and not worthy of high picks in a "normal year" is off base. I don't believe it.

Glad to hear it

 

[RS12]

Yeh, and i laugh every year.



Great perspective. Very well explained.



Me neither. I like all three of these guys a lot more than I liked Bortles. Again, none of them plays for FSU or USC.

And Bortles is already exceding a lot of expectations in a bad organization.

 

[btcutter]

There's probably also a lot of misinformation and pumping these QBs by teams out of top 10 hoping the more QBs get picked in the top 10 that will push quality players down to them.

That being said. It's falls again on McClay and the scouting department. If they truly believe one of them is our franchise QB of the future then don't get cute. Pick him and groom him. 4th pick is small price to pay for future of your franchise when you remember the struggle of this team post Aikman era.

 

[KB1122]

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There are two ways of looking at it and, when we look back on this, the right answer here will probably go a long way in determining the long term success of Wentz. 1) He's merely being over valued because of the position he plays. ....or 2) Put the same prospect on a Florida or Florida St. and he'd never have been talked about in the 2nd round to begin with.

Just doing a little YouTube scouting, I'm in the latter category. From what i've read he was short in high school. That's why he's not at a notable program and the No. 1 pick.

 

[IAmLegend]

No.

 

[IAmLegend]

The combine & Pro-Days are going to have such a major impact on these guy's draft positions, just like they do every year, that it's really hard to predict where they'll land.

 

[texbumthelife]

Goff is the only guy who has shown he is worthy of a top-5 selection. Every other quarterback is projection at this point.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

If this guy shows well at the Senior Bowl and we have the inside baseball on his abilities and mental capacity from coaching him, I would be absolutely fine picking him at 4. I know these things are not actually related, but we all must remember that we got 2 TOP first round talents (Gregory & Collins) last year for a low 2nd round pick. So, I feel like we can target the most important position on the football field, even if technically he is not the "best player available." I would rather take a chance on a QB, than suffer through another decade of mediocrity without having taken a shot.