BTB: Trading Up

[waving monkey]

link/ http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/4/13/5602094/can-dallas-cowboys-trade-up-at-a-discount-this-year

 

[waving monkey]

I like the idea of getting the guy that will help the team the most. As the article says .it's a buyers market.

 

[jobberone]

Can Dallas Cowboys Trade Up At A Discount This Year?
By One.Cool.Customer  @OCC44 on Apr 13 2014, 3:45p 234

Jim O'Connor-US PRESSWIRE

If the teams picking in the top half of the first round of the draft are stumbling all over themselves to trade down and acquire extra picks, simple market dynamics suggest that the Cowboys could be better served by trading up.

At the league meetings a little over two weeks ago, Steelers General Manager Kevin Colbert said everyone wants to trade down in this year's draft:

"It makes more sense in this draft than trading up," Colbert said of trading down, via Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "I’m sure everyone shares the same thought."

Given the purported depth of this year's draft, it doesn't really come as a surprise that most teams in the league want to trade down. But in a market where many teams are looking to trade down, simple market dynamics suggest that the Cowboys could be better served by trading up.

Of course, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with staying put and taking the best player available, whoever that may turn out to be. But if supply outstrips demand, prices inevitably fall. Could that happen in this year's draft? If the teams picking in the top half of the first round in this draft are stumbling all over themselves to trade down and acquire extra picks, will they accept a lower price for trading down than teams historically have?

First-round deals can be tricky because of the stakes involved and the price attached to the top picks. There are many examples of teams getting great value by trading up, just as there are many examples of teams getting thoroughly hosed for trading up. Last year, the Dolphins only had to give up a second-round pick to move from 12th to third and select Oregon defensive end Dion Jordan. Here's the deal in draft value points:

12 + 42 = 3
(1,680 points = 2,200 pts)

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/4/13/5602094/can-dallas-cowboys-trade-up-at-a-discount-this-year

 

[jobberone]

I agree with the economics theory but the first round picks are filled with players not worth the first round pick and the cap it brings. Still about 70 to 80% are getting significant snaps over three years. I don't think it is worth giving up much to get higher unless you get an impact player. So far the Claiborne trade up wasn't worth it IMO. If you get a playmaker then you've beaten the curve. But you have to factor in how much we give up since we have so many holes to fill. It's a difficult call.

 

[Fredd]

no trade ups....no one that is not named mack is worth it to me, and he won't fall far enough to entertain the thought

 

[KB1122]

The Claiborne trade was a good trade. It's the player that's the question mark.

 

[Alexander]

Trading up in a fat in the middle draft like this is one thing that I would be upset with.

It is not like most positions on the roster are "set" enough where we can target needs like that.

 

[waving monkey]

I agree with the economics theory but the first round picks are filled with players not worth the first round pick and the cap it brings. Still about 70 to 80% are getting significant snaps over three years. I don't think it is worth giving up much to get higher unless you get an impact player. So far the Claiborne trade up wasn't worth it IMO. If you get a playmaker then you've beaten the curve. But you have to factor in how much we give up since we have so many holes to fill. It's a difficult call.

With your thinking jobberone would you give a fourth round pick to acquire Donald.

 

[waving monkey]

Trading up in a fat in the middle draft like this is one thing that I would be upset with.

It is not like most positions on the roster are "set" enough where we can target needs like that.

if one player could galvanize a line like Fredericks did for the Offensive line would that be worth an additional fourth?

 

[RS12]

And the name of that one player away is? I think they are more like 9 or 10 players away.

 

[Alexander]

if one player could galvanize a line like Fredericks did for the Offensive line would that be worth an additional fourth?

I do not think the DL is anywhere as close to being serviceable as the OL was. We need three legitimate starters.

 

[visionary]

bad idea to trade up in rd 1 because there is no Mo Clairborne in this draft

 

[xwalker]

I like the idea of getting the guy that will help the team the most. As the article says .it's a buyers market.

I don't like the idea of trading up in this draft. The mid rounds are stacked with talent, IMO.

I think there is a high probability that Donald makes it to 16. If Donald goes before 16, then that pushes somebody down. It could be Barr or it could be a player that other teams would pay a premium to trade up to get (i.e. a QB or the #1 rated CB).

The Cowboys could even take the #1 rated CB and then cut Carr after 2014 and use his salary to sign a top DL in free agency. Some team might even trade for Carr. If the trade was after June 1st, then they would actually gain cap space in 2014 from the trade.

 

[DFWJC]

His example of fair value in a trade when the raiders are involved kind of busts up the story. Everyone knew last year that the Raiders gave Miami a very unusual deal last year.
But hey, now that they mention it, the Raiders are picking 5th this year, so maybe there's a deal to made for some team again this year.....though with Clowney, Mack, the QBs, and the OTs, the top 5-6 players this year seem more enticing than last year to me, trade-wise.
I think any team outside the top 12 or wanting into the top 5 will have to pay for it in a big way.

I'd prefer we hold on to our picks.

 

[casmith07]

Trading up would be a mistake. You won't see anybody do it for anything except maybe a QB.

 

[erod]

If you need to trade up a couple spots to get Donald and it only cost you a 5th, then fine. Any more than that, and just stay put.

 

[casmith07]

if one player could galvanize a line like Fredericks did for the Offensive line would that be worth an additional fourth?

Maybe in next year's draft if we have a key spot. This year we need to stand pat or move down for more picks.