Why are all these elite pass rushers getting traded?

[TNCowboy]

Good pass rushers paired with GREAT DT's get the job done, Great pass rushers can't get it done with Good DT's...

Who told you this nonsense? Stephen Jones?

 

[shabazz]

I think that's a falsehood. I think DT is much more important than edge rusher. Not by you, BTW, by those who just love to rate such things.

The Rams, BTW, have a dominant front 3. That's why they wanted Myles Garrett. Garrett is a game changer, way better than most on here realize. He's not called the best D player in the NFL just for fun.

Ive seen enough seasons here of getting boat raced because of our soft interior defensive line. Arizona proved it over and over again.

We've had seasons where we had high numbers of sacks and high rate of getting turnovers but it didn't travel well in the playoffs.

Having an Edge is absolutely essential but the foundation of a defense is the interior DLine......without that, its a house of cards and it been shown here year after year.

 

[Stash]

DT's?

Not typically considered “elite pass rushers”.

 

[Cowboyny]

Not typically considered “elite pass rushers”.

No, but the elite ones can effectively do both. Chris Jones for example can rush and play the run.

 

[Stash]

No, but the elite ones can effectively do both. Chris Jones for example can rush and play the run.

Was he traded?

 

[CT Dal Fan]

What do Garrett and Parsons have in common?

• Big deals
• teams not competitive in the playoffs

Micah Parsons. Myles Garrett. Maxx Crosby. Trey Hendrickson.

Add up their playoff wins. It kind of throws cold water on the notion teams need an alpha pass rusher to win a Super Bowl.

 

[Flamma]

They have limited impact. If you don't have a good team, what's the point in paying an expensive edge rusher? They're not going to move the needle enough to matter. Put one on a good team, and their impact may be the difference in winning a big game.

 

[kskboys]

Who told you this nonsense? Stephen Jones?

Only the best coach of this era, Bill Belichick.

 

[kskboys]

Micah Parsons. Myles Garrett. Maxx Crosby. Trey Hendrickson.

Add up their playoff wins. It kind of throws cold water on the notion teams need an alpha pass rusher to win a Super Bowl.

And to add, when you pay them a ton it means you'll be weak elsewhere.

 

[kskboys]

The other 31 GMs in the league would disagree and have written the contracts to prove it. Jerry might agree with you though.

It’s the second highest paid position in the league and is majorly skewed at the top with the elite players

The top ten Edge rushers average over $33m. The top ten DTs average just over $24m

Wide Receivers are almost even with Edge.

CB is about even with DT.

There can really be no greater measurement of how the industry validates these roles than by how much they pay.

Actually, you are incorrect. There are many teams who target DT's high in the draft. And those teams often end up in the super bowl. Eagles, Seachickens, Steelers, Ravens, Lions, some examples. Teams who don't prioritize DT's are very seldom contenders. NE just made a super bowl because they do so.

Honestly, where do you get that stuff from? And using only pay for you argument? Quite weak, sir. And to say all GMs believe that is just silly, especially when you just had Bill Belichick retire who obviously preferred DTs.

 

[kskboys]

Over the next 3 years, no. Especially if the get a SB out of it.
But at first on paper, and plus Verse. If seems like it.

I don't think so, not when you consider the situation. Rams were one stud D disruptor away from a super bowl last season.

 

[kskboys]

Who are “all these”?

Milton Williams, Jalen Carter, Leonard Williams, Aaron Donald, Vince Wilfork, Vita Vea, Suh, Chris Jones

Is that enough? There is one constant on super bowl winners, strong interior Dline play. Are there exceptions? I'm sure there are, but I can't think of any right now.

Edge rushers fill the stands and the stat sheets. DTs win you super bowls.

 

[Kwyn]

Actually, you are incorrect. There are many teams who target DT's high in the draft. And those teams often end up in the super bowl. Eagles, Seachickens, Steelers, Ravens, Lions, some examples. Teams who don't prioritize DT's are very seldom contenders. NE just made a super bowl because they do so.

Honestly, where do you get that stuff from? And using only pay for you argument? Quite weak, sir. And to say all GMs believe that is just silly, especially when you just had Bill Belichick retire who obviously preferred DTs.

Pay = Value

In a business where the resources cost money, Edges are more valued than tackles

In other shocking news gold is more valuable than silver

 

[zekecowboy]

Jerry started a trend in the NFL, Yeh u know it’s true!!

Maybe Jerry will start a new trend on the offensive side of the ball also!

 

[Cowboyny]

Was he traded?

No, those elite DT's are the ones getting traded, the edge rushers are.

 

[thunderpimp91]

No, those elite DT's are the ones getting traded, the edge rushers are.

Quinnen Williams and Dexter Lawrence were both traded within the last few months. I’m not sure the DT vs edge trades are all that different.

 

[Stash]

Milton Williams, Jalen Carter, Leonard Williams, Aaron Donald, Vince Wilfork, Vita Vea, Suh, Chris Jones

Is that enough? There is one constant on super bowl winners, strong interior Dline play. Are there exceptions? I'm sure there are, but I can't think of any right now.

Edge rushers fill the stands and the stat sheets. DTs win you super bowls.

How does this relate to the question I asked?

The title of the thread says

Why are all these elite pass rushers getting traded?​

Who are “all these”?

 

[Stash]

No, those elite DT's are the ones getting traded, the edge rushers are.

So, I’m confused. Who does “all these” in the thread title refer to?

 

[kskboys]

Pay = Value

In a business where the resources cost money, Edges are more valued than tackles

In other shocking news gold is more valuable than silver

Funny stuff. However, you claimed that all GM's value edge rushers over DTs'. They do not and I named them.

My wife has a kennel, raises dachshunds. She gets more for a puppy than the price of a steer. So, that means a puppy has more value than a steer?

DTs win super bowls. Refute that.

 

[kskboys]

How does this relate to the question I asked?

The title of the thread says

Why are all these elite pass rushers getting traded?​

Who are “all these”?

Oh, sorry, misread your query.

Parsons, Gary, Hendrickson(FA, I think), Verse, Garrett, Danielle Hunter(FA?), Sweat, Burns.

Basically, there are a myriad of reasons why a good/great player is traded. At present, biggest reason is salary cap considerations. Since NFL players in general are demanding team killing contracts, it's becoming common to trade them. Goes for all positions.

We're in a weird time in the NFL right now. Teams are being forced to trade good/great players because paying them kills your super bowl chances. 1/5 or so of the entire salary cap is way too much to pay for any player, including QBs. Teams that do so have a short window to win before those salaries kill your team. Some are finding their way around it for a bit. Be interesting to see what comes next for Philly, after a dramatic dropoff last season.