News: BTB: Will McClay: Cowboys Wanted To Add Quality Depth, Increase Competition...vid added Post #5

[jrumann59]

I would call the Cowboys current roster policy as "Overload"; whereas, I would call their old policy as "Just Enough".

In the old days, if they had Lee, McClain and Hitchens at LB, they would have been content with a bunch of Cam Lawrence types as the backups. Instead, they spent some money to get legit backups like Brinkley and Gachkar and still drafted 2 LBs and signed another veteran with talent (Rivers).

Agreed. Before there was huge drop off to the back ups and then all the backups were equally "inept" or faces in a crowd.

 

[AbeBeta]

Its kinda like when Red was named head coach some of us just knew he'd be a good or better coach
sometimes you don't need to see three years down the road .You have evaluated,investigated.
You know some have to read the numbers and measure ther results.

Last year: Martin? did you need to measure and see him produce?
TLawrence do you?
Hitchens 4th round pick might start this year but after last year you need more?

This year BJones is already showing up
Randy G ?
3rd round has big question mark
4th round
5th
I'll stand by what I said.I've seen McClay production his better then what ever BP had
available by a long shot.

Wow. So little evidence.

 

[AbeBeta]

Being on same page as the coaches is a big upgrade from when Ciscowski was running the draft during the Wade Phillips years and early in the Garrett years.

Parcells ran the draft from the seat of his pants without a structured approach. He drafted Carpenter and Jacob Rogers because their Dad's were players or coaches. He wanted Merriman over Ware and wanted to draft Spear before Ware when they had the two 1st round picks. He thought Julius Jones was about as good as Steven Jackson.

McClay seems to have a very business like, methodical approach.

So you can criticize BP based on hindsight, but McClay looks great ... because we have no opportunity for hindsight at this point

Also this whole "he drafted so and so because their Dads were players or coaches" thing is a bit lame. Neither of those players were over drafted. They just sucked. Good on Parcells for realizing Carpenter sucked and not even dressing him early on and cutting ties with Rogers early. That's a giant step right there as you know Jerry would have started Carp and held on to Rogers forever.

 

[xwalker]

So you can criticize BP based on hindsight, but McClay looks great ... because we have no opportunity for hindsight at this point

Also this whole "he drafted so and so because their Dads were players or coaches" thing is a bit lame. Neither of those players were over drafted. They just sucked. Good on Parcells for realizing Carpenter sucked and not even dressing him early on and cutting ties with Rogers early. That's a giant step right there as you know Jerry would have started Carp and held on to Rogers forever.

Parcells did the best thing that ever happened to the Cowboys, fire Larry Lacewell; however, Parcells had an arrogant approach to the draft. I'm not making up the part about their Dads. It was a big influence on the picks. Parcells forgot to check to see if they actually liked playing football which they really didn't. Neither liked the physicality of the NFL. Neither was the first choice of the scouts.

Parcells was a good influence on Stephen who is really running the team now. Parcells fired Lacewell and Broaddus and I think he fired the other knucklehead that is now in the media, Stretch (I forget his last name).

It's not possible to directly compare McClay to Parcells, but it seems easy to see that McClay has a better approach to running the draft than Ciscowski, especially in terms of communicating with the coaches. McClay, Stephen and Garrett should get the benefit of the doubt for several years just because they kept Jerry from drafting Manziel.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Being on same page as the coaches is a big upgrade from when Ciscowski was running the draft during the Wade Phillips years and early in the Garrett years.

Parcells ran the draft from the seat of his pants without a structured approach. He drafted Carpenter and Jacob Rogers because their Dad's were players or coaches. He wanted Merriman over Ware and wanted to draft Spear before Ware when they had the two 1st round picks. He thought Julius Jones was about as good as Steven Jackson.

McClay seems to have a very business like, methodical approach.

Agreeable, Would Parcells listen to a McClay type and risk credit being heaped on another? Bill seemed to complicate issues and come up with whimsical reasoning that the value of talent evaluation in the Draft was minute, especially compared to what we are seeing today.

Bill thought Pro Bowl players would come no matter where he sought them in the Draft, he believed that the Draft was an inexact science and while that may be true the time and effort that McClay represents is really showing up big on the current roster. Too bad for Parcells.

 

[marchetta]

 

[Alexander]

Depth is one thing. Knowing what depth to look for is another.

Not sold completely on McClay, but there are promising signs that he at least can bridge the gap between the personnel department and the coaching staff, which is a huge skill to have.

It was an interesting way they went about constructing this roster this offseason.

If it pays off, then people better be prepared to kiss McClay goodbye. There are only so many titles they can give him.

 

[Idgit]

I like McClay. But then, I like pretty much all the personnel guys, because people only ever say nice things about them and there's no real means of evaluating how they do their jobs. More than anything, I think there's a lot to be said for having an organized process between the coaches and the scouts and the team management. Your personnel guys aren't any different from any other area of your football team. If the team is successful, they're going to be in demand. Just like your coaches and players are. The only thing you can do is setup a system that works and keep finding scouts who work hard and fit into that system. You pay the ones you want to keep, and you replace the ones you can replace or who want a bigger title with a lesser organization.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Depth is one thing. Knowing what depth to look for is another.

Not sold completely on McClay, but there are promising signs that he at least can bridge the gap between the personnel department and the coaching staff, which is a huge skill to have.

It was an interesting way they went about constructing this roster this offseason.

If it pays off, then people better be prepared to kiss McClay goodbye. There are only so many titles they can give him.

You are legitimately the most depressing poster on the forum.

Unbridled optimism is a fool's errand but so is looking at everything from the most negative perspective possible.

Oh and being wrong so often doesn't help your case much either.

 

[xwalker]

You are legitimately the most depressing poster on the forum.

Unbridled optimism is a fool's errand but so is looking at everything from the most negative perspective possible.

Oh and being wrong so often doesn't help your case much either.

I'm not worried about McClay leaving. Jerry won't give him the GM title. but Jerry had been know to way over pay for staff positions. Jerry was paying the old OL coach Houck 1M back when the next highest paid OL coach in the league was not making 500K. Jerry paid Garrett 3M as the offensive coordinator.

 

[Risen Star]

Marinelli was a great hire.Lindman was a great hire.
In my opinion, Willie McClay is just as big.

Keeping McClay on the staff will make us a perennial contender

It makes me wonder what would happen to the Earth's gravitational pull if McClay and Marinelli ever disagreed on something.