Budda Baker

[Denim Chicken]

too short, Dallas wont draft him.

 

[Floatyworm]

Let's hope he isn't the next Bob Sanders....BS was more brittle than Sean Lee

 

[BAT]

too short, Dallas wont draft him.

Drafting based on size is pure stupidity. Great players come in all sizes. Parcells Planet Theory is obsolete, Jimmy proved that. And there have been great players who are less than ideal height/weight: FS Earl Thomas, QB Russell Wilson, TE Delanie Walker, CB Darrell Green, LB Sam Mills, DE Elvis Dumervil, DT John Randle, DT Aaron Donald, SS Bob Sanders, LB Jatavis Brown, FS Tyrann Mathieu, SS Troy Polamalu, RB Darren Sproles, DE Bruce Irvin, FS Thomas Everett etc.

 

[RomoFor6]

Good player, round 1 too rich for me though

 

[tm1119]

Drafting based on size is pure stupidity. Great players come in all sizes. Parcells Planet Theory is obsolete, Jimmy proved that. And there have been great players who are less than ideal height/weight: FS Earl Thomas, QB Russell Wilson, TE Delanie Walker, CB Darrell Green, LB Sam Mills, DE Elvis Dumervil, DT John Randle, DT Aaron Donald, SS Bob Sanders, LB Jatavis Brown, FS Tyrann Mathieu, SS Troy Polamalu, RB Darren Sproles, DE Bruce Irvin, FS Thomas Everett etc.

His height shouldn't be the worry...it's his weight that is the issue. 5'10 wouldn't scare me, but under 190 pounds sure would. Not that he would be incapable of playing at that weight, but more how long could he possibly last? Bob Sanders career lasted all of 2 years, honey badger has been in the league 4 years and is averaging about 12 games per year, Polomalu was constantly banged up and missed a lot of time, Jatavis Brown missed 6 games this year...making an impact as an undersized player certainly is possible, staying on the field in today's game undersized on the other hand? Not impossible, but it is unlikely. The cliche about availability is definitely true.

Hopefully Buddy is stuffing his face with good food and hitting the gym so this isn't an issue though. If he can show up to the combine at at least 195 it should alleviate a lot of these concerns.

 

[Verdict]

He's a liability in coverage. I think you are seriously overrating his leadership skills. Can't be a leader when you are constantly 7 yards behind the guy running into the end zone.

Well said. The whole notion that a player can suck but should be kept around because he is a "great leader" is misguided. If they can't play but they are that important to the team, then sign them up as a coach and move on.

 

[BAT]

His height shouldn't be the worry...it's his weight that is the issue. 5'10 wouldn't scare me, but under 190 pounds sure would. Not that he would be incapable of playing at that weight, but more how long could he possibly last? Bob Sanders career lasted all of 2 years, honey badger has been in the league 4 years and is averaging about 12 games per year, Polomalu was constantly banged up and missed a lot of time, Jatavis Brown missed 6 games this year...making an impact as an undersized player certainly is possible, staying on the field in today's game undersized on the other hand? Not impossible, but it is unlikely. The cliche about availability is definitely true.

Hopefully Buddy is stuffing his face with good food and hitting the gym so this isn't an issue though. If he can show up to the combine at at least 195 it should alleviate a lot of these concerns.

There are even more big/ideal sized guys who couldn't stay on the field either. Even on our own team: Tyrone Crawford, Demarcus Lawrence, Mo Claiborne, Terrence McClain, Dez Bryant, Tony Romo and in the past Demarcus Ware, Jay Ratliff, Anthony Spencer, David LaFleur, etc.

For every Bob Sanders there are just as many small players who have been very durable: Drew Brees, Ronde Barber, Tiki Barber, Barry Sanders, Darren Sproles, Rocket Ismail, Steve Smith, Darrell Green, Thomas Everett, Sam Mills, etc. If weight is your criteria then you could also say that legendary LBs like Jack Lambert (6'4 220) and Ted Hendricks (6'7 220) were also too small.

Just don't want to draft scared or tunnel visioned. Draft playmakers despite measurements, depend on film. If Cowboys are going to gamble on injuries, then they should not be dismissive of size.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Drafting based on size is pure stupidity. Great players come in all sizes. Parcells Planet Theory is obsolete, Jimmy proved that. And there have been great players who are less than ideal height/weight: FS Earl Thomas, QB Russell Wilson, TE Delanie Walker, CB Darrell Green, LB Sam Mills, DE Elvis Dumervil, DT John Randle, DT Aaron Donald, SS Bob Sanders, LB Jatavis Brown, FS Tyrann Mathieu, SS Troy Polamalu, RB Darren Sproles, DE Bruce Irvin, FS Thomas Everett etc.

Agree or disagree if you look at the the way Dallas drafts DB, theuve always valued size.

 

[BAT]

If the tape measure says BB is 5'9 5/8, do you still like him this much?

Yes. But in 2nd or 3rd round. Still a steal. Baker is a playmaker, much better than Orlando Scandrick who is similar sized but less versatile and no where near the playmaker.

 

[BAT]

Agree or disagree if you look at the the way Dallas drafts DB, theuve always valued size.

Orlando Scandrick? Mo Claiborne? Terence Newman? Kenny Gant? Clayton Holmes? Alundis Brice? Omar Stoutmire? Dwayne Goodrich? Kareem Larrimore? BJ Tucker? Jamar Wall? Josh Thomas? BW Webb? Size only became an issue with Parcells. Tuna is not buying the groceries anymore. Or are you really saying that Cowboys would not have drafted Earl Thomas because he was 5'10?

 

[JBS]

Orlando Scandrick? Mo Claiborne? Terence Newman? Kenny Gant? Clayton Holmes? Alundis Brice? Omar Stoutmire? Dwayne Goodrich? Kareem Larrimore? BJ Tucker? Jamar Wall? Josh Thomas? BW Webb? Size only became an issue with Parcells. Tuna is not buying the groceries anymore. Or are you really saying that Cowboys would not have drafted Earl Thomas because he was 5'10?

Actually, Earl Thomas and Dez were our top 2 targets in the class...

 

[RS12]

Drafting based on size is pure stupidity. Great players come in all sizes. Parcells Planet Theory is obsolete, Jimmy proved that. And there have been great players who are less than ideal height/weight: FS Earl Thomas, QB Russell Wilson, TE Delanie Walker, CB Darrell Green, LB Sam Mills, DE Elvis Dumervil, DT John Randle, DT Aaron Donald, SS Bob Sanders, LB Jatavis Brown, FS Tyrann Mathieu, SS Troy Polamalu, RB Darren Sproles, DE Bruce Irvin, FS Thomas Everett etc.

You forget one who played here that was pretty good, Thomas Everett 5:9 190.

 

[RomoFor6]

This guy highlight real is something else, he's like a clone of Bob Sanders and Jairus Byrd

 

[Denim Chicken]

Orlando Scandrick? Mo Claiborne? Terence Newman? Kenny Gant? Clayton Holmes? Alundis Brice? Omar Stoutmire? Dwayne Goodrich? Kareem Larrimore? BJ Tucker? Jamar Wall? Josh Thomas? BW Webb? Size only became an issue with Parcells. Tuna is not buying the groceries anymore. Or are you really saying that Cowboys would not have drafted Earl Thomas because he was 5'10?

My bad, I think I was getting DBs confused with their WR tendencies.

 

[xwalker]

Drafting based on size is pure stupidity. Great players come in all sizes. Parcells Planet Theory is obsolete, Jimmy proved that. And there have been great players who are less than ideal height/weight: FS Earl Thomas, QB Russell Wilson, TE Delanie Walker, CB Darrell Green, LB Sam Mills, DE Elvis Dumervil, DT John Randle, DT Aaron Donald, SS Bob Sanders, LB Jatavis Brown, FS Tyrann Mathieu, SS Troy Polamalu, RB Darren Sproles, DE Bruce Irvin, FS Thomas Everett etc.

A lot of the players on your list are not good examples.
Earl Thomas weighed 208 pounds when drafted.
Walker is basically a 240 pound receiver
Dumerville weighed about 260
Randle and Donald weighed about 290
Bob Sanders was too small to hold up to the rigors of playing in the NFL
Polamalu was 207 pounds.
Sproles has never started more than 6 games in a season.
Bruce Irvin is a LB that has been used a pass rush specialist at DE. He is 6-3, 250 which is bigger than average at LB.

Tyrann Mathieu is the best example. He is well below both the average height AND weight of an NFL Safety at 5-9, 186.

Budda Baker can probably be a good NFL Safety, but durability would be the biggest issue. His size is probably very similar to Mathieu who is a FS. Projecting Baker to SS seems like a problem.

 

[Alexander]

too short, Dallas wont draft him.

Don't care that he makes plays. Not SPARQy enough.

 

[BAT]

You forget one who played here that was pretty good, Thomas Everett 5:9 190.

Yep. And didn't forget, last name on that list.

 

[BAT]

A lot of the players on your list are not good examples.
Earl Thomas weighed 208 pounds when drafted.
Walker is basically a 240 pound receiver
Dumerville weighed about 260
Randle and Donald weighed about 290
Bob Sanders was too small to hold up to the rigors of playing in the NFL
Polamalu was 207 pounds.
Sproles has never started more than 6 games in a season.
Bruce Irvin is a LB that has been used a pass rush specialist at DE. He is 6-3, 250 which is bigger than average at LB.

Tyrann Mathieu is the best example. He is well below both the average height AND weight of an NFL Safety at 5-9, 186.

Budda Baker can probably be a good NFL Safety, but durability would be the biggest issue. His size is probably very similar to Mathieu who is a FS. Projecting Baker to SS seems like a problem.

I was responding to poster who stated that HEIGHT was Cowboys primary preference for DBs, not SIZE.

 

[ctrous25]

too short, Dallas wont draft him.

BB was saying on the draft show that Will McClay hates drafting shorter DBs

 

[BAT]

Seattle was good because they could cover and rush the passer. You don't need big hitters in the secondary with the way the game is played now. Covering, tackling and playing the ball are much bigger priorities than someone who lights people up.

I'll pass that on to Chancellor, Sherman and the Hawks' LBs.