Building Through The Draft

[xwalker]

I've been on record for over a year now saying the Cowboys don't need 10 rookies this year. Trade up and get better players.

7-8 better players > 10 draft picks.

The odds of those 6th and 7th rounders making the 53 are very very slim.

They could trade all of their 4th round and later picks and it would get them from #19 to #17.

 

[DanA]

I don't remember exactly who went where but I know that we got Dak as a compo pick and then Fraizer, Anthony Brown and Rico Gathers all in that 6th round range so the compo picks are important and worth something.

 

[Melonfeud]

They could trade all of their 4th round and later picks and it would get them from #19 to #17.

Which is pretty much equivalent to our #19 snagging that stunner of a GAME sealing T.D. catch in the meaningless end of season game play against Philly,heh?

(Cripes, man! as detestable of the concept of losing to the Eagles is, that resides within me,,,that final game against them should've been conducted with the long term goal concerning the stratagerum of fielding better first string front line fighters capable of defeating their 3rd string spines,,,,SHEESE)

 

[CF74]

I've been on record for over a year now saying the Cowboys don't need 10 rookies this year. Trade up and get better players.

7-8 better players > 10 draft picks.

The odds of those 6th and 7th rounders making the 53 are very very slim.

The likelihood of 7-8 draft picks panning out is low, typically if you hit on three, you had a good draft, 4-5 would be a coup, 7-8 would be a Christmas Miracle....

 

[unionjack8]

No we have to get younger through the draft even if the players we draft suck but at the same time sign every old injured free agent that becomes available This is the only way we will get better

You're becoming tiresome.....do you just cut and paste the same post over and over.

 

[tm1119]

I think people need to stop acting like the NFL works the same way as the MLB or NBA. Prolonged success is rare and pretty much only happens with a top 5 QB.
It’s a year to year league. Way too many variables in the NFL, anything can happen. That’s why it’s important to put the best possible team on the field every year. The cowboys willingly punted this past season season as far as I’m concerned. Their off season moves didn’t look like a team trying to improve and win to me.

Of course having a front office with a grasp on how to utilize cap space would also be very helpful...

 

[visionary]

The draft is 1/3 of the strategy that should be used to build a roster.
Free agency and trades are the other two.
You have to be smart about all 3.
Making stupid F.A. decisions doesn't mean F.A. is not an important part of team building.
The team that drafts well, makes good F.A. acquisitions and smart trades wins the prize.
It really is that simple.

If you are bad at FA and trading it means that you have incompetent people making those decisions.

If you can't make trades and are not aware of what the options are, it is because you have part time GMs who are more interested in putting on concerts and other events at the stadium

The answer is not to completely sit out of these options, it is to hire full time competent whose full time job is ONLY AND ONLY to make the team better

Will never happen with moron and sons owning this franchise unfortunately

But remember "Jerry is a great owner"

 

[Montanalo]

If you are bad at FA and trading it means that you have incompetent people making those decisions.

If you can't make trades and are not aware of what the options are, it is because you have part time GMs who are more interested in putting on concerts and other events at the stadium

The answer is not to completely sit out of these options, it is to hire full time competent whose full time job is ONLY AND ONLY to make the team better

Will never happen with moron and sons owning this franchise unfortunately

But remember "Jerry is a great owner"

You bring up an interesting point about a "part-time" GM. I fall into the category of building through the draft and supplementing through trades and free agent acquistion. At one point, the Cowboys were more active in trades and acquisitions. We backed away from the splashy, high-priced acquisitions in favor of a low end to middle of the road approach. My guess is that this was driven more by the cost than the actual player acquired.

Serious question: just who is working the phones? Who is looking for trades?

It sure seems in Cowboy land, the pendulum swings from one extreme to another. If I was an opposing GM looking for a trade partner, my first call would be Jerry, hoping he would overpay.

 

[kskboys]

You bring up an interesting point about a "part-time" GM. I fall into the category of building through the draft and supplementing through trades and free agent acquistion. At one point, the Cowboys were more active in trades and acquisitions. We backed away from the splashy, high-priced acquisitions in favor of a low end to middle of the road approach. My guess is that this was driven more by the cost than the actual player acquired.

Serious question: just who is working the phones? Who is looking for trades?

It sure seems in Cowboy land, the pendulum swings from one extreme to another. If I was an opposing GM looking for a trade partner, my first call would be Jerry, hoping he would overpay.

Low end/middle FA's are fine if you have someone correctly evaluating. You're simply not going to improve or fill areas of need by signing the Nolan Carroll's and Byron Bell's of the league. Both of those guys have sucked their entire career. Who in hades were we listening to that didn't know that? I did, and I make no pretense of being anywhere near as knowledgeable as a good GM should be. So how did I and a host of others know this, but they did not?

 

[Stash]

Low end/middle FA's are fine if you have someone correctly evaluating. You're simply not going to improve or fill areas of need by signing the Nolan Carroll's and Byron Bell's of the league. Both of those guys have sucked their entire career. Who in hades were we listening to that didn't know that? I did, and I make no pretense of being anywhere near as knowledgeable as a good GM should be. So how did I and a host of others know this, but they did not?

Jason Garrett's brother Judd has been "Director of Pro Scouting" while we signed guys like Nolan Carroll and Cedric Thornton. The job involves scouting players from the other 31 teams. Like his brother, it looks like he was also given a job he was never qualified for.

The Cowboys made a change and now Alex Loomis has been put in charge of Pro Scouting. We can only hope our results change.

 

[JustChip]

I think people need to stop acting like the NFL works the same way as the MLB or NBA. Prolonged success is rare and pretty much only happens with a top 5 QB.
It’s a year to year league. Way too many variables in the NFL, anything can happen. That’s why it’s important to put the best possible team on the field every year. The cowboys willingly punted this past season season as far as I’m concerned. Their off season moves didn’t look like a team trying to improve and win to me.

Of course having a front office with a grasp on how to utilize cap space would also be very helpful...

I don't think they consciously decided not to improve the team. Me thinks they actually do what way too many do when some aging vet becomes available - they looked at the team after the 2016 season through best-case glasses. Zeke wouldn't get suspended, Dak would repeat his rookie success, Tyron wouldn't get hurt, Green would perform near what he had in the past, etc. The problem is that best-case NEVER, or at least is highly unlikely. That's part of the reason for the NFL being year-to-year. Things come together for a team at a moment in time, it just clicks and they go on a run. It's one of the reasons no team has repeated as NFCE Champ since 2k4 and no Super Bowl lose has returned the following year in a long while. NE is obviously different, but then they have a generational, if not historical, combination at HC and QB.

 

[kskboys]

I don't think they consciously decided not to improve the team. Me thinks they actually do what way too many do when some aging vet becomes available - they looked at the team after the 2016 season through best-case glasses. Zeke wouldn't get suspended, Dak would repeat his rookie success, Tyron wouldn't get hurt, Green would perform near what he had in the past, etc. The problem is that best-case NEVER, or at least is highly unlikely. That's part of the reason for the NFL being year-to-year. Things come together for a team at a moment in time, it just clicks and they go on a run. It's one of the reasons no team has repeated as NFCE Champ since 2k4 and no Super Bowl lose has returned the following year in a long while. NE is obviously different, but then they have a generational, if not historical, combination at HC and QB.

And that's the problem w/ having a part time GM. As an NFL team, you are always looking to improve. We don't seem to understand that. Evidence the 09 and 10 drafts. Sam Young, yup, he was the answer for an aging OL!!!

 

[darthseinfeld]

Just starting the discussion.

There is plenty of time to play going forward.

Just read this article and then go about the team's current direction.

https://the-cauldron.com/which-nfl-...rough-the-draft-do-they-win-more-1482d977f8fe

I think about it this way. A successfull draft brings in 3 starters. And amazing draft, 4.

You have 22 starters

Our philosophy doesn't add up

 

[kskboys]

Jason Garrett's brother Judd has been "Director of Pro Scouting" while we signed guys like Nolan Carroll and Cedric Thornton. The job involves scouting players from the other 31 teams. Like his brother, it looks like he was also given a job he was never qualified for.

The Cowboys made a change and now Alex Loomis has been put in charge of Pro Scouting. We can only hope our results change.

Thornton, another signing that made no sense. We signed a guy to play NT who does not have the requisite build.

 

[diefree666]

The smart thing for a GM to do is to look at the consistent winners in the league; in this case the Pats, Steelers, Packers. Analise what they do. Pick out the best that each team does and then use that as your template to craft an overall plan at acquiring talent.

Our way seems as much throwing at a dart board as anything else. As long as the dart does not cost too much.

 

[visionary]

You bring up an interesting point about a "part-time" GM. I fall into the category of building through the draft and supplementing through trades and free agent acquistion. At one point, the Cowboys were more active in trades and acquisitions. We backed away from the splashy, high-priced acquisitions in favor of a low end to middle of the road approach. My guess is that this was driven more by the cost than the actual player acquired.

Serious question: just who is working the phones? Who is looking for trades?

It sure seems in Cowboy land, the pendulum swings from one extreme to another. If I was an opposing GM looking for a trade partner, my first call would be Jerry, hoping he would overpay.

Putting in the work that results in winning consistently is not in the Jones DNA

They will be happy to do something splashy to appease fans and to put themselves in the limelight (for brand recognition) but they are not in the business of grinding it out to make the little moves that improves the team and makes it a consistent contender

 

[kskboys]

The smart thing for a GM to do is to look at the consistent winners in the league; in this case the Pats, Steelers, Packers. Analise what they do. Pick out the best that each team does and then use that as your template to craft an overall plan at acquiring talent.

Our way seems as much throwing at a dart board as anything else. As long as the dart does not cost too much.

Problem is, when we do that we don't understand what it is that makes them winners. The Pats always take care of both the O and Dline, but Jerry sees the TE's and won't quit drafting them. He wants another Gronk. Gronk runs a 4.5, is agile and quick, and is a freak. Jerry takes a slow guy who can't block to find the next Gronk. Meanwhile, the Pats play in 8 championship games in a row and always have like 40 2nd round picks. And always have an OL that can protect his QB. Jerry states that you don't need a good OL if your QB is mobile.

 

[Alexander]

The Cowboys made a change and now Alex Loomis has been put in charge of Pro Scouting. We can only hope our results change.

Loomis has been there since last June, I believe. It does not appear that much has changed.

 

[Alexander]

Thornton, another signing that made no sense. We signed a guy to play NT who does not have the requisite build.

Well, like Stephen Jones said.

"You're trying to project them from one system to the other. That can be difficult."

This talent acquisition thing is hard, folks.

 

[Alexander]

They could trade all of their 4th round and later picks and it would get them from #19 to #17.

These trading fantasies keep getting repeated by fans and it is pathetic.

The comp picks offer very little in terms of draft collateral to move where it matters.

My favorite one is where people think Dallas uses the comp picks in the fourth and fifth round to get another third rounder.

I am quite positive the other 31 teams drafting were not born yesterday to take that kind of deal.

These comp picks might at best, be used to specifically target players within the round they are in. They are not valuable enough to use to "buy" a third.