News: Building through the draft

[john van brocklin]

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...-cap-situation-2022-free-agents-stephen-jones


...We may be tired of listening to Stephen Jones talk about building this team through the draft, but make no mistake about it, that’s exactly what they’re doing. Credit Will McClay and company for doing a remarkable job of not only finding new stars in the draft, but also collecting several reliable starters. Just look at the last four-year rookie cycle and see how many players they have drafted who have had meaningful contributions.

That’s a total of 18 players over four years. And if you include Trysten Hill and Jabril Cox, who have each missed time due to injury, that equates to 20 different draft picks the team has gotten use from. That averages out to five new players each draft. That’s remarkable!

Our one area where we shine!

 

[john van brocklin]

The problem is the entire class of 2018 is entering free agency and the Cowboys will probably not retain any of them. This is the problem will building through the draft alone. By the time you draft 20 players 25% of them will leave via free agency. You never really get there. But if you draft well for 3 years and then fill holes with free agents, then you can put a championship product on the field.

Would be a better business model

 

[john van brocklin]

I think this group was not bad, I liked a lot of what I saw with Brett Urban and when he was in the lineup prior to getting injured Cowboys did not allow a 100 yard RB, after he was injured that changed. I like what I saw in Watkins and I like what I was seeing from Hooker. People may not like it but I think given the cap situation that Cowboys are not going on a big time shopping spree for high priced FA.

This year was a banner year for our dumpster diving free agency binge.
Past years not so much.

 

[Typhus]

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...-cap-situation-2022-free-agents-stephen-jones


...We may be tired of listening to Stephen Jones talk about building this team through the draft, but make no mistake about it, that’s exactly what they’re doing. Credit Will McClay and company for doing a remarkable job of not only finding new stars in the draft, but also collecting several reliable starters. Just look at the last four-year rookie cycle and see how many players they have drafted who have had meaningful contributions.

That’s a total of 18 players over four years. And if you include Trysten Hill and Jabril Cox, who have each missed time due to injury, that equates to 20 different draft picks the team has gotten use from. That averages out to five new players each draft. That’s remarkable!

WM starting to actually influence finally after years of doing his job.
Finally his draft board is being trusted.
How long have we known this about Bob?

 

[Doomsday101]

This year was a banner year for our dumpster diving free agency binge.
Past years not so much.

Some what we hit on Terrell Owens, Robert Quinn, Randell Cobb, Joe Looney and there have been others as well. I have also seen people scream to get a player and that player ends up being a high dollar FA bust that had we signed him Jerry would have been called an idiot for signing him to a high dollar contract. Earl Thomas comes to mind. I don't see Cowboys changing that much in terms of looking to the draft to build and using mid level FA to come in and fill holes.

Frankly for me the biggest disagreements I have had with Jones in the past is giving up 2 1st rd draft picks in trades like we did with Roy Williams

 

[fivetwos]

This year was a banner year for our dumpster diving free agency binge.
Past years not so much.

Yep, past years have been so bad that this last one looked great.

That only reinforces the plan.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Then again, it could be an indictment on their inability to sign good veteran free agents due to their cap restraints stemming from poor contracts management.

Some of these players saw significant playing time because, quite frankly, they didn't have anyone better.

The results of these players participation over the last four seasons is not impressive, 36-29 with a 1-2 playoff record.

Now the 2018 players are eligible unrestricted free agents. You can't build anything if you don't have the cap resources to keep what you built.

Dallas should hire the rams salary cap guru. Have no idea how they have all those guys on one team.

 

[Sydla]

and I think you can find some decent players to help fill voids and put into the rotation on defense. Primary means to get talent will still fall to the draft

And yet for 25 years we haven't sniffed a title due to flawed rosters and bad coaches.

Whatever the Cowboys are doing in FA, especially lately, isn't working. But this year, they have no choice given their cap situation. They have no options but to bottom feed. I am pretty sure unless they just nail the draft and end up with a Parsons type or two (guys that can come in and play right away and make an impact), this will be a less talented team in 2022 than the 2021 version.

 

[Doomsday101]

And yet for 25 years we haven't sniffed a title due to flawed rosters and bad coaches.

Whatever the Cowboys are doing in FA, especially lately, isn't working. But this year, they have no choice given their cap situation. They have no options but to bottom feed. I am pretty sure unless they just nail the draft and end up with a Parsons type or two (guys that can come in and play right away and make an impact), this will be a less talented team in 2022 than the 2021 version.

I don't consider these guys as bottom feeders. kearse in no way shape or form looks like a bottom feeder. Urban got injured but prior to him going down no RB put up 100 yards rushing with him in the lineup. Running out and paying big money for a FA is in no way shape or form some guarantee and in many instance the player never lives up to the contract. People whine about DLaw he got the money and now look, well same crap happens with many high dollar FA you get outside, guys get the money and never live up to it.

 

[Sydla]

I don't consider these guys as bottom feeders. kearse in no way shape or form looks like a bottom feeder. Urban got injured but prior to him going down no RB put up 100 yards rushing with him in the lineup. Running out and paying big money for a FA is in no way shape or form some guarantee and in many instance the player never lives up to the contract. People whine about DLaw he got the money and now look, well same crap happens with many high dollar FA you get outside, guys get the money and never live up to it.

Kearse was a bottom feeder signing that worked out for them. But make no mistake, he was a bottom of the barrel signing. Typically, these kind of signings don't work out for them. Urban? He's a JAG. Expecting him to be anything more than that ignores what Urban has done to date in this league.

Again, there is a wide chasm between spending big money and hitting the bargain bin in FA.

 

[Doomsday101]

Kearse was a bottom feeder signing that worked out for them. But make no mistake, he was a bottom of the barrel signing. Typically, these kind of signings don't work out for them. Urban? He's a JAG. Expecting him to be anything more than that ignores what Urban has done to date in this league.

Again, there is a wide chasm between spending big money and hitting the bargain bin in FA.

That is your opinion. I think those guys felt they have a lot more to prove than a high dollar FA. People constantly complain about paying big dollars and player never living up to it, it is no different bringing in high dollar FA. He got his money and often times does not work out.

 

[Sydla]

That is your opinion. I think those guys felt they have a lot more to prove than a high dollar FA. People constantly complain about paying big dollars and player never living up to it, it is no different bringing in high dollar FA. He got his money and often times does not work out.

Again, there is a wide chasm between spending a ton on FAs and signing a bunch of guys to cheap, 1 or 2 year deals. There are few here asking the Cowboys to go into FA and then sign 2 or 3 of the highest priced FAs.

And the proof is in the results. The Cowboys haven't sniffed a NFC Title game in 25 years. And a big reason for that is their roster construction that involves how they build using FA.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I don't consider these guys as bottom feeders. kearse in no way shape or form looks like a bottom feeder. Urban got injured but prior to him going down no RB put up 100 yards rushing with him in the lineup. Running out and paying big money for a FA is in no way shape or form some guarantee and in many instance the player never lives up to the contract. People whine about DLaw he got the money and now look, well same crap happens with many high dollar FA you get outside, guys get the money and never live up to it.

OK, not so much bottom feeders, however, over the past couple of years the CAP limitations have meant we don't have a choice and left with the recuperation projects or the JAGs hoping for the legendary lightening in a bottle.... even this off season we CAN manage to accumulate $40m, but would need to fill starting: DE, WRx2, LBx2, G, NT and FS...let alone back ups.
Other threads have mentioned Jensen as an upgrade at C....that would cost either 1/4 of our vailable CAP.

 

[Doomsday101]

Again, there is a wide chasm between spending a ton on FAs and signing a bunch of guys to cheap, 1 or 2 year deals. There are few here asking the Cowboys to go into FA and then sign 2 or 3 of the highest priced FAs.

And the proof is in the results. The Cowboys haven't sniffed a NFC Title game in 25 years. And a big reason for that is their roster construction that involves how they build using FA.

everything is a big reason for that. People start grabbing for straws to figure things out. Only if we do this can we be successful. I don't buy it. Already people point to the Rams and say this is how you do it, you trade every damn draft pick you have to build a team. Next year there will be another SB team and people will say that is how you do it. Talent wise I think Cowboys had as much talent as any of these teams, they all have certain strengths and weakness

 

[CowboyoWales]

everything is a big reason for that. People start grabbing for straws to figure things out. Only if we do this can we be successful. I don't buy it. Already people point to the Rams and say this is how you do it, you trade every damn draft pick you have to build a team. Next year there will be another SB team and people will say that is how you do it. Talent wise I think Cowboys had as much talent as any of these teams, they all have certain strengths and weakness

Yep, the big difference between the Rams and ourselves is that we've already gone 'all-in' to get here and I doubt that we'd have the CAP to go along with the draft picks to make the Rams deals.
I suppose we have to find our own solution to our maxed out credit card I'm a fan of the reset (Coop and DLaw exit) as this at least resets quickly ....yes it will hurts in 2022 but we'll come out of it with a manageable CAP in 2023.
Our situation is, as many have said, made worse as we're tempted by a poor East....unfortunately, some of us saw the defeat to the 6th seed at home and accepted that realistically we aren't going to compete with this collective of elite contracts.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep, the big difference between the Rams and ourselves is that we've already gone 'all-in' to get here and I doubt that we'd have the CAP to go along with the draft picks to make the Rams deals.
I suppose we have to find our own solution to our maxed out credit card I'm a fan of the reset (Coop and DLaw exit) as this at least resets quickly ....yes it will hurts in 2022 but we'll come out of it with a manageable CAP in 2023.
Our situation is, as many have said, made worse as we're tempted by a poor East....unfortunately, some of us saw the defeat to the 6th seed at home and accepted that realistically we aren't going to compete with this collective of elite contracts.

and if they do not win the SB? No doubt rams took a chance, going after Stafford who has won nothing up to this point and will soon be a FA, they got Von Miller who will be a FA after the season. If they lose this game then crash and burn next season, no one will give a damn about it how they gave up picks, they will be screaming why they have no picks and no players because of the trade. In a what have you done for me lately league.

 

[Sydla]

everything is a big reason for that. People start grabbing for straws to figure things out. Only if we do this can we be successful. I don't buy it. Already people point to the Rams and say this is how you do it, you trade every damn draft pick you have to build a team. Next year there will be another SB team and people will say that is how you do it. Talent wise I think Cowboys had as much talent as any of these teams, they all have certain strengths and weakness

Again, there is a massive chasm between the bottom feeding we do and what the Rams have done. Why you keep making it one or the other is peculiar.

 

[Doomsday101]

Again, there is a massive chasm between the bottom feeding we do and what the Rams have done. Why you keep making it one or the other is peculiar.

Rams traded for players, they got Stafford because of a trade and will soon have to deal with him in FA, Von Miller Trade and again FA after this season, Ramsey again trade, these were not FA pickups this cost draft picks and high dollar salaries that go along with those players. Major chasm between FA pick ups and high dollar players that you have to give up top picks to get. If Rams fail to win this SB they have 0 to bring in talent as they too are pushed up against the cap.

 

[CowboyoWales]

and if they do not win the SB? No doubt rams took a chance, going after Stafford who has won nothing up to this point and will soon be a FA, they got Von Miller who will be a FA after the season. If they lose this game then crash and burn next season, no one will give a damn about it how they gave up picks, they will be screaming why they have no picks and no players because of the trade. In a what have you done for me lately league.

Agree that there are many ways to approach winning. There's no ready made formula and we just haven't the available CAP to do what the Rams did.
Our situation and the DLaw/ Coop scenario in particular needs to be looked at with a dispassionate objectivity of whether we can win it all (or even a Championship) in 2022. For me the DLaw question is that (as well as contract) he's not an out and out pass rusher when our whole defense should imo be set on pass rush, hurry QB and utilising Diggs Int rate.
If the FO has managed to make Jerry appreciate or at least acknowledge CAP difficulties knowing his obsession with winning another SB then the immediate problem must be a problem

 

[Doomsday101]

Agree that there are many ways to approach winning. There's no ready made formula and we just haven't the available CAP to do what the Rams did.
Our situation and the DLaw/ Coop scenario in particular needs to be looked at with a dispassionate objectivity of whether we can win it all (or even a Championship) in 2022. For me the DLaw question is that (as well as contract) he's not an out and out pass rusher when our whole defense should imo be set on pass rush, hurry QB and utilising Diggs Int rate.
If the FO has managed to make Jerry appreciate or at least acknowledge CAP difficulties knowing his obsession with winning another SB then the immediate problem must be a problem

I think DLaw will be released and likely Cooper as well. Only thing that could save Cooper is age and fewer injuries than DLaw. However in the end I think it is pretty likely both will be cap casualties.