Burwell: Garrett Isn't Ready for Prime Time

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jobberone;2573866 said:
You can't blame everything on Wade or Jerry. My GUESS is that Jason runs the offense and Wade the defense.

So how can you fault either for not having control? There has to be one place where the buck stops. The fact we apparently do not have that in place is absolutely Jerry Jones' responsibility.
 

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It does seema bit odd that Garrett is so eager to interview for a head coaching job rather than focusing on the poor job he did for the Cowboys. He certainly didn't maximize the talent he was given. And he also didn't earn the money as the league's highest paid coordinator.

And yet, rather than focusing on improving and correcting the offense in Dallas and earning the money and faith that Jerry Jones has given him, he's interviewing for head coaching jobs elsewhere.

Doesn't strike me as an ideal situation no matter which 'side of the fence' you're on.

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stasheroo;2573984 said:
It does seema bit odd that Garrett is so eager to interview for a head coaching job rather than focusing on the poor job he did for the Cowboys. He certainly didn't maximize the talent he was given. And he also didn't earn the money as the league's highest paid coordinator.

And yet, rather than focusing on improving and correcting the offense in Dallas and earning the money and faith that Jerry Jones has given him, he's interviewing for head coaching jobs elsewhere.

Doesn't strike me as an ideal situation no matter which 'side of the fence' you're on.

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Or like people stuck with a bad boss they start bailing and looking for an exit. Think about that if you know the HC is going to run the same circus as last year and you know you will have to go somewhere else and reinvent yourself so you bail now while your still the sexy blonde
 

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stasheroo;2573984 said:
It does seema bit odd that Garrett is so eager to interview for a head coaching job rather than focusing on the poor job he did for the Cowboys. He certainly didn't maximize the talent he was given. And he also didn't earn the money as the league's highest paid coordinator.

And yet, rather than focusing on improving and correcting the offense in Dallas and earning the money and faith that Jerry Jones has given him, he's interviewing for head coaching jobs elsewhere.

Doesn't strike me as an ideal situation no matter which 'side of the fence' you're on.

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Because he did what most any other coach would have done? He was asked to come in for an interview and he did so it is foolish not to. Ernie Saunter said he always regretted turning down interviews because when you do it teams tend to pass you by down the line as job openings become available. To pretend to know what the future holds in Dallas or any other job would be naïve on Garrett’s part
 

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stasheroo;2573984 said:
It does seema bit odd that Garrett is so eager to interview for a head coaching job rather than focusing on the poor job he did for the Cowboys. He certainly didn't maximize the talent he was given. And he also didn't earn the money as the league's highest paid coordinator.

And yet, rather than focusing on improving and correcting the offense in Dallas and earning the money and faith that Jerry Jones has given him, he's interviewing for head coaching jobs elsewhere.

Doesn't strike me as an ideal situation no matter which 'side of the fence' you're on.

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You gotta dance when they ask you, or they won't ask you.

The article is really bad, but in particular, the part about Jerry Jones trying to pawn off his trash this year cracks me up. Garrett's doing nothing different this offseason than he did last offseason. Looking at his options, but content in the position he's in. I don't see how to fault a guy for that.
 

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iceberg;2573745 said:
that's the most frustrating part of a forum like this. it can fill up with people who only know what they see. vision and planning they can yell about, but they never do it. just yell at those who do.

garrett *is* a young coach. SURPRISE! anyone not know this when we had to lock him up after 1 good year? then 1 bad year he's worthless. it doesn't work that way. not when that bad year should also be considered an "investment" into the future.

but many fans see bad, think it will always be bad. must have new people to get change. so if we cut garrett now they're happy.

now.

then he goes off somewhere and enjoys success from his work and suddenly jones is an idiot for letting him go.

some fans are never going to be happy. period.

garrett should be learning somewhere. here, thankfully. i'm not ready to give up on a valid long term plan because of 1 rough year. i'm definately not ready to become "snyders team".


Good points Ice.... and I agree.

Keep him here.... he'll be fine!
 

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What exactly has Garrett done to prove he can do it any better than anyone else? The offense had a good year in '07, but it did in '06 without him as well.

It shouldn't escape anyone's notice that Sparano was here in '06 & '07 when the offense was very good, but not '08, when it wasn't.

Garrett has proven virtually nothing. So hold on to him because he might do better elsewhere? Anyone could've said the same about Bruce Read or any other coach that's been here. It's a ridiculous argument. By that logic, we'd never let go of anyone.

Fact is Garrett isn't going to get any of these jobs. No decently-ran organization would touch him as a HC. The ONLY reason Garrett has the job he has is because of Jerry Jones' fanciful loyalty and sentimism for the 90's, and that Jones probably gets along well with him. Who better to have around to knock back a beer and talk about the 90s than one of the players from those teams?

What amazes me is the ability of the homer fan to completely shut out everything that's happened with this team. 12 years of failure, but "hey, let's keep everything the same". "We're making progress," after all.

Yet Joe Fan ignores that a very talented team didn't even make the playoffs, in spite of a huge money advantage over much of the league. Some fans say they have confidence in a guy who "might" be a good head coach some day (in spite of the obvious horrible job he did this season), and make excuses for the Hostess Twinkie we have as a head coach now, even though he has a proven track record of mediocrity and playoff failure.

Keep sending Jerry Jones your $. The more tickets and jerseys you buy just further ensures that Jones will continue to operate the way he has for most of the last 15 years.

Over a decade of failure and still counting....but let's not change anything. Amazing.
 

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Double Trouble;2574050 said:
What exactly has Garrett done to prove he can do it any better than anyone else? The offense had a good year in '07, but it did in '06 without him as well.

It shouldn't escape anyone's notice that Sparano was here in '06 & '07 when the offense was very good, but not '08, when it wasn't.

Garrett has proven virtually nothing. So hold on to him because he might do better elsewhere? Anyone could've said the same about Bruce Read or any other coach that's been here. It's a ridiculous argument. By that logic, we'd never let go of anyone.

Fact is Garrett isn't going to get any of these jobs. No decently-ran organization would touch him as a HC. The ONLY reason Garrett has the job he has is because of Jerry Jones' fanciful loyalty and sentimism for the 90's, and that Jones probably gets along well with him. Who better to have around to knock back a beer and talk about the 90s than one of the players from those teams?

What amazes me is the ability of the homer fan to completely shut out everything that's happened with this team. 12 years of failure, but "hey, let's keep everything the same". "We're making progress," after all.

Yet Joe Fan ignores that a very talented team didn't even make the playoffs, in spite of a huge money advantage over much of the league. Some fans say they have confidence in a guy who "might" be a good head coach some day (in spite of the obvious horrible job he did this season), and make excuses for the Hostess Twinkie we have as a head coach now, even though he has a proven track record of mediocrity and playoff failure.

Keep sending Jerry Jones your $. The more tickets and jerseys you buy just further ensures that Jones will continue to operate the way he has for most of the last 15 years.

Over a decade of failure and still counting....but let's not change anything. Amazing.

Fact is this is your opinion nothing more
 

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I smiled a lot because most NFL wise guys I've talked to say that those are four solid football men, four proven leaders of men.

I hate that phrase. Just say "four proven leaders" instead. It's not like the reader would think that Leslie Frazier was a great leader of sheep if it wasn't pointed out to us.
 

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stasheroo;2573984 said:
It does seema bit odd that Garrett is so eager to interview for a head coaching job rather than focusing on the poor job he did for the Cowboys.

Yes, he should just sit and brood about this past year's failures and ignore other opportunities.:rolleyes:

Have you never been in a job where things were stacked against you and wanted out?

He certainly didn't maximize the talent he was given. And he also didn't earn the money as the league's highest paid coordinator.

He also was stripped of the luxury of support he had last season. I am willing to say he is smart enough to improve. I doubt he is simply getting out because he knows he can't. It is a tall order. I would not wish this disjointed culture with this team on anyone, even if the man is grossly overpaid. That's not really his fault either.

And yet, rather than focusing on improving and correcting the offense in Dallas and earning the money and faith that Jerry Jones has given him, he's interviewing for head coaching jobs elsewhere.

Who is to say Jones has given him everything he needed? I doubt Jones holds him to same sort of "earn the pay" standard that we appear to be doing.

Doesn't strike me as an ideal situation no matter which 'side of the fence' you're on.

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You are right about that. Ugly, very ugly.
 

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Double Trouble;2574050 said:
make excuses for the Hostess Twinkie we have as a head coach now

I disagree. If he is a snack cake from the Hostess family of foods, he is undoubtedly a Ding Dong.
 

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Doomsday101;2574053 said:
Fact is this is your opinion nothing more
Unfortunately, most of it isn't opinion.

We did, in fact, miss the playoffs this year. We do - in fact - have a big financial advantage over many teams in the NFL. We haven't - in fact - been to the SB since '95, and haven't won a playoff game since '96.

Wade Phillips hasn't, in fact, ever won a playoff game.

It's heavy on fact and light on opinion, except to the over-optimistic homer fan who thinks that a bunch of guys with a history of failure will magically change and start to succeed, and who hopes against hope that Jason Garrett isn't a hack who's in completely over his head.
 

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stasheroo;2573984 said:
It does seema bit odd that Garrett is so eager to interview for a head coaching job rather than focusing on the poor job he did for the Cowboys. He certainly didn't maximize the talent he was given. And he also didn't earn the money as the league's highest paid coordinator.

And yet, rather than focusing on improving and correcting the offense in Dallas and earning the money and faith that Jerry Jones has given him, he's interviewing for head coaching jobs elsewhere.

Doesn't strike me as an ideal situation no matter which 'side of the fence' you're on.

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it is an odd situation to be sure. but garrett should go out and look around. what fixing can he do "now" for next year? what if someone were to make him an offer and he had some choices in life? i think it's unfair to say garrett needs to hole up in an office from now till the start of the season working on fixing things while much is out of his hands right now.

i don't see romo working on routes with TO or roy williams, do i?
i don't see flo practicing to only go on valid snaps.

it's our off season and while it's odd to us at times to realize that, it still is and most coaches are off on their own time right now.

but if this is what you want garrett to do, what can he do to "fix it" now? it's one thing to call for it but follow it up for me so i can get where you're coming from here. what can he do? how do we also not know he *is* going through plays during the day and trying to come up with more? even if he is, how will that help execution when they're not running the right routes and you can't have them work on it till it's time?
 

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Double Trouble;2574050 said:
What exactly has Garrett done to prove he can do it any better than anyone else? The offense had a good year in '07, but it did in '06 without him as well.

It shouldn't escape anyone's notice that Sparano was here in '06 & '07 when the offense was very good, but not '08, when it wasn't.

Garrett has proven virtually nothing. So hold on to him because he might do better elsewhere? Anyone could've said the same about Bruce Read or any other coach that's been here. It's a ridiculous argument. By that logic, we'd never let go of anyone.

Fact is Garrett isn't going to get any of these jobs. No decently-ran organization would touch him as a HC. The ONLY reason Garrett has the job he has is because of Jerry Jones' fanciful loyalty and sentimism for the 90's, and that Jones probably gets along well with him. Who better to have around to knock back a beer and talk about the 90s than one of the players from those teams?

What amazes me is the ability of the homer fan to completely shut out everything that's happened with this team. 12 years of failure, but "hey, let's keep everything the same". "We're making progress," after all.

Yet Joe Fan ignores that a very talented team didn't even make the playoffs, in spite of a huge money advantage over much of the league. Some fans say they have confidence in a guy who "might" be a good head coach some day (in spite of the obvious horrible job he did this season), and make excuses for the Hostess Twinkie we have as a head coach now, even though he has a proven track record of mediocrity and playoff failure.

Keep sending Jerry Jones your $. The more tickets and jerseys you buy just further ensures that Jones will continue to operate the way he has for most of the last 15 years.

Over a decade of failure and still counting....but let's not change anything. Amazing.

Ok, you say that because Sparano was here in 07, Garrett can't really take credit for that year. If he could take credit for it then he would have proved something, but you say he hasn't. That means that you're judging Garrett's performance off of ONE season. ONE injury riddled season.

He's had 5 head coach interviews in the past 2 years. What, is there some new rule where teams have to interview red heads like they do minority candidates? A ginger rule, if you will? No, of course not, he gets interviews because he's respected around the league. Does the fact that he didn't get a job this year mean he's bad? No more than it proved that Mike Singletary was bad a couple years ago.

You know, I will keep sending Jerry Jones my money. I will keep buying jerseys and going to games. Feel free to stop and jump on the Cardinals bandwagon if you're so fed up with Jerry Jones.
 

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Often a fresh start is needed before anyone can truly change. When I was young I worked at a store and got promoted to assissant manager. While I was learning, I knew I had a lot to learn and so was not very forceful, decisive or effective. People under me knew me as that type of manager and any change to what I needed to become would not float very well there. It took switching to another store and new group of employees before I became what I think at least was a good manager.

I think Garrett might be in the same boat as I was. While he is here, he won't be able to come out of the shadow he has created while learning here to be a coordinator. It might take a switch to another team before any real leadership is shown by him.

For that reason alone, I'm hoping we can move on from him. Both for our sakes and his both.

Since we are probably stuck with him though, I sure hope I'm wrong and he evolves into what we need even with T.O. and others are here.
 

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Have I missed something factual to indicate that Jerry wants Garrett to leave?

Teams do not need permission to interview coaches for head coaching jobs provided they arent' under contract as the head coach.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Jones CAN'T block Garrett from interviewing for HC jobs.

Yet this isn't the first time its being painted that Jones wants Garrett gone. I suspecty this is more a product of the writer not being educated on the process than anything. But I wasn't sure if I'd missed the memo at some point.

As far as why Garrett would actually interview? It could be a number of very legitimate reasons including his willingness this year to actually take certain HC jobs if they were offered.

Lastly, the shine on the names of Ryan, Frazier and others this year will be only as deep as their next season.

Was Garrett ever really a genius? Probably not. Neither is he as dumb as some want to now believe. I think the whole thing is being a bit sensationalized.
 

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sad huh.


Double Trouble;2574050 said:
What exactly has Garrett done to prove he can do it any better than anyone else? The offense had a good year in '07, but it did in '06 without him as well.

It shouldn't escape anyone's notice that Sparano was here in '06 & '07 when the offense was very good, but not '08, when it wasn't.

Garrett has proven virtually nothing. So hold on to him because he might do better elsewhere? Anyone could've said the same about Bruce Read or any other coach that's been here. It's a ridiculous argument. By that logic, we'd never let go of anyone.

Fact is Garrett isn't going to get any of these jobs. No decently-ran organization would touch him as a HC. The ONLY reason Garrett has the job he has is because of Jerry Jones' fanciful loyalty and sentimism for the 90's, and that Jones probably gets along well with him. Who better to have around to knock back a beer and talk about the 90s than one of the players from those teams?

What amazes me is the ability of the homer fan to completely shut out everything that's happened with this team. 12 years of failure, but "hey, let's keep everything the same". "We're making progress," after all.

Yet Joe Fan ignores that a very talented team didn't even make the playoffs, in spite of a huge money advantage over much of the league. Some fans say they have confidence in a guy who "might" be a good head coach some day (in spite of the obvious horrible job he did this season), and make excuses for the Hostess Twinkie we have as a head coach now, even though he has a proven track record of mediocrity and playoff failure.

Keep sending Jerry Jones your $. The more tickets and jerseys you buy just further ensures that Jones will continue to operate the way he has for most of the last 15 years.

Over a decade of failure and still counting....but let's not change anything. Amazing.
 

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iceberg;2574074 said:
it is an odd situation to be sure. but garrett should go out and look around. what fixing can he do "now" for next year? what if someone were to make him an offer and he had some choices in life? i think it's unfair to say garrett needs to hole up in an office from now till the start of the season working on fixing things while much is out of his hands right now.

i don't see romo working on routes with TO or roy williams, do i?
i don't see flo practicing to only go on valid snaps.

it's our off season and while it's odd to us at times to realize that, it still is and most coaches are off on their own time right now.

but if this is what you want garrett to do, what can he do to "fix it" now? it's one thing to call for it but follow it up for me so i can get where you're coming from here. what can he do? how do we also not know he *is* going through plays during the day and trying to come up with more? even if he is, how will that help execution when they're not running the right routes and you can't have them work on it till it's time?

No, there's nothing he can do today to fix anything for next season.

But I would think that after the obvious struggles he had, he'd feel more of a sense of obligation to live up to the faith and finances that Jerry Jones invested in him.

Instead, he seems determined to jump to a head coaching job, any head coaching job considering the teams he's interviewing with.

I don't subscribe to the 'Wade Phillips' excuse for Garrett because I don't feel it existed. I think this team was split essentially down the middle with Garrett running the offense and Wade the defense. Wade simply got the added perk of being Jerry's mouthpiece.

But if Garrett wanted something on offense, he got it. And conversely if he didn't want something - or someone, they weren't around either. I think if Garrett wanted to discipline someone, he could have he simply chose not to or wasn't confident enough in himself to do so.

And if he's taking the 'rat deserting a sinking ship' approach, I wish him nothing but failure.
 

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masomenos85;2574080 said:
You know, I will keep sending Jerry Jones my money. I will keep buying jerseys and going to games. Feel free to stop and jump on the Cardinals bandwagon if you're so fed up with Jerry Jones.

If you're happy with the results you're getting, you have every right to spend your money any way you choose.

But those of us who aren't happy alos have that right.

And the best way to try to invoke change is to hit 'em where it counts - in this case the wallet.

That's the best way I can think of to voice my approval or disapproval.
 
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