Burwell: Garrett Isn't Ready for Prime Time

[Stash]

I think injuries play a part but not the only issue. However I don't think getting rid of the coaches is what will get the Cowboys back to post season I think sometimes the best thing management can do is stand by their people even when fans feel otherwise. I think Garrett does have a clue as to what needs to be done more so than any fan at this site who while they feel they have all the answerer do not.

It's a tough situation in all honesty.

We're all disappointed in how a season with such high expectations ended and we're each offering up answers as we see them.

No way to tell who's right or wrong at this point (other than me of course!)

As far as Garrett goes, in all honesty I'm not sure what the right course of action would be.

Therefore I'm not advocating keeping him or sending him packing but merely sitting back and watching what happens.

I honestly think he comes back and like any fan, I'll hope he and the team do well.

But this season has damaged a lot of people's faith in this team and that feeling is not going away any time soon.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's a tough situation in all honesty.

We're all disappointed in how a season with such high expectations ended and we're each offering up answers as we see them.

No way to tell who's right or wrong at this point (other than me of course!)

As far as Garrett goes, in all honesty I'm not sure what the right course of action would be.

Therefore I'm not advocating keeping him or sending him packing but merely sitting back and watching what happens.

I honestly think he comes back and like any fan, I'll hope he and the team do well.

But this season has damaged a lot of people's faith in this team and that feeling is not going away any time soon.

I understand and I understand disappointment but I think much of the disappointment has been accumulated over a period of time and being dumped on Wade and Jason who is only responsible for the last 2 years, 1 year of 13-3 and one of 9-7. My own view is I do think Garrett is a young and bright coach who like most coaches will have their share of highs and lows but good teams do not over react or cave into fans because frankly fans react too quick, hell Philly fans wanted Reid gone just a month ago and now that seems to have changed, good team give their staff a legit chance and in my opinion 2 years is not enough to give any staff a fair shot at getting the job done. I will say another season of disappointment may do the trick but I honestly feel that coaches should be give at least 3 years and if after that time the GM feels things are moving as they want then you extend the contract if not then you look to move in another direction

 

[Stash]

I understand and I understand disappointment but I think much of the disappointment has been accumulated over a period of time and being dumped on Wade and Jason who is only responsible for the last 2 years, 1 year of 13-3 and one of 9-7.

That's one way of looking at it. Another is to chart where the level of talent has gone in the past two years (up in my opinion) and look at the results achieved with that talent (down in my opinion).

The Phillips regime reminds me an awful lot of the Switzer regime. Fortunately, Switzer was able to ride the talent to a Super Bowl victory before his leniency allowed it to unravel. I don't see us getting that under Phillips.

My own view is I do think Garrett is a young and bright coach who like most coaches will have their share of highs and lows but good teams do not over react or cave into fans because frankly fans react too quick, hell Philly fans wanted Reid gone just a month ago and now that seems to have changed, good team give their staff a legit chance and in my opinion 2 years is not enough to give any staff a fair shot at getting the job done. I will say another season of disappointment may do the trick but I honestly feel that coaches should be give at least 3 years and if after that time the GM feels things are moving as they want then you extend the contract if not then you look to move in another direction

There are other factors to be considered as well, including player age, contracts, and the salary cap.

It's impossible to keep talent together for the several years it might take for a coach to 'grow' into the role.

If that time comes, the talent may have moved on and you will have missed your opportunity, which I feel the Cowboys have done for the past two seasons.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's one way of looking at it. Another is to chart where the level of talent has gone in the past two years (up in my opinion) and look at the results achieved with that talent (down in my opinion).

The Phillips regime reminds me an awful lot of the Switzer regime. Fortunately, Switzer was able to ride the talent to a Super Bowl victory before his leniency allowed it to unravel. I don't see us getting that under Phillips.



There are other factors to be considered as well, including player age, contracts, and the salary cap.

It's impossible to keep talent together for the several years it might take for a coach to 'grow' into the role.

If that time comes, the talent may have moved on and you will have missed your opportunity, which I feel the Cowboys have done for the past two seasons.

I think you hire coaches for the long haul, players are going to come and go more so now days because of FA. But I think it is a hugh mistake to think I need to hire a coach for these players right now.

 

[Stash]

I think you hire coaches for the long haul, players are going to come and go more so now days because of FA. But I think it is a hugh mistake to think I need to hire a coach for these players right now.

I don't think coaches get 'the long haul' in today's NFL. There's too much money and too much pressure involved for owners to be patient when teams aren't producing.

And given the investment that Jerry Jones has made and the pressure of filling up his new billion-dollar stadium, I can't see him being overly patient next year.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think coaches get 'the long haul' in today's NFL. There's too much money and too much pressure involved for owners to be patient when teams aren't producing.

And given the investment that Jerry Jones has made and the pressure of filling up his new billion-dollar stadium, I can't see him being overly patient next year.

I think in many of the top organization they do stay with their coaches quite a while. Overall I think many GM do allow outside pressure through media and fans to dictate to them which causes them to be in a constant state of flux. As I said I think players come and go but coaches is something you try to put in place for the longer haul. As mentioned I feel any organization should give the coaching staff a minimum of 3 years and then judge where you are and go from there.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

There was another article in that paper about how the GM was familiar with Garrett because "he's a Jersey guy".

That sounds just like Parcells. What is the big deal with being a Jersey guy to these people?

you have to fight 10 people just to leave the front lawn

it's why they call it Brick City

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Good points Ice.... and I agree.

Keep him here.... he'll be fine!

that's what the 1st mate said on the Titanic

full steam ahead!

 

[Venger]

well it's good to see the president of the IGS society (this week anyway) providing such valuable input and long term vision. just what we need more of around here!

Just what did your response provide?

My post made three very salient, and I feel inarguable, points:

1) "Nobody is going to hire Garrett, and they certainly won't hire him and pay him what he's making now." Self explanatory.

2) "Stupid Jerry Jones. STUPID. JERRY. JONES. Three million to lock up a guy that hasn't done ANYTHING in this league, as coach or player." Jones vastly overpaid an unproven Garrett.

3) "Garrett should be an assistant right now in a good organization earning his stripes and learning the ropes. Instead he is the most overpaid staff in the league in the worst environment to learn - no coordination, no scheme, no plan, just bow down and pray to Jerreh 3 times a day." Garrett should be following a traditional ascension for coaching by learning at various positions in the pro or college game, but is in the worst position to do so here without a coherent organizational structure for coaches to learn and grow.

So, reading the verbal diarrhea you tossed out, who exactly is making salient points (ahem, me), and who gave a moaning, self-pleasuring non-response (ahem, you)?

Good day to you sir.

 

[iceberg]

Just what did your response provide?

My post made three very salient, and I feel inarguable, points:

1) "Nobody is going to hire Garrett, and they certainly won't hire him and pay him what he's making now." Self explanatory.

2) "Stupid Jerry Jones. STUPID. JERRY. JONES. Three million to lock up a guy that hasn't done ANYTHING in this league, as coach or player." Jones vastly overpaid an unproven Garrett.

3) "Garrett should be an assistant right now in a good organization earning his stripes and learning the ropes. Instead he is the most overpaid staff in the league in the worst environment to learn - no coordination, no scheme, no plan, just bow down and pray to Jerreh 3 times a day." Garrett should be following a traditional ascension for coaching by learning at various positions in the pro or college game, but is in the worst position to do so here without a coherent organizational structure for coaches to learn and grow.

So, reading the verbal diarrhea you tossed out, who exactly is making salient points (ahem, me), and who gave a moaning, self-pleasuring non-response (ahem, you)?

Good day to you sir.

it provided what i needed it to provide.

g'day.

 

[Venger]

it provided what i needed it to provide.

An increment to your post count? So be it...

 

[iceberg]

An increment to your post count? So be it...

if that's all you got out if it, i suppose so.

 

[landryscorner]

no doubt about it garrett hurt his chances for a long, long, long time..

 

[28 Joker]

it may not have been TOs intent to bring the team down, but that's what i feel it did in the end. it showed other players they could get away with things. johnson would cut curvin richards or something to make a point after a loss and leave his top guns alone.

we need to send a message that things will be different and yes, i'd help pay romos bonus if he'd grab TO by the facemask as a rant and get into it with him right there in front of the world.

espn would wet themselves for a week, but then i'd know romo is our leader.

Jason Witten, as reported by "sources', got after Owens because of a bad route he ran in Pittsburgh. What did Owens want to do? He wanted to fight. Witten was just standing up for Romo, because Romo knows the eratic Owens will probably "blow up' in his face if he says something or challenges him. I wish Romo would stand up to Owens, too. However, you can understand Romo's delima.

In my very strong opinion, Terrell Owens needs to go now. The damage has been done. The huge fire in the lockerroom can be traced right back to him. It's too late to start "warning" him now. That should have been done long ago. That step was skipped, and it's too late to warn the person about starting a huge fire in the lockerroom when it has already burned down.

Students in a classroom can see a double standard when it comes to discipline. They will not respect your authority unless you stand up to the "bully" in the classroom. Owens has been treated like a teacher's pet. He gets to do or say anything he wants to do or say. There are no consequences for his eratic, divisive behavior.

If you want to get control of the classroom and send players a message, you icut him. That will get everyone's attention. It is the first step to making this a "team" and not an iteam or fractured team. If the classroom sees the "teacher's pet" or Jerry's pet get rooted out or cut, they will know you mean business. They will think twice before they get arrested or act divisive or act disrespectful to other coaches or players or whine about not getting the ball enough.

I can't prove it, but I bet Jason Garrett wouldn't care if Owens was back or not. In fact, I bet he would be just perfectly content if iOwens is gone.

 

[Venger]

Students in a classroom can see a double standard when it comes to discipline. They will not respect your authority unless you stand up to the "bully" in the classroom. Owens has been treated like a teacher's pet. He gets to do or say anything he wants to do or say. There are no consequences for his eratic, divisive behavior.

Even Jimmy didn't hammer his stars.

If you give a player who showed absolutely nothing like Pac Man deference and shoehorn him into the lineup to prove Jerreh right, what is wrong with dealing with TO getting frustrated with the offense? There is something not right on the offensive side of the ball, and I think anyone chalking it up to being predominantly a Owens problem is looking less at reality and more at finding a scapegoat. I've heard Owens post game and I tell you, his are some of the more salient points I hear.

I guess if it's TO's fault, and we wrap that around us like a warm blanket, it'll get us through the cold nights until next year, when we need a new blanket.

Not that you were doing that, just happened to be where my post fit...

 

[chinch]

I said before he Romo went down we avg. 28 points a game regardless if you believe or not and Romo was not the only injury that was having a big effect on the offense. I also think Garrett is not perfect and he will have to learn from things that did not work this past season he is not the 1st who has had a rough season as an OC.

no need to repeat yourself, i read your spin and totally refuted it with facts after his return plus the addition of Roy WR

 

[28 Joker]

Even Jimmy didn't hammer his stars.

If you give a player who showed absolutely nothing like Pac Man deference and shoehorn him into the lineup to prove Jerreh right, what is wrong with dealing with TO getting frustrated with the offense? There is something not right on the offensive side of the ball, and I think anyone chalking it up to being predominantly a Owens problem is looking less at reality and more at finding a scapegoat. I've heard Owens post game and I tell you, his are some of the more salient points I hear.

I guess if it's TO's fault, and we wrap that around us like a warm blanket, it'll get us through the cold nights until next year, when we need a new blanket.

Not that you were doing that, just happened to be where my post fit...

There is a reason Bill Parcells didn't want Owens in the lockerroom. There is a reason the Eagles booted him. There is a reason the 49ers traded him. He's divisive, and once you are on his list, it's on.

Just because the Cowboys had some issues on offense, that gives Terrell Owens no right to go on national television and disrespect the offesive coordinator and quarterback and lay blame on them. I would hate to be on a sinking ship with him, he would throw me overboard while pointing fingers, instead of grabbing a bucket.

I never heard Micheal Irvin cut Norv Turner off at the knees or be critical of Troy Aikman and lay blame on him or Turner.

The Dallas Cowboys don't need him. They have plenty of fire power and weapons for Tony Romo.

 

[dallascowboyfanboy]

Jason Garrett needs more experience as a coordinator. Not ready to be a headcoach yet.



www.dallascowboyfanboy.com

 

[Idgit]

There is a reason Bill Parcells didn't want Owens in the lockerroom. There is a reason the Eagles booted him. There is a reason the 49ers traded him. He's divisive, and once you are on his list, it's on.

Just because the Cowboys had some issues on offense, that gives Terrell Owens no right to go on national television and disrespect the offesive coordinator and quarterback and lay blame on them. I would hate to be on a sinking ship with him, he would throw me overboard while pointing fingers, instead of grabbing a bucket.

I never heard Micheal Irvin cut Norv Turner off at the knees or be critical of Troy Aikman and lay blame on him or Turner.

The Dallas Cowboys don't need him. They have plenty of fire power and weapons for Tony Romo.

The problem is, we actually do still need him, but I agree that he's also getting in the way of our goals. I'm inclined to get through the draft to see if a WR we really like who can get behind defenses is in reach, and then decide what to do with Owens. I'm not comfortable with Austin being the only speed receiver we've got. I could live with Owens another year if he's kept away from the media (assuming that's even possible). That interview with Deion was straight-foolish last year.

 

[Venger]

There is a reason Bill Parcells didn't want Owens in the lockerroom. There is a reason the Eagles booted him. There is a reason the 49ers traded him. He's divisive, and once you are on his list, it's on.

Just because the Cowboys had some issues on offense, that gives Terrell Owens no right to go on national television and disrespect the offesive coordinator and quarterback and lay blame on them.

When did he do that? You just built your entire point around something that didn't happen.

I would hate to be on a sinking ship with him, he would throw me overboard while pointing fingers, instead of grabbing a bucket.

Rather unfair.

I never heard Micheal Irvin cut Norv Turner off at the knees or be critical of Troy Aikman and lay blame on him or Turner.

Things were pretty good when Irvin and Aikman played. But lest your forget, there was alot of race-related hubbub around Aikman after things started going downhill, and his relationship with the offensive line.

The Dallas Cowboys don't need him. They have plenty of fire power and weapons for Tony Romo.

I disagree. The other weapons have an easier time of it when the opponent is planning to double Owens all day.