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And he still was one of the better defensive players, and so maybe I should use the words angryThere were a lot of people mad at this defense last year too.
And he still was one of the better defensive players, and so maybe I should use the words angryThere were a lot of people mad at this defense last year too.
their schemes worked on first and second down. but on third and long we were almost guaranteed to give up the big play for a first down. reason was poor scheme. no heat on the opposing qb's gave them too much time to sit in the pocket and pick us apart. time after time after...………………………...No they didn't. They schemed to not give up any big plays - which they were generally very good at.
The Cowboys had the most consistent pass rush in football and ranked second in third-down stops....their schemes worked on first and second down. but on third and long we were almost guaranteed to give up the big play for a first down. reason was poor scheme. no heat on the opposing qb's gave them too much time to sit in the pocket and pick us apart. time after time after...………………………...
When people discuss paying Byron Jones, the strongest (and sometimes only) argument against signing him is his lack of interceptions.
I'm not saying we shouldn't hold that against him. He doesnt intercept the ball. That's a fact.
I was thinking about this, and the thing I keep coming back to is that nobody intercepts the ball on this defense, and they havent for years. Jeff Heath of all people has been our best interceptor for years. This makes me think that perhaps any corner would have lower than typical interceptions in the scheme we've played for years.
So I'm wondering what people's opinions are on this. Are we going to see Byron Jones go to another team and start pulling down interceptions? If so, then maybe he could do that for us under a new coordinator in a new scheme. Theyve already stated that turnovers are going to be a priority for once.
Or is it that Byron Jones himself is the problem? Does he just not have that aspect to his game?
This is a really important question to answer before deciding his future.
For the sake of this thread, please just focus on whether Jones should be paid, and not on whether there will be room left to pay him pending Dak, Cooper, etc. We've got enough threads about the cap space they may command.
I think Kris Richard starting having them look at players hands and then knock the ball away. And rely on zones to get picks, but we never did. We just rally and tackled.I wish I had an answer to this question. I asked the same question when they decided to let Morris Claiborne walk. Claiborne was only marginally better playing for the Jets than he was for Dallas.
The one question I have is about the Cowboys technique. They all watch the receiver and turn for the ball too late to pick if off. But I am not sure if this is just poor recognition or bad coaching. The thing about Dallas is they don't even seem to be there to intercept the errant or tipped passes.
My gut tells me its the players not the coaching. The guys who get a lot of INTs seems to be able to stay with their receivers but still turn and look for the ball. Maybe the problem is the Cowboys CBs just aren't that good. But I thought Jones was supposed to be a smart guy academically. I guess we'll have to watch some Broncos games to find out. (But I still think he winds up with the Giants or Eagles next season)
Wie gehts miene gute?!When people discuss paying Byron Jones, the strongest (and sometimes only) argument against signing him is his lack of interceptions. I'm not saying we shouldn't hold that against him. He doesnt intercept the ball. That's a fact.
Pros: Decent to good cover skills and stays healthy.
Cons: No INTs and does not elevate game in the big games.
I googled 3rd down stops and the cowboys came up 3rd at 33.33%. Far better than I thought.The Cowboys had the most consistent pass rush in football and ranked second in third-down stops....
They didn't play with a scheme that allowed DBs to attack and take advantage of that front four, which meant fewer turnovers and fewer sacks. But it also meant not giving up big plays.
Bryon Jones is in essence the same player as Brandon Carr. Very durable, solid corner but far from elite. This team has shown us, they pay elite talents, not solid starters, like a Hitchens for example. Team needs to find a true #1, elite corner,.
Pay a top 10 or 20 CB like a top 3 or 5. Great argument.Carr was never as good in coverage. Never. Not a single time in his career. Not remotely the same player. Jones is more comparable to Adoree Jackson.
And Jones ranked within the top 10 and top 20 the past two seasons. Good luck trying to replace this.
Pay a top 10 or 20 CB like a top 3 or 5. Great argument.
He won't be getting "top 3 CB" money. He is expected to get 16-17 million, which isn't shattering the market. That's a money top CBs got 2-3 years ago.
When people discuss paying Byron Jones, the strongest (and sometimes only) argument against signing him is his lack of interceptions.
I'm not saying we shouldn't hold that against him. He doesnt intercept the ball. That's a fact.
I was thinking about this, and the thing I keep coming back to is that nobody intercepts the ball on this defense, and they havent for years. Jeff Heath of all people has been our best interceptor for years. This makes me think that perhaps any corner would have lower than typical interceptions in the scheme we've played for years.
So I'm wondering what people's opinions are on this. Are we going to see Byron Jones go to another team and start pulling down interceptions? If so, then maybe he could do that for us under a new coordinator in a new scheme. Theyve already stated that turnovers are going to be a priority for once.
Or is it that Byron Jones himself is the problem? Does he just not have that aspect to his game?
This is a really important question to answer before deciding his future.
For the sake of this thread, please just focus on whether Jones should be paid, and not on whether there will be room left to pay him pending Dak, Cooper, etc. We've got enough threads about the cap space they may command.
There’s also an element of him having terrible hands. I’ve seen him on the jugs machine and some casual shots of him trying to catch at practice and dude just has no hands.
J.Lew was cracking some jokes at him during an interview I saw once, making fun of his hands lol. It looks like he tries to clap the ball together with his hands. If you ever watch some missed interceptions by him it’s always the same. Tries to clap it together and it goes right though his hands. He certainly is an elite athlete playing CB, good enough to be a solid #1, not good enough to be a top 5 guy.
Carr was considered an excelled press cb, kind of like Bryon. Both struggles badly in zone coverage.Carr was never as good in coverage. Never. Not a single time in his career. Not remotely the same player. Jones is more comparable to Adoree Jackson.
And Jones ranked within the top 10 and top 20 the past two seasons. Good luck trying to replace this.
Bryon Jones is in essence the same player as Brandon Carr. Very durable, solid corner but far from elite. This team has shown us, they pay elite talents, not solid starters, like a Hitchens for example. Team needs to find a true #1, elite corner,.
Carr was considered an excelled press cb, kind of like Bryon. Both struggles badly in zone coverage.