Byron Jones Insight from a CT Guy

[texbumthelife]

This has been already discussed. I can link you theo's rejoinder but I am not overly in the mood to repeat what has already been covered.

You apparently do not understand the college rules and want to play ref. There were no flags. The completion was a comeback when the QB had all day.

The 2:54 play he is out of the shot when the WR cuts so you cannot see what happened. The 3:05 interception saw him peel off his man and come back to highpoint the ball. What do ball skills mean? 2:06 he looks back for the ball and youre wrong that wouldn't be called in the NFL. :45 was a slant thrown low and inside like you are supposed to. He didn't tackle him the WR went to the ground to try and catch the low throw. I'll give you 1:20. He did fall down turning around to look for the ball. Technique hasn't caught up to obvious instincts.

Outside that you wave at a stat lines and don't discuss the actual matchup. That posits nothing. For all you know they lined up the WR on the opposite side. My point is taht there is tape to evaluate him against top competition and the hearsay I have heard is that despite his team being blown out he acquitted himself well. Grain of salt caveats certainly apply.

You just want to argue about how to debate. You have no argument, all you have is you grumbling disagreements with mine. You've brought absolutely nothing to the table. We can curb this and revisit in a few years. We have both been here for a while, so I expect we'll still be here at that time.

If at any point he has achieved anything more than being an OK second corner, I will be more than happy to eat my crow. Something tells me you'll still find excuses though.

 

[jrumann59]

Well, I would have been more than happy with him in the third, where he was projected before his miraculous combine jump.

How many guys went where they were "expected" to go. The combine and the prognistication on these players is not perfect. He was not the only guy to rise and guess what there were guys expected to go in the 1st before the draft but didn't. There are so many variables one being where you played and national exposure. UConn having a football team is almost as suprising as knowing Duke or UNC have college level football teams.

 

[texbumthelife]

How many guys went where they were "expected" to go. The combine and the prognistication on these players is not perfect. He was not the only guy to rise and guess what there were guys expected to go in the 1st before the draft but didn't. There are so many variables one being where you played and national exposure. UConn having a football team is almost as suprising as knowing Duke or UNC have college level football teams.

What's your point? You seem to be validating mine while trying to argue against me...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You just want to argue about how to debate. You have no argument, all you have is you grumbling disagreements with mine. You've brought absolutely nothing to the table. We can curb this and revisit in a few years. We have both been here for a while, so I expect we'll still be here at that time.

If at any point he has achieved anything more than being an OK second corner, I will be more than happy to eat my crow. Something tells me you'll still find excuses though.

I brought direct refutation with timestamps seeing that you went with this generalized whine rather than address what was said specifically that is good enough for me.

He looked back on the deep throw to the back corner of the EZ and you are allowed to fight for the ball given that in the NFL.

The majority of the contact was within 5 yards on the other. The college game is called differently and there were no flags.

You couldn't see the WR make his cut ont he double move that got separation. The QB did have time for the WR to complete a double move and them some on the play.

He did peel off his man on the pick.

You spoke nothing about direct matchups with Jones given those gratuitous numbers you waved your hands out.

It is what it is and your non-answer and claims that I brought nothing to the discussion certainly speaks to your lack of substance.

 

[texbumthelife]

I brought direct refutation with timestamps seeing that you went with this generalized whine rather than address what was said specifically that is good enough for me.

He looked back on the deep throw to the back corner of the EZ. You couldn't see the WR make his cut ont he double move that got separation. The QB did have time for the WR to complete a double move and them some on the play. He did peel off his man on the pick. You spoke nothing about direct matchups with Jones given those gaudy numbers you waved your hands out.

It is what it is and your non-answer and claims that I brought nothing to the discussion certainly speaks to your lack of substance.

You continue to want to argue about how to debate. I'm not gonna do that.

I gave specifics with film to back it up. You disagreed but gave nothing of your own.

I'm willing to agree to disagree because I don't think it's worth arguing anymore. Clearly our ideas and opinions are on opposite sides of the fence and we aren't going to reconcile them.

If you just have to get the last word to feed your ego, have at it. I'm done.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You continue to want to argue about how to debate. I'm not gonna do that.

I gave specifics with film to back it up. You disagreed but gave nothing of your own.

I'm willing to agree to disagree because I don't think it's worth arguing anymore. Clearly our ideas and opinions are on opposite sides of the fence and we aren't going to reconcile them.

If you just have to get the last word to feed your ego, have at it. I'm done.

Alright so me speaking to events with timestamps is nothing. If you don't think its worth arguing anymore than stop doing it.

BTW, I am not speaking to you when talking about how to judge the debate. We have an audience, chachi. Ciao

 

[jrumann59]

What's your point? You seem to be validating mine while trying to argue against me...

Lets see he is from lesser know football school, one can argue UConn is usually a doormat for most teams, so I am willing to bet most scouts did not go out of their way to deeply scout the kid in the early going and only caught glimpses of him when he was playing against some of the better known schools. Given the underwear olympics that is the combine can greatly enhance one's stock especially if the player is not from a marquee school. Just like the combine can tank stock like Randy Gregory. The pre-combine ratings are based many variables most of which are marquee schools, name recognition in the college ranks, team success, etc, etc. The combine results are not as gospel if some kid jumps out int he combine another round of research is done, there are very few work-out warriors that get drafted.

 

[xwalker]

Alright so me speaking to events with timestamps is nothing. If you don't think its worth arguing anymore than stop doing it.

BTW, I am not speaking to you when talking about how to judge the debate. We have an audience, chachi. Ciao

I had basically the same conversation with this poster about this player a few days ago. He just does not understand CB play. His time stamp references prove it.