Calculated Risk in rebuilding the team...

[TunaFan33]

Agree Juke. Great points.

Parcells personifies middle of the road, not only in the offensive personnel he has built the team with, but his entire offensive strategy has always been middle of the road.

If he stays, he should not be given the keys to the franchise as he's had the past 3 seasons. Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones and most importantly Jeff Ireland and his scouting staff should have the final say in free agency, draft, trades and all player acquisitions. A coach whose status is year to year, one that insists on bringing in 30 plus year old offensive players in free agency, regardless of the effects down the road, should not be given this power. He should come back to be the coach, while management gets his team younger. Of course Parcells would never go for this, so I feel it's time for a new coach to finish off what he started.

Yep-didn't work for Holmgren in Seattle for a few years.

However-why is it working for Shanahan in Denver? He has the key to the entire franchise, but they're having alot more success than we are.

 

[wileedog]

Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones and most importantly Jeff Ireland and his scouting staff should have the final say in free agency, draft, trades and all player acquisitions.

Quite frankly, I think we need a whole lot less input from Jerry rather than basically giving him the keys and some yes-men.

Unless you were particularly happy with drafting pre-Bill. Then by all means go for it.

 

[RCowboyFan]

But we can talk about philosohies all we want, in my mind it all comes down to ONE THING...THE QB! If we had a great young QB who was efficient, smart, strong-armed and made good, quick decisions most of our problems wouldn't seem so bad and that includes the OL. As Madden said the other night about Brady, "He makes up for a lot of injuries and a lot of weaknesses in other areas of your team."

Hey, but I have been told, that Bledsoe can be the right one, if we only had good OL. I guess only thing Bledsoe can't cover for is a bad OL

 

[TunaFan33]

Hey, but I have been told, that Bledsoe can be the right one, if we only had good OL. I guess only thing Bledsoe can't cover for is a bad OL

Our OL wasn't GREAT to begin with-Bledsoe played a heck of alot better with Flo in there.

At least Brunell has 2 of the best Ts in the game covering for him.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I think it could be worse if he stays.

Imagine what will happen if he unloads Ellis and Glover, brings in more 3-4 fit players and then leaves. The next coach would either need to be a 3-4 coach or we are once again fitting square pegs into round holes and starting over. We will have more talent, but will it be the RIGHT talent?

On offense we will be left with no QB, and if the past two seasons mean anything, no freaking clue as to whether or not Henson or Romo can do the job.

Like it or not we are still a re-building team, and being one more year down the road, especially if that year is spent with a lame duck Parcells as coach, won't makes us farther down the road then we'd be with a new coach going into the offseason right now.

Well, you know, I am not here nor there with that thought. I agree mostly with your points, but then at the same time, I can't think of a good replacement right now?

I do hope, that Romo does indeed have great promise, for them to not take a 3rd round for him. I saw decent ability, but don't see the ability that would say, a 3rd round pick is not enough for him. Henson, well at least Cowboys have time to wait, Romo will be in his final year of the deal, he signed last season if I am correct. If Cowboys don't find out in 2006, they wont get anything for him if he never sees the field on Sundays. I doubt he would want to sign here for that kind of money this time around, especially with no chance to start.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Our OL wasn't GREAT to begin with-Bledsoe played a heck of alot better with Flo in there.

At least Brunell has 2 of the best Ts in the game covering for him.

Did I mention Brunell in my post?

 

[Cowboys Dad]

TWO QUICK POINTS:


Point 1: This team did nine and seven so lets not all pile on the Tuna about his mistakes in personell because unlike some of you I dont get the impression that this team has that many holes to fill. Bill just needs to sit back (hes coming back) and bring in the missing offensive linemen and the missing linebackers. Which leads me to....

Point 2: Sign Terrell Owens, and you shuffle your WR down one spot making you WR a top level group. Something that lip service was paid to last year but not addressed.

Point of my points? Stop being so quick to fall off the bandwagon, while I am not Parcells biggest supporter, that is to say my neck wont break if the Tuna makes a sharp right turn, I for one like the progress, even as one of the more impatient Cowboys fans. This team is close and some addition by the subtraction of Zimmer would seal the deal on a legitimate super bowl run next season.

 

[Juke99]

Agree Juke. Great points.

Parcells personifies middle of the road, not only in the offensive personnel he has built the team with, but his entire offensive strategy has always been middle of the road.

If he stays, he should not be given the keys to the franchise as he's had the past 3 seasons. Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones and most importantly Jeff Ireland and his scouting staff should have the final say in free agency, draft, trades and all player acquisitions. A coach whose status is year to year, one that insists on bringing in 30 plus year old offensive players in free agency, regardless of the effects down the road, should not be given this power. He should come back to be the coach, while management gets his team younger. Of course Parcells would never go for this, so I feel it's time for a new coach to finish off what he started.

On the nosey....That says it all.

I'd take a Parcells disciple now.

But...the good ones are locked up in contracts....

 

[Trip]

Quite frankly, I think we need a whole lot less input from Jerry rather than basically giving him the keys and some yes-men.

Unless you were particularly happy with drafting pre-Bill. Then by all means go for it.

Well, Ireland and a different scouting department are involved now and hopefully we're in a better situation draft wise than we were pre-Parcells. And no I wasn't happy with it before.

I still feel more comfortable with people who have the long term interests of the team at heart.

If it was strictly between Jerry and Parcells, I agree, I'd probably be more comfortable with Parcells' short term interests.

But I'm counting on the fact that the Cowboys have some more people in power in the organization capable of making decisions, besides just Parcells.

 

[wileedog]

Well, Ireland and a different scouting department are involved now and hopefully we're in a better situation draft-wise than we were pre-Parcells. And no I wasn't happy with it before.

I still feel more comfortable with people who have the long term interests of the team at heart.

If it was strictly between Jerry and Parcells, I agree, I'd probably be more comfortable with Parcells' short term interests.

But I'm counting on the fact that the Cowboys have some more people in power in the organization capable of making decisions, besides just Parcells.

You are dreaming.

If you take Parcells out of the equation then Jerry becomes the de facto decision maker.

He might do better than he has done with better information provided to him by Ireland, but at the end of the day he will call the final shots.

And who knows what will happen if Jerry falls in love with another 'project' QB in the 2nd round?

Oh wait, we do....

If you want Parcells to stop shopping for groceries then get a real GM in here first (Wolf?) that Jerry will abdicate responsibility to. Otherwise this is franchise suicide.

Quite frankly I doubt that ever happens.

 

[Trip]

You are dreaming.

If you take Parcells out of the equation then Jerry becomes the de facto decision maker.

He might do better than he has done with better information provided to him by Ireland, but at the end of the day he will call the final shots.

And who knows what will happen if Jerry falls in love with another 'project' QB in the 2nd round?

Oh wait, we do....

If you want Parcells to stop shopping for groceries then get a real GM in here first (Wolf?) that Jerry will abdicate responsibility to. Otherwise this is franchise suicide.

Quite frankly I doubt that ever happens.

I doubt Jerry ignored his scouts advice when he was missing on all of those draft choices. If Jerry did repeatedly ignore Lacewell, then I'd say he has learned his lesson.

He would have more success if Ireland and his group are what they say they they are.

 

[wileedog]

I doubt Jerry ignored his scouts advice when he was missing on all of those draft choices. If Jerry did repeatedly ignore Lacewell, then I'd say he has learned his lesson.

He would have more success, if Ireland and his group are what they say they they are.

If we know one thing about Jerry, we know that he will fall in love with a player and do something stupid to get him. Or do something dummer and keep him despite everyone's advice to the contrary.

Furthermore, we don't know that Ireland's group is all that they say they are. We can speculate, but we don't how much input they had into each decision vs. how much Bill brought to the equation.

You say that you are making this move because you want someone with a "long term plan" in place. Tell me, what long term planning abilities did Jerry ever display to you after Jimmy left? Was it when he threw away two first rounders on Galloway, or never had a competent young QB ready to take over when Aikman was declining?

As for Ireland, he might be a better scout than Lacewell, but what does that have to do with devising long term plans?

Hire a GM or leave the status quo. You are not improving anything at all by simply cutting Bill out of the picture.

 

[Trip]

If one of us is dreaming buddy, it's you.

The Dallas Cowboys will never have a G.M. not named Jones as long as said surname is in ownership.

It's not the drafting under Parcells that I am most concerned about. Other than miss on every offensive lineman we've chosen under Parcells, we've done well IMO. Was that all Parcells, or did Ireland have heavy input and Jerry the final say? Only Jerry knows the answer to that.

It's the free agency direction I'm most concerned about.

If a 64 year old, who can't decide when it is he may finally become a permanent bettor of the ponies, is the only one in our organization that you believe can make rational decisions when it comes to the draft, then we are doomed to fail anyway and I say lets get on with it. The quicker Jerry knows the truth, the quicker he gets the right people in place.

No head coach should be given that much power, given the nature of the position, and certainly not one that can't decide where he plans to be from year to year.

 

[AmishCowboy]

The first season under Bill it appeared that we had a young QB in Quincy, he went 10-6 and made the playoffs, his personal problems set this team back a couple of seasons before we could get another QB. I would have loved if Bryant and Ross worked out as well, they really would have made this team alot better heading into last offseason, but we had to adjust and I believe that set us back a season. And let's not forget the Rogers failure as well, That's why I believe next year is our year if we make the correct decisions in the offseason. 2 FA O lineman will go along way here.

 

[AmishCowboy]

And let's not forget Galloway, he never played here as well as he's playing in Tampa, he just seem lost or disinterested here.

 

[wileedog]

If one of us is dreaming buddy, it's you.

The Dallas Cowboys will never have a G.M. not named Jones as long as said surname is in ownership.

I said that I don't think it will ever happen.

It's the free agency direction I'm most concerned about.

Bledsoe
A. Glenn
Henry
Ferguson
Rivera

Pretty solid crop overall, Rivera being the only bust and we'll never know what would have happened without the back injury.

You don't build a team through FA anyway, you use it to patch up spots you couldn't address in the draft or hopefully to push your team over the edge.

There aren't a heck of a lot of quality 27 year old players out there just waiting to be signed, and if they are their pricetag is generally enormous. We're lucky we got at least Henry.

If a 64 year old, who can't decide when it is he may finally become a permanent bettor of the ponies, is the only one in our organization that you believe can make rational decisions when it comes to the draft, then we are doomed to fail anyway and I say lets get on with it. The quicker Jerry knows the truth, the quicker he gets the right people in place.

No head coach should be given that much power, given the nature of the position, and certainly not one that can't decide where he plans to be from year to year.

You better hope he keeps that power.

Because Jerry ain't hiring a GM any time soon, and without Bill's influence its the late 90's all over again.

 

[Trip]

Henry's solid. Bledsoe too, and I'll give you Glenn. The last two are old players, so they probably don't help us by the time we'll be contenders again. But solid and very cost effective.

Rivera is a bust and an expensive one, to the tune of about $3.5 million on our cap after two more years of back problems. Ferguson costs almost $4 million next season, then close to $6 million for the last two years of his deal. If it was Glover I could stomach it, but for a nose tackle that does nothing but take up space, not solid, rather ridiculous. Another $3.5 million mistake after two more seasons.

Can't forget Dat Dude just a year ago, another expensive mistake. Ryan Young the year before. Those $3 million mistakes add up.

$7 million in cap hit mistakes for one season down the road, and no playoffs now which is why he made the moves, is enough for me.

One more offseason, and a few more of these moves, then Parcells hangs it up? I'm sorry, it may not be attractive enough to a guy with the ability to keep Jerry in check.

 

[wileedog]

Henry's solid. Bledsoe too, and I'll give you Glenn. The last two are old players, so they probably don't help us by the time we'll be contenders again. But solid and very cost effective.

Rivera is a bust and an expensive one, to the tune of about $3.5 million on our cap after two more years of back problems. Ferguson costs almost $4 million next season, then close to $6 million for the last two years of his deal. If it was Glover I could stomach it, but for a nose tackle that does nothing but take up space, not solid, rather ridiculous. Another $3.5 million mistake after two more seasons.

Can't forget Dat Dude just a year ago, another expensive mistake. Ryan Young the year before. Those $3 million mistakes add up.

$7 million in cap hit mistakes for one season down the road, and no playoffs now which is why he made the moves, is enough for me.

One more offseason, and a few more of these moves, then Parcells hangs it up? I'm sorry, it may not be attractive enough to a guy with the ability to keep Jerry in check.

FA is a crapshoot. By and large you are looking at players who have been playing their arses off for the big pay day, and once they get it much of their motivation goes out the window.

I dare you to find a coach or team that has spent good money in free agency and hit on all of their decisions. You'll spend a long time looking.

Point is, Bill's free agency signings are the least of my concerns. If he continues to contribute to solid drafts and retaining the free agents we have, not to mention finding late round gems like Crayton or possibly Pettitti, I don't really care about the occasional Dat Dude or Rivera.

He's gotta get his offensive lines misjudgements in shape though, I'll certainly give you that much.