Caleb Williams will leave USC for five teams. Cowboys one of them

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I asked first ;)
It’s pretty obvious I’m pointing out that USC QBs haven’t won anything in the NFL. I left out Matt Cassel and Rodney Peete. Doesn’t mean it will continue but it’s something to note.
 

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As great as that would be I don't see how he can choose where he goes.
That's not the way the draft works but he would be a great backup to sit and learn for a couple years.

He's going to a team that sucks.
I suppose Caleb Williams feels he can follow some history___

1983 - Colts picked John Elway No. 1 in the draft, despite Elway informing the team during his last college season he wasn't going to play in Baltimore.
A few days after the draft, Elway was traded to the Broncos.

2004 - Eli Manning told the Chargers he was not going to play for them if picked by the team.
San Diego picked Manning No. 1 in the draft...less than an hour later he was traded to the Giants.
 

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You’re pointing to Matt Cassel, Rodney Peete, and Mark Sanchez as USC success stories in the NFL? Lol None of them became franchise QBs. They were average at best. You would be happy if Williams had the same career with the Cowboys those QBs had in the NFL? Maybe Williams will flame out in the NFL and we’ll pick him up someday. Lol
Nope. Didn't even suggest they were success stories. Pointed out that they are some of the top USC QBs that have played in the NFL and showed their passing yard totals in the pros, which are as you said, are average at best. They just all coincidentally ended up in Dallas at some point.
 

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I suppose Caleb Williams feels he can follow some history___

1983 - Colts picked John Elway No. 1 in the draft, despite Elway informing the team during his last college season he wasn't going to play in Baltimore.
A few days after the draft, Elway was traded to the Broncos.

2004 - Eli Manning told the Chargers he was not going to play for them if picked by the team.
San Diego picked Manning No. 1 in the draft...less than an hour later he was traded to the Giants.
Right, but like I further explained above, they didn't really have a choice of where they got traded.
 

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Nope. Didn't even suggest they were success stories. Pointed out that they are some of the top USC QBs that have played in the NFL and showed their passing yard totals in the pros, which are as you said, are average at best. They just all coincidentally ended up in Dallas at some point.
Wasn’t sure where you were coming from with that post. Their passing yard totals in the NFL weren’t anything to write home about. If Williams ends up with the Cowboys, it will mean he flamed out like the rest of those USC QBs.
 

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Right, but like I further explained above, they didn't really have a choice of where they got traded.
True, but they somewhat dictated their futures by REFUSING TO PLAY for the teams that had picked them No.1 overall.

"I don't know what team I wind up playing for -- but I won't play for your team."
 

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Wasn’t sure where you were coming from with that post. Their passing yard totals in the NFL weren’t anything to write home about. If Williams ends up with the Cowboys, it will mean he flamed out like the rest of those USC QBs.
Thought sharing their less than impressive NFL stats would further emphasize the notion that USC does not produce good NFL QBs. I do think the only way Dallas gets Williams is if he flames out. They won't be drafting highly in 2024 and probably not in 2025, either. They don't have enough assets to make a trade to acquire the pick necessary to draft Williams. Even if they could pull off a trade to get him, I don't think they should. While I don't think he will be garbage, I don't see him as one of the potential best ever, either. More importantly, the cost to get him will hamper the ability to field a team around him with other draft picks. Realistically, the chances of him ending up in Dallas are low. Him being a success are also low as with most first round QBs. The USC connection is more a funny one than having an actual impact on his potential NFL success, but I like it.
 

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It’s pretty obvious I’m pointing out that USC QBs haven’t won anything in the NFL. I left out Matt Cassel and Rodney Peete. Doesn’t mean it will continue but it’s something to note.
What does that have ANYTHING to do with whether Williams is going to be the same? Nothing is the answer. Absolutely nothing except maybe to misguided fans.
 

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He can't and we're not going to be in the middle of the first round we're going to be at the end then whoever chooses him number 1234 or five in the draft this year coming they will own his rights for eternity he cannot play in the NFL unless he goes where he's drafted even if he tries to pull an Eli Manning or a John Elway teams nowadays are not going to play that game and they will just hold his rights forever and good luck in the USFL bro you will not get to re enter the draft and go to a different team the year after or the year after that you will belong to the team that drafts you that is the rule....

Now he wants to affect the draft he might wanna get a DUI slap his girlfriend get caught smoking weed with a gun driving 100 miles an hour and maybe his draft stock will slip but that's it that's his only shot go to whoever drafts you because eventually you're gonna be playing on a bad team that's what getting picked in the top ten of the draft typically means not always but typically the better teams typically do not have the draft capital to move up 20 spots to go get you you might end up with a Trey Lance he ain't no guarantee lock in the NFL as none of them really are
I didn't say the Cowboys were going to be picking middle of the first round. He didn't only mention the Cowboys. Regardless, my point was that he doesn't have the control his comment suggested
 

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What does that have ANYTHING to do with whether Williams is going to be the same? Nothing is the answer. Absolutely nothing except maybe to misguided fans.
Never seen anyone on this board who looks for something to complain about more than you. No one knows if he’s going to be the same. If he becomes an elite NFL QB he’ll be the only one from USC.
 

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Has anyone found the actual source? im not seeing this anywhere else but that random tweet.



Really? What about his game do you question?

I generally dont get enamored by college QBs but I have to admit this kid looks like the real deal. He just needs some harnessing/coaching to not freelance so much.
The vast majority of first-round QBs lately are complete busts. He struggled often at OU.

Things are much easier against soft west-coast teams.

The NFL is mostly SEC type players.
 

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Never seen anyone on this board who looks for something to complain about more than you. No one knows if he’s going to be the same. If he becomes an elite NFL QB he’ll be the only one from USC.
Kettle
 

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Ok, can someone explain what exactly his play is here please? I think Klingsbury has said that he is further along than Mahomes was at the same stage. I would love to have this kid.
Dude seriously? :facepalm: :popcorn:

first of all he's not coming here,​
So you might want to switch to the next team that he goes to and good luck with all that....truly luck,​
because you know how many lock top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL draft have been absolutely bust or average or below average?? they're more like backups that's the odds probably one in 10 that you're going to get a good quarterback you're going to trust his coaches and what you think you're seeing on the field and then when they come here and you're going to find out that either the team they get to doesn't create an offense or have the skill set around them to succeed. he's going to get lost in the mix is very very likely....​
Justin fields comes to mind... And think about this and I'm not just saying this because I hate the Eagles, if the Eagles did not go out and put together the best offensive line in football and put A.J. Brown with DeVante Smith and Dallas Goddard and go all in Jalen hurts, hes just Justin fields.. Yes, I said it because we watched his first two years in this league and jalen hurts what it ended up like kyler Murray solid but inconsistent because of the teams they landed on in the skills around them at other positions especially the offensive line and the offensive coordinator..​

Patrick Mahomes was nowhere in anybody's radar that he would be this good, nobody's, he was slipped to what 15th? I mean he was looked at as very good but probably a project you know nobody thought this was going to happen, but he landed in the absolute perfect situation with Andy Reid and that offense was tailored for him that does not happen very often...

I mean you got guys like Trey Lance and Kyler Murray and I mean even Baker Mayfield none of these dudes those are ones that are still around but they're bus over and over and over when are you guys going to learn don't believe the hype wait till they get to the NFL and let's see what they do but acting like you covered this guy what we should give up the draft like New Orleans did with Ricky Williams just mortgage the next two drafts to get this guy are you really that on this guy, put up your house LOL?
 

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Never seen anyone on this board who looks for something to complain about more than you. No one knows if he’s going to be the same. If he becomes an elite NFL QB he’ll be the only one from USC.
And I used to get involved with those type of debates about schools and being careful of who you take from my school because the positions in the past have it worked out and if you really look at quarterbacks truly most of them don't workout it doesn't matter what school they went to and now with the transfer protocol how many have they really went to which school do you peg on them I mean they're actually a guy from a few schools that don't usually put out good quarterbacks ended up with Alabama ended up winning the Heisman and then ended up in an NFL well did they really come from Alabama I mean it's the first school they went to was Ohio State or Texas Tech or wherever where those schools usually say be careful but they ended up with Alabama at the end got their Heisman then went into the NFL but really you should give the credit to Ohio State you know like Joe Burrows I mean truly he went to Ohio State first right then he went to LSU I mean how many get quarterbacks is LSU usually put out but technically isn't that Ohio State but how many good quarterbacks does Ohio State put out I mean I think it's a silly debate nowadays because first they don't stay in school long enough you have the transfer portal where it's everyone seems to be taking advantage of and these guys are hired guns they're getting paid now but really trying to pick a great quarterback like it's one in 10 it's it's like the odds of winning the lottery literally so many just are not good once they hit the NFL.

The only thing some of these quarterbacks have going for them nowadays is a lot of these teams have created more of a college offense for them and are willing to create an offense to help them out but it's still not helping everyone out.. It's so tough to find your elite generational quarterback no matter where you pick in the draft nowadays let alone wasting picks like they did with Trey Lance and all the guys at the top like Baker Mayfield that didn't turn out to be who they hoped they would be.. And we sit here and complain about our quarterback but at least we got him in the fourth round and he is a top ten guy regardless if he's not elite these guys are hard to find even like our guy which I'm not going to mention his name I'm just saying everyone's drooling over some of these guys it happens every year and most of them don't work out..
 

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Patrick Mahomes was nowhere in anybody's radar that he would be this good, nobody's, he was slipped to what 15th? I mean he was looked at as very good but probably a project you know nobody thought this was going to happen, but he landed in the absolute perfect situation with Andy Reid and that offense was tailored for him that does not happen very often...
Kansas City traded up to number 10 to draft Mahomes. The trade up surprised everyone, many thought it was a reach. No one could’ve ever imagined Mahomes would be as good as he is. Mitch Trubisky was taken eight spots higher.
 

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Kansas City traded up to number 10 to draft Mahomes. The trade up surprised everyone, many thought it was a reach. No one could’ve ever imagined Mahomes would be as good as he is. Mitch Trubisky was taken eight spots higher.
OK well I remembered he was maybe supposed to go to 15 and that's why Kansas City made the move to jump over whoever was gonna pick him and that's the trade partner they found but either way let's not think Mr. whiskey is the only one I mean it would take me over an hour to go back the last five drafts and find all the actual disappointments at quarterbacks taking in the top first round.. So as much as people are drooling over Caleb Williams he could just be another kyler Murray or worse....
 

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He’s the best QB prospect to enter the draft probably ever.
That’s debatable considering Payton Manning and Andrew Luck but he is at least in the conversation, sure.

I’m actually happy that college athletes are getting compensated, and I’m not aware of any specifics, but if things are to the point where he can make MORE money staying in school than as the top pick in the NFL draft, things seem a bit out of line.

The problem with his plan…obviously injury but I’m sure his is fully insured….but what if one of his five teams doesn’t end up with the first pick after next season either? Can’t go back to college forever.
 

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Somewhat...Elway had the Yankees to fall back on, and he still wasn't able to determine who he got traded to, he just refused to play for the Colts. Same for Manning, minus the baseball thing.
Manning and Elway both had to approve of the team they were traded to, otherwise the Giants and Broncos would have never made the deal.
 
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